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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 11 2012 20:27 GMT
#2201
Well, I imagnie, think about a shaco ult with 5 clones..
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 11 2012 20:27 GMT
#2202
On March 12 2012 05:26 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 05:24 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:19 iCanada wrote:
Spectre basically the same hero as Nocturne. Both ghosty types that are super good at dueling (Spectre because he so tanky (has flat damage reduction that is reflected as a skill), Nocturne because he just out damages things) both have global ult that lets you see your enemies and teleport to them. The both also stupidly good early-mid game, but kind of fall off late game. Very similar heroes.

What? Lol.

Spectre has almost zero early-midgame presence beyond when her ult is off CD, but is one of the strongest lategame carries in DotA.


Forgive me, I havn't played DotA in years.

<_<

I remember Spectre as more of a "semi-carry" who fell off late game compared to say, a faceless void.

Well she did get remade like 2-3 times, so I guess that's fair.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 11 2012 20:36 GMT
#2203
On March 12 2012 05:27 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 05:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:24 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:19 iCanada wrote:
Spectre basically the same hero as Nocturne. Both ghosty types that are super good at dueling (Spectre because he so tanky (has flat damage reduction that is reflected as a skill), Nocturne because he just out damages things) both have global ult that lets you see your enemies and teleport to them. The both also stupidly good early-mid game, but kind of fall off late game. Very similar heroes.

What? Lol.

Spectre has almost zero early-midgame presence beyond when her ult is off CD, but is one of the strongest lategame carries in DotA.


Forgive me, I havn't played DotA in years.

<_<

I remember Spectre as more of a "semi-carry" who fell off late game compared to say, a faceless void.

Well she did get remade like 2-3 times, so I guess that's fair.


Speaking of Faceless, he still like the stupidest champion ever? I swear to god FV is like the definition of anti-fun. "Alright lets focus the FV! Oh, he ult and now kill our whole team before we unstunned... I like this game..."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 11 2012 20:40 GMT
#2204
On March 12 2012 05:36 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 05:27 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:24 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:19 iCanada wrote:
Spectre basically the same hero as Nocturne. Both ghosty types that are super good at dueling (Spectre because he so tanky (has flat damage reduction that is reflected as a skill), Nocturne because he just out damages things) both have global ult that lets you see your enemies and teleport to them. The both also stupidly good early-mid game, but kind of fall off late game. Very similar heroes.

What? Lol.

Spectre has almost zero early-midgame presence beyond when her ult is off CD, but is one of the strongest lategame carries in DotA.


Forgive me, I havn't played DotA in years.

<_<

I remember Spectre as more of a "semi-carry" who fell off late game compared to say, a faceless void.

Well she did get remade like 2-3 times, so I guess that's fair.


Speaking of Faceless, he still like the stupidest champion ever? I swear to god FV is like the definition of anti-fun. "Alright lets focus the FV! Oh, he ult and now kill our whole team before we unstunned... I like this game..."

http://www.playdota.com/heroes/faceless-void

Yes but it really isn't enough time to kill your whole team, barely one person if he's even slightly tanky
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 11 2012 20:53 GMT
#2205
On March 12 2012 05:36 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 05:27 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:24 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:19 iCanada wrote:
Spectre basically the same hero as Nocturne. Both ghosty types that are super good at dueling (Spectre because he so tanky (has flat damage reduction that is reflected as a skill), Nocturne because he just out damages things) both have global ult that lets you see your enemies and teleport to them. The both also stupidly good early-mid game, but kind of fall off late game. Very similar heroes.

What? Lol.

Spectre has almost zero early-midgame presence beyond when her ult is off CD, but is one of the strongest lategame carries in DotA.


Forgive me, I havn't played DotA in years.

<_<

I remember Spectre as more of a "semi-carry" who fell off late game compared to say, a faceless void.

Well she did get remade like 2-3 times, so I guess that's fair.


Speaking of Faceless, he still like the stupidest champion ever? I swear to god FV is like the definition of anti-fun. "Alright lets focus the FV! Oh, he ult and now kill our whole team before we unstunned... I like this game..."


You played a lot of -em pubs I'm guessing?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 11 2012 21:03 GMT
#2206
I also remember Spectre's dagger allowing her to pass through terrain, allowing easier escapes/chases. I liked her. Also Drow Ranger (non-targetable AoE silence o/) despite a lackluster ult (OHKO %chance on creeps), Windrunner, Keeper of the Light and Night Haunter (Hunter?).

LoL needs more silences.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 11 2012 21:11 GMT
#2207
Not to curb the discussion or anything, but don't we have a thread for this DotA stuff??
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 11 2012 21:17 GMT
#2208
On March 12 2012 05:40 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 05:36 iCanada wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:27 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:24 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 05:19 iCanada wrote:
Spectre basically the same hero as Nocturne. Both ghosty types that are super good at dueling (Spectre because he so tanky (has flat damage reduction that is reflected as a skill), Nocturne because he just out damages things) both have global ult that lets you see your enemies and teleport to them. The both also stupidly good early-mid game, but kind of fall off late game. Very similar heroes.

What? Lol.

Spectre has almost zero early-midgame presence beyond when her ult is off CD, but is one of the strongest lategame carries in DotA.


Forgive me, I havn't played DotA in years.

<_<

I remember Spectre as more of a "semi-carry" who fell off late game compared to say, a faceless void.

Well she did get remade like 2-3 times, so I guess that's fair.


Speaking of Faceless, he still like the stupidest champion ever? I swear to god FV is like the definition of anti-fun. "Alright lets focus the FV! Oh, he ult and now kill our whole team before we unstunned... I like this game..."

http://www.playdota.com/heroes/faceless-void

Yes but it really isn't enough time to kill your whole team, barely one person if he's even slightly tanky

its plenty of time to kill the 2 biggest threats on the enemy team/highest damage dealers
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 11 2012 21:29 GMT
#2209
What's the hero in DoTA that spawns minions for himself? He's like a dragon.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 21:34:12
March 11 2012 21:30 GMT
#2210
On March 12 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
its plenty of time to kill the 2 biggest threats on the enemy team/highest damage dealers

Not unless you're vastly more fed than they are.

Remember that carries in DotA typically are not glass cannons. Most of the reasonable damage/utility items for carries give them quite a healthy chunk of survivability. Carries will generally typically be on the high end of the survivability spectrum. They're probably not tankier than tanky gankers/initiators, but they're usually tankier than everyone else.

The heroes that you're actually most likely to kill reliably within the span of a Faceless ult are the supports.

On March 12 2012 06:29 Zhiroo wrote:
What's the hero in DoTA that spawns minions for himself? He's like a dragon.

There are a bunch of heroes that can summon units lol.
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 11 2012 21:36 GMT
#2211
On March 12 2012 06:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
its plenty of time to kill the 2 biggest threats on the enemy team/highest damage dealers

Not unless you're vastly more fed than they are.

Remember that carries in DotA typically are not glass cannons. Most of the reasonable damage/utility items for carries give them quite a healthy chunk of survivability. Carries will generally typically be on the high end of the survivability spectrum. They're probably not tankier than tanky gankers/initiators, but they're usually tankier than everyone else.

The heroes that you're actually most likely to kill reliably within the span of a Faceless ult are the supports.

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 06:29 Zhiroo wrote:
What's the hero in DoTA that spawns minions for himself? He's like a dragon.

There are a bunch of heroes that can summon units lol.


I watched a bit of DotA 2 the last few days with the PlayDota stream on Own3d.tv, and that's one thing that really stands out to me. The carries can generally take a huge amount of damage before they go down. That and BKB is like QSS on steroids.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
March 11 2012 21:41 GMT
#2212
Chaox playing urgot on his stream. I guess getting raped that hard forces you to open your mind to other possibilities.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 11 2012 21:42 GMT
#2213
On March 12 2012 06:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Chaox playing urgot on his stream. I guess getting raped that hard forces you to open your mind to other possibilities.


Fk it, Baylife.
Hey! How you doin'?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 21:50:52
March 11 2012 21:43 GMT
#2214
On March 12 2012 06:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
its plenty of time to kill the 2 biggest threats on the enemy team/highest damage dealers

Not unless you're vastly more fed than they are.

Remember that carries in DotA typically are not glass cannons. Most of the reasonable damage/utility items for carries give them quite a healthy chunk of survivability. Carries will generally typically be on the high end of the survivability spectrum. They're probably not tankier than tanky gankers/initiators, but they're usually tankier than everyone else.

The heroes that you're actually most likely to kill reliably within the span of a Faceless ult are the supports.

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 06:29 Zhiroo wrote:
What's the hero in DoTA that spawns minions for himself? He's like a dragon.

There are a bunch of heroes that can summon units lol.


See, maybe I was just really really bad at DotA. Haha.

I just remember hating FV.... and playing Meepo and wrecking everything with Poof. <3 Best part was everyone thought he was really really bad, and he got buffed like ridiculously. I dunno why people thought he bad, like perma disable and stupid amount of AoE damage. Probably because he was just super hard to play.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
March 11 2012 21:43 GMT
#2215
Umm isn't it the time to patch the game? I might be missing something but there should be a champ sneak peek at least at this moment?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 21:45:36
March 11 2012 21:44 GMT
#2216
On March 12 2012 06:43 BluzMan wrote:
Umm isn't it the time to patch the game? I might be missing something but there should be a champ sneak peek at least at this moment?

Next champs were delayed.
Why aren't there any ad/crit items other than atmas and ie, there should be some more.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
March 11 2012 21:45 GMT
#2217
On March 12 2012 06:43 BluzMan wrote:
Umm isn't it the time to patch the game? I might be missing something but there should be a champ sneak peek at least at this moment?

Patch is delayed
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 11 2012 21:47 GMT
#2218
On March 12 2012 06:44 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 06:43 BluzMan wrote:
Umm isn't it the time to patch the game? I might be missing something but there should be a champ sneak peek at least at this moment?

Next champs were delayed.
Why aren't there any ad/crit items other than atmas and ie, there should be some more.

What other stats would you put on them though. Crit and Ad scale really really well together, hence the fact the only real way to get them is on the most expensive right click item in the game.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 11 2012 21:49 GMT
#2219
On March 12 2012 06:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 06:44 JackDino wrote:
On March 12 2012 06:43 BluzMan wrote:
Umm isn't it the time to patch the game? I might be missing something but there should be a champ sneak peek at least at this moment?

Next champs were delayed.
Why aren't there any ad/crit items other than atmas and ie, there should be some more.

What other stats would you put on them though. Crit and Ad scale really really well together, hence the fact the only real way to get them is on the most expensive right click item in the game.


A crit/ad/lifesteal item would be great.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 21:53:45
March 11 2012 21:52 GMT
#2220
IMO if they're going to add new items, they need new unique passive/active effects.

Adding different stat combinations just isn't going to accomplish that much.

Does anyone know why none of the active items in LoL have activation costs, and are only cooldown-limited?
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