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The Champions Feedback Thread

General Warning: Do not caster bash in this thread. If there's something specific you don't like about OGN's casting, use the Feedback thread above for constructive criticism. Otherwise, don't comment about it.
~ Neo, 30.03.12, 20:25 KST
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 01 2012 15:56 GMT
#1901
On April 02 2012 00:50 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 00:49 Slayer91 wrote:
I thought he was captain jack dino.

That's racism man! But is he? Curious how high the chances are of fnatic getting stomped really hard.

MiG Blaze are probably one of the top 3 Korean teams along with MiG Frost. They're probably the favourites to make it out as Seed 1 in their group.

As for the second seed, it's hard to say. Fnatic have been off the radar for a bit, but somehow have the ability to pull off shenanigans sometimes. The thing is, as I mentioned earlier, they're not just up against Startale for the second seed. They're up against Startale, and everyone else Startale plans with (most likely Xenics, since Startale helped Xenics against CLG). If Fnatic haven't been training on the Korea server and learning the Korean "meta" (while I dislike this word, there is a noticable difference with how Korean teams play compared to EU/NA) they are probably going to be in for a big shock.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 22:30:51
April 02 2012 22:29 GMT
#1902
Edit.

NVM,
Freeeeeeedom
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
April 02 2012 22:46 GMT
#1903
MiG blaze and frost are same sponsor?
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
April 02 2012 23:06 GMT
#1904
On April 03 2012 07:46 nosliw wrote:
MiG blaze and frost are same sponsor?


Yup. Blaze is their B team while Frost is the A team.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Hemes
Profile Joined November 2011
Taiwan31 Posts
April 03 2012 05:33 GMT
#1905
Where can i find Korea Server Rank List?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 03 2012 06:05 GMT
#1906
Korean are serious about LoL, many pro-houses will take up LoL team. Some already did now are setting up B team as well. I can see them surpass NA/EU within a year or so.
Terran
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:20:32
April 03 2012 06:18 GMT
#1907
Well there has been talk in the past about a possible TSM/CLG house merger and was supposedly offered by IGN. CLG was not ready to do something like that at the moment and even though they are in a gaming house now it's still just a temporary house and different from having a two team house.

Kind of curious how the B team and A team system works in MiG. Do they compete to decide which is the A team or trade players? In starcraft players could be demoted to B team based on performance, but for two LoL groups on the same team it would just be switching things around.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
April 03 2012 06:57 GMT
#1908
There are many reasons a true CLG gaming house will never happen.... but they are behind closed doors.
True skill comes without effort.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 03 2012 06:59 GMT
#1909
On April 03 2012 15:57 robertdinh wrote:
There are many reasons a true CLG gaming house will never happen.... but they are behind closed doors.

its cuz hotshot is a psycopath right
GANDHISAUCE
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 03 2012 07:12 GMT
#1910
On April 03 2012 15:18 BlackMagister wrote:
Well there has been talk in the past about a possible TSM/CLG house merger and was supposedly offered by IGN. CLG was not ready to do something like that at the moment and even though they are in a gaming house now it's still just a temporary house and different from having a two team house.

Kind of curious how the B team and A team system works in MiG. Do they compete to decide which is the A team or trade players? In starcraft players could be demoted to B team based on performance, but for two LoL groups on the same team it would just be switching things around.

I think its not the same as in SC. Both A and B team will participate in many event as possible but ofc the priority is for A team to attend the most. Then they will switch members around if that is needed, but as a team game that is not an easy thing to do.
With 2 teams there are many advantages, they can practice all day long and nobody knows what they are up to which will bring surprise stats in tourney. It also boost the competive level within the team, motivate the player. I really don't like the stream all day long practice of western team. You don't gain shit when playing soloQ.
Terran
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
April 03 2012 08:48 GMT
#1911
On April 03 2012 16:12 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:18 BlackMagister wrote:
Well there has been talk in the past about a possible TSM/CLG house merger and was supposedly offered by IGN. CLG was not ready to do something like that at the moment and even though they are in a gaming house now it's still just a temporary house and different from having a two team house.

Kind of curious how the B team and A team system works in MiG. Do they compete to decide which is the A team or trade players? In starcraft players could be demoted to B team based on performance, but for two LoL groups on the same team it would just be switching things around.

I think its not the same as in SC. Both A and B team will participate in many event as possible but ofc the priority is for A team to attend the most. Then they will switch members around if that is needed, but as a team game that is not an easy thing to do.
With 2 teams there are many advantages, they can practice all day long and nobody knows what they are up to which will bring surprise stats in tourney. It also boost the competive level within the team, motivate the player. I really don't like the stream all day long practice of western team. You don't gain shit when playing soloQ.

To be honest I think that all the gaming house stuff is not working atm for any of the western teams. Neither in SC2 or LoL. EG hasn't really improved in performance for example. They are still strong by the virtue of having strong players, but they are not suddenly dominating the western scene. The same goes for TSM. They have a gaming house and they are not improving significantly over teams without one.
I don't know why they work better in Korea. Maybe it is because the general attitude is better when it comes to hard practice. Or maybe you need strong coaches that motivate and drive the players to improve. It's obvious though that sticking 5 people into the same house does not make them better players.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 03 2012 11:29 GMT
#1912
On April 03 2012 17:48 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 16:12 Caphe wrote:
On April 03 2012 15:18 BlackMagister wrote:
Well there has been talk in the past about a possible TSM/CLG house merger and was supposedly offered by IGN. CLG was not ready to do something like that at the moment and even though they are in a gaming house now it's still just a temporary house and different from having a two team house.

Kind of curious how the B team and A team system works in MiG. Do they compete to decide which is the A team or trade players? In starcraft players could be demoted to B team based on performance, but for two LoL groups on the same team it would just be switching things around.

I think its not the same as in SC. Both A and B team will participate in many event as possible but ofc the priority is for A team to attend the most. Then they will switch members around if that is needed, but as a team game that is not an easy thing to do.
With 2 teams there are many advantages, they can practice all day long and nobody knows what they are up to which will bring surprise stats in tourney. It also boost the competive level within the team, motivate the player. I really don't like the stream all day long practice of western team. You don't gain shit when playing soloQ.

To be honest I think that all the gaming house stuff is not working atm for any of the western teams. Neither in SC2 or LoL. EG hasn't really improved in performance for example. They are still strong by the virtue of having strong players, but they are not suddenly dominating the western scene. The same goes for TSM. They have a gaming house and they are not improving significantly over teams without one.
I don't know why they work better in Korea. Maybe it is because the general attitude is better when it comes to hard practice. Or maybe you need strong coaches that motivate and drive the players to improve. It's obvious though that sticking 5 people into the same house does not make them better players.


Practice alone doesn't improve play. You have to be practicing the right way in order to actually improve. I assume western teams don't really change the way they practice when they go into these gaming houses were as Koreans have the practice structure in place so it has a noticeable impact on their play.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
April 03 2012 11:30 GMT
#1913
Its definitely the lack of experiance with teamhouses/coaches.

TSM for example while they have a teamhouse there pcs are as far as ive been able to tell not even in the same room. Why have a teamhouse when your not going to put all 5 pcs next to eachother so you can talk while your playing. Add to that most of the time just spend in solo Q and something that can only be described as a relaxed training schedule and any improvement will be minimal.

Additionaly putting a team in one house also gives a greater chance of personalities clashing. Teams like CLG and TSM have some big ego players and without a coach to manage it you can have a good chance of bad influences.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 03 2012 13:17 GMT
#1914
Eh that might true of the TSM a month ago, but they have a coach now and a new mind set that is specifically meant to address this problem. Coach to mediate arguments and they are supposedly setting aside time to theory craft as a group. TSM does play solo Q but a lot less than they used to and they supposedly get even more serious now that a major tournament is coming up by not streaming all together in preparation for the big tournament (so you wouldn't see any TSM streams until after IPL except for a few solo Q games).

I also don't really get why having the PCs all in the same room matters when they have team speak.
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
April 04 2012 08:27 GMT
#1915
If Team OP doesn't win today, I'll be highly disappointed
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 04 2012 09:59 GMT
#1916
On April 03 2012 22:17 BlackMagister wrote:
Eh that might true of the TSM a month ago, but they have a coach now and a new mind set that is specifically meant to address this problem. Coach to mediate arguments and they are supposedly setting aside time to theory craft as a group. TSM does play solo Q but a lot less than they used to and they supposedly get even more serious now that a major tournament is coming up by not streaming all together in preparation for the big tournament (so you wouldn't see any TSM streams until after IPL except for a few solo Q games).

I also don't really get why having the PCs all in the same room matters when they have team speak.

Thats true with TSM, they are getting better now as they change their approach and actually taking feedback from the community.

But I don't agree with you on the Teamspeak thing. While TS/Vent/Skype can let you hear and say as you are next to each other but its still doesn't have the human effect on it. With 5 PCs in the same room you have several advantages.
First of all, you will have a setup that similar to big offline tourney which I think helps you somehow if you are used to it. Than I think you have a better team chemistry when sitting next to each other. You can watch/discuss shits as a group right after you done playing some games etc.
Terran
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 10:21:01
April 04 2012 10:20 GMT
#1917
Wow, it's in 1 hour? Did it get changed? Did something happen with daylight saving time? I was certain it was starting now .-.

Either way, predictio... wait, I have never heard of any of these teams >_< I guess e-mfire was decent? Oh and team OP actually seems familiar.

So perhaps OP and e-mfire to face in the finals?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
April 04 2012 10:25 GMT
#1918
I feel like TSM's coach is more like a common sense coach. But TSM has been struggling lately and dyrus' flaws as a player are being brought to light now that he scrims a lot, vs good teams.
True skill comes without effort.
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
April 04 2012 10:40 GMT
#1919
Streams up, Team OP v Super Star first up

Team OP has Cornsalad and a Lilac :O
Veni, vidi, vici!
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3050 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 10:40:54
April 04 2012 10:40 GMT
#1920
Will emfire and NEB take place at the same time as Team OP vs Superstar? :s
e: actually nvm, something tells me they do not lol
End my suffering
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