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On March 14 2012 18:50 daemir wrote:
The acting in the football scene is like totally retarded. Those people should be in theaters, not on the field.
It's logical though. With the amounts of money these guys deal with, it isn't surprising that they would do ANYTHING to win.
EDIT: This is a good video starring chauster. Hard to say if he's right or wrong, but I like this mindset which is similar to mine. I get so frustrated with the "metagame" sometimes >.<
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On March 14 2012 19:17 Treadmill wrote:
But European teams don't practice better than NA teams. There's this mystique about euro teams that somehow developed - even before Moscow 5 came along, when European teams were losing to NA teams pretty much every tournament. But they're just as likely to troll and practice badly and shit-talk in Europe as in NA. People see TSM, who're in this completely garbage place as a team, and extrapolate to all NA - but again, they're an outlier.
I'd wager this has much to do with the fact that if an EU team wants to prac 5s, they can just queue up ladder 5s because it's a bit more serious than in NA, as in the other top teams are probably queueing as well. So practice is a bit easier to come by for EU teams and it's less streamed solo Q.
But like say Dignitas isn't very open how they practice, so saying if they practice well or not is impossible for the general public to tell.
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On March 14 2012 19:58 kuresuti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 18:50 daemir wrote:
The acting in the football scene is like totally retarded. Those people should be in theaters, not on the field. It's logical though. With the amounts of money these guys deal with, it isn't surprising that they would do ANYTHING to win.
I think it's actually mostly because of the terrible referee system. Only one referee can't see anything and if a dude commits a foul he's usually not going to even see it unless he does a theatretical fall. I imagine if the fouls actually got noticed every time they happened without acting the acting wouldn't be so common, but you need it to get justice. Then it gets abused of course but.
Oh yeah and yeah, LoL practice system is far behind the likes of DotA of course and the general skill of the players is also far behind it as well, however I think it'll get better as soon as some people actually show others how it's done(Maybe it's M5?) and then the general quality of the games should skyrocket.
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On March 14 2012 15:06 robertdinh wrote:
These are pathetic human beings that have no real respect for esports.
This phrase makes you sound infinitely more pathetic than them though.
EDIT : shit, forgot to F5. 2 pages behind !
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Tsm needs to change leader , reginald might be still a good player but as leader hes underperfoming and i dont think the team is taking him seriously
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On March 14 2012 20:49 topoulo wrote:
Tsm needs to change leader , reginald might be still a good player but as leader hes underperfoming and i dont think the team is taking him seriously
I'd say give TSM a little bit of time still. Embarrassment is a powerful motivator, and I think they felt truly embarrassed with their performance in Hannover; they legitimately have a team of people that at some point in time have been the best in the world at their position, I wouldn't count out the possibility that they can get back there again with Reginald still leading the team.
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On March 14 2012 18:48 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 18:47 jadoth wrote:On March 14 2012 18:34 JackDino wrote: it's just amazing a player can just immediately adapt and go with it and in the end still carry It's not really amazing, if you go to a tourney you should go to win, if 1 shitty thing happens and you give up you're not doing it right. i dont know i think a lot of pro soccer players would have a hard time getting their head back in the game after an own goal Soccer players are a bunch of pussies who pull eachothers shirts and fall down when someone touches them though.
You know nothing about football [/b], players who score own goal often scores after. It's real moral booster most of the time.
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On March 14 2012 19:58 kuresuti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 18:50 daemir wrote:
The acting in the football scene is like totally retarded. Those people should be in theaters, not on the field. It's logical though. With the amounts of money these guys deal with, it isn't surprising that they would do ANYTHING to win. EDIT: This is a good video starring chauster. Hard to say if he's right or wrong, but I like this mindset which is similar to mine. I get so frustrated with the "metagame" sometimes >.<
thats because noone in the lol scene uses the word correctly
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320609
Oh gawd, it's happening again. We so bad for playing such an easy game. =(
Edit: Wow, after actually reading most of those pages I gotta say it's worse than I thought.
@Neo: I'm cool with people not liking a game. But I don't know, the senseless bashing is really annoying.
Stuff like this reminds me of 4chan, not of TL:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors On March 14 2012 20:06 CNLL wrote:
Guess money buys everything. They turned a pretty awful game in the number #1 esport game, so yea, sad. On March 14 2012 20:09 MethodSC wrote:
It truly is the age of casuals... =/
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Huh, Hotshot's going to appear on "I'm the Carry" with Kim Carrier.
Will make for some lol moments.
Source: on OGN stream during proleague.
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Not really sure what swapping TRM to Dyrus is in TSM's mind planning to accomplish. Dyrus plays a very farm heavy, passive top as well, maybe he loses the lane less, maybe not. But replacing one farmer with another is not gonna solve the jungle+mid problem.
Hope they are actually talking about that instead of just trying to bandaid the team with Dyrus. And god how this fks up Epik for IPL4 :\
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On March 14 2012 21:30 r.Evo wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320609Oh gawd, it's happening again. We so bad for playing such an easy game. =( Edit: Wow, after actually reading most of those pages I gotta say it's worse than I thought. @Neo: I'm cool with people not liking a game. But I don't know, the senseless bashing is really annoying. Stuff like this reminds me of 4chan, not of TL: + Show Spoiler +On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors On March 14 2012 20:06 CNLL wrote:
Guess money buys everything. They turned a pretty awful game in the number #1 esport game, so yea, sad. On March 14 2012 20:09 MethodSC wrote:
It truly is the age of casuals... =/
I blame SC2. TL was never like this before the huge influx of players after SC2 was released.
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On March 14 2012 21:30 r.Evo wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320609Oh gawd, it's happening again. We so bad for playing such an easy game. =( Edit: Wow, after actually reading most of those pages I gotta say it's worse than I thought. @Neo: I'm cool with people not liking a game. But I don't know, the senseless bashing is really annoying. Stuff like this reminds me of 4chan, not of TL: + Show Spoiler +On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors On March 14 2012 20:06 CNLL wrote:
Guess money buys everything. They turned a pretty awful game in the number #1 esport game, so yea, sad. On March 14 2012 20:09 MethodSC wrote:
It truly is the age of casuals... =/
What cracks me up is that most of the time are these people are casual dota/hon/dota2 players who are awful at the game.
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Guys- quick note- drop the talk about evo's link. Neo will be pissed when he sees it. I nearly got a warning for doing exactly that. We arent supposed to link stuff like that.
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I'm afraid I'll net myself warnings or bans if I keep reading that topic. Then again a temp ban might not be so bad, would save me from reading it more!
Has there been any official word about that Wick/Snoopeh smurfing in some tournament game? Kinda low to do it, were they like super drunk at Take's house while doing it or was it just the female persuasion?
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On March 14 2012 21:49 Two_DoWn wrote:
Guys- quick note- drop the talk about evo's link. Neo will be pissed when he sees it. I nearly got a warning for doing exactly that. We arent supposed to link stuff like that.
Welp, sorry. Didn't know that. I'll leave it unedited since people quoted it already anyway.
Next time I'll just PM/use report functions more.
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Just do your best to ignore the haters, at least in this topic/subforum.
If you must, go say your piece in that thread.
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On March 14 2012 08:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
A good portion of teamfighting is character and role specific.
At its most basic, speaking in VAST generalizations-
Ad carry should be hitting whatever is closest (actually not a generalization, just a truth)
Jungle and Top lane should each be diving through toward the enemy carries. Which you it is a bit interesting- I tend to go in the order of: Gib burst caster (if combo is still up)>sustained caster/ad carry (priority at whoever hurts more)>burst caster with combo down.
Support wants to be with the ad either protecting or peeling, or just generally making it hard for the enemy team to do what they want to do.
Ap carry wants to either A) drop their burst on as many people as possible (if burst caster) or B) hit whoever is closest (sustained damage) (again, not really a generalization, pretty much the truth).
Obviously that will differ for some champions in each role, or if the game situation calls for something different, but that is generally the way you want to go about fighting.
Ranged ADs should hit the highest priority (combination of threat, squishiness, oracles, and so on) target in range while staying away from the most dangerous enemies. If the enemy Alistar just used his combo and now is in your face doing nothing, but the enemy AP is in range, you hit the AP. While retreating if necessary of course. That's already more complex than what you suggested, yet ranged AD teamfighting is pretty much as simple as it gets...
Sometimes the top and/or jungle should be focusing the same target as the ranged DPS (both physical/magic). Actually this happens quite often, especially if your ranged DPS is doing well and you rely on him a fair amount. If the top/jungle has fallen behind for some reason, diving often isn't a good idea either. Same if the enemy team is better at kiting the top/jungle than your team.
See, it's not really possible to give good general guidelines. Which is why I'd suggest an example based approach. Analysing a situation and coming to a good solution is what you really need as a skill for LoL teamfighting. The ridiculously large number of possible 5v5 situations pretty much forces you to come up with a proper plan as the game is going on. Examples teach people how to do exactly that.
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Also I'm just curios by what Yango and others think the new gold standard for practice should be.
Personally, I feel as though the actual practice time and methods that the current teams use are fine- a lot of solo q and semifrequent scrims. The problem gets to be wether or not they are actually taking the entirety of that time seriously, or actually trying to see if new stuff works.
But Solo q offers something that (to my understanding) dota never had- the ability to just jump in a game where everyone is on the same level and not have to worry about trying to get a full 5 people to play games.
Not to mention that 90% of what you need in a tournament game of lol you can learn in solo q- builds, matchups, what to do when, ect. Solo q is the best way to learn new champions, for example. The only thing that scrims have the advantage in is that you get to practice team communication. But you cant exactly try new champions out for the first time in a scrim- you risk ruining valuable practice time for 9 other people. Solo q gives the foundation you need to build up to the point you can try running stuff in arranged 5s.
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theres nothing wrong with solo queue to practice things about how you play, how you time out jungle minions, last hitting, timing out summoner spells. but the pros dont actually do that. they just go in to solo queue, pick a random hero and then derp around for 25 minutes.
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