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The Champions Feedback Thread

General Warning: Do not caster bash in this thread. If there's something specific you don't like about OGN's casting, use the Feedback thread above for constructive criticism. Otherwise, don't comment about it.
~ Neo, 30.03.12, 20:25 KST
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
March 30 2012 13:44 GMT
#1861
On March 30 2012 22:34 Bwaaaa wrote:
nice clean 2 wins from clg. It looks like they are back on from their slump from traveling/getting sick.


We should not forget that Storm was/is a different calibre than XD and NeL. I am not too sure how mich weight I would put into those 2 wins. Nontheless good to see CLG going through (in a somewhat dominating fashion too)
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 30 2012 13:46 GMT
#1862
Last part of the New Era of Legends is upload with subtitles

emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 30 2012 13:52 GMT
#1863
On March 30 2012 22:46 nojitosunrise wrote:
Last part of the New Era of Legends is upload with subtitles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-xtzzVsKww

LOL XS trolled yellow so hard
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
March 30 2012 14:05 GMT
#1864
storms are doomed to 2nd place I don't know how they could expect otherwise
boomer hands
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 30 2012 14:10 GMT
#1865
On March 30 2012 22:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 22:33 BlueFlames wrote:
The people in this thread are really well informed. Gameknowledge and a lot of information about the team. This is so much better than Sc2 LR-threads. And a mod that watches more LoL than me :-)


Welcome to have you around. :3
Hope to see you next Wednesday too.

Neo too good... Don't think he is human. Possibly a prototype AI, programmed by RIOT in their plan to eventually gain world domination.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 30 2012 14:11 GMT
#1866
On March 30 2012 22:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 22:37 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On March 30 2012 22:33 BlueFlames wrote:
The people in this thread are really well informed. Gameknowledge and a lot of information about the team. This is so much better than Sc2 LR-threads. And a mod that watches more LoL than me :-)

There's a reason I bailed from the SC2 LR Threads a long time ago and made my home here. :3

Also, my predictions for next week!

Initial Round
+ Show Spoiler +
Najin e-mfire vs NEB
Team OP vs Super Star


Winner's Round
+ Show Spoiler +
Najin e-mfire v Team OP


Loser's Round
+ Show Spoiler +
NEB v Super Star


Final Round
+ Show Spoiler +
Team OP v NEB


Looking at the rosters...
http://www.ognlol.com/league/team_view/tcode/c02
http://www.ognlol.com/league/team_view/tcode/c04

I don't recognize any of the players, so I'm going to have to predict the same thing.

All the impressive Koreans thus far have been long time players who've made their name on the NA server.
I'm still waiting for that no name Korean to break onto the stage at OGN.

The Other? He even beat Doublelift in minionkills and in all 3 games he played had over 200 minions at 20min botlane...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
March 30 2012 14:18 GMT
#1867
On March 30 2012 23:10 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 22:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
On March 30 2012 22:33 BlueFlames wrote:
The people in this thread are really well informed. Gameknowledge and a lot of information about the team. This is so much better than Sc2 LR-threads. And a mod that watches more LoL than me :-)


Welcome to have you around. :3
Hope to see you next Wednesday too.

Neo too good... Don't think he is human. Possibly a prototype AI, programmed by RIOT in their plan to eventually gain world domination.

People might actually believe you if they didn't go 45/0 in bot games.
boomer hands
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 30 2012 14:23 GMT
#1868
You're laughing now, but once Nasus bot figures out how to continue his Q stacks in different games, the revoulution begins.
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 30 2012 14:38 GMT
#1869
On March 30 2012 23:18 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 23:10 BlueSpace wrote:
On March 30 2012 22:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
On March 30 2012 22:33 BlueFlames wrote:
The people in this thread are really well informed. Gameknowledge and a lot of information about the team. This is so much better than Sc2 LR-threads. And a mod that watches more LoL than me :-)


Welcome to have you around. :3
Hope to see you next Wednesday too.

Neo too good... Don't think he is human. Possibly a prototype AI, programmed by RIOT in their plan to eventually gain world domination.

People might actually believe you if they didn't go 45/0 in bot games.

Or maybe RIOT is trying to lure you into a false sense of security... have you never noticed how the bots sometimes act extra stupid almost as if they are failing on purpose...
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 30 2012 16:41 GMT
#1870
On March 30 2012 23:10 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 22:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
On March 30 2012 22:33 BlueFlames wrote:
The people in this thread are really well informed. Gameknowledge and a lot of information about the team. This is so much better than Sc2 LR-threads. And a mod that watches more LoL than me :-)


Welcome to have you around. :3
Hope to see you next Wednesday too.

Neo too good... Don't think he is human. Possibly a prototype AI, programmed by RIOT in their plan to eventually gain world domination.
He is part of the vast conspiracy which involves TL staff governing all ESPORTS across the globe.
#freeshauni
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 18:02:49
March 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#1871
What are Loco's motivations for helping CLG so much? In a recent Vlog by doublelift they said Loco essentially coached them through the Korean team's strategies and helped fix some of their play. I get that Loco is friends with CLG even helping them set up in Korea, but part of me thinks he wants CLG do to well because they are a popular team and it's good for Korean Esports for them to get at least past the group stages.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
March 30 2012 18:24 GMT
#1872
On March 31 2012 03:02 BlackMagister wrote:
What are Loco's motivations for helping CLG so much? In a recent Vlog by doublelift they said Loco essentially coached them through the Korean team's strategies and helped fix some of their play. I get that Loco is friends with CLG even helping them set up in Korea, but part of me thinks he wants CLG do to well because they are a popular team and it's good for Korean Esports for them to get at least past the group stages.


That second part sounds like it's a bad thing. Some evil thing locodoco is planning. :D I think it's mostly because they are friends, but it's certainly good for esports if the 2 foreign teams do well. Also I think alot of foreigners would stop watching if both clg and natic went out early. Just guessing tho.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 30 2012 18:35 GMT
#1873
On March 31 2012 03:02 BlackMagister wrote:
What are Loco's motivations for helping CLG so much? In a recent Vlog by doublelift they said Loco essentially coached them through the Korean team's strategies and helped fix some of their play. I get that Loco is friends with CLG even helping them set up in Korea, but part of me thinks he wants CLG do to well because they are a popular team and it's good for Korean Esports for them to get at least past the group stages.

Loco saved OGN imho

without CLG the viewership will drop for like 20% for sure
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 18:51:33
March 30 2012 18:49 GMT
#1874
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 19:43:29
March 30 2012 19:43 GMT
#1875
On March 31 2012 03:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.


I'm not sure how CLG should have lost vs XD and NeL, they're both vastly inferior teams (mostly due to being new) I mean they're a clear step down from teams who have an actual chance to win this season. Not saying shit can't go down especially in Bo1 situations, but you're making it sound way closer than it should have been when CLG had #1 or #2 locked up from the get-go. Xenics is an actual contender so sure they can definitely beat CLG if they don't play their best.
Hey! How you doin'?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 30 2012 20:04 GMT
#1876
NeL didn't look that bad.
They're on the level of a MYM, or Sypher-on-a-bad-day, or TSM-when-Regi-flips-his-shit-and-feeds-and-the-rest-does-idiotic-shit

Actually both teams that were knocked out looked relatively solid. Didn't feed too hard, didn't do really retarded stuff.
You gotta keep in mind that they played CLG and Kong Team, who are definetly TOP top teams (Kong Team was not a fluke! I belieeeeeeeve!). And still they put up a good fight (TheOther outfarming everything, etc)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
March 30 2012 20:19 GMT
#1877
On March 31 2012 04:43 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 03:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.


I'm not sure how CLG should have lost vs XD and NeL, they're both vastly inferior teams (mostly due to being new) I mean they're a clear step down from teams who have an actual chance to win this season. Not saying shit can't go down especially in Bo1 situations, but you're making it sound way closer than it should have been when CLG had #1 or #2 locked up from the get-go. Xenics is an actual contender so sure they can definitely beat CLG if they don't play their best.

Just to re-emphasise something from the Xenics interview, they said that they sat down with several other top Korean players including the Startale team, dissected CLG's previous tournament games, and discussed how to create team comps and in-game strategies to beat CLG.

This is pretty typical of the Korean scene, as even in Brood War and SC2 players from different teams will discuss together the best ways to beat certain players. You have to realise, every match CLG will have isn't just playing against 5 Koreans. They're playing against 5 Koreans, and everyone else who sat down with them to plan how to beat CLG.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 30 2012 20:49 GMT
#1878
On March 31 2012 05:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 04:43 Zdrastochye wrote:
On March 31 2012 03:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.


I'm not sure how CLG should have lost vs XD and NeL, they're both vastly inferior teams (mostly due to being new) I mean they're a clear step down from teams who have an actual chance to win this season. Not saying shit can't go down especially in Bo1 situations, but you're making it sound way closer than it should have been when CLG had #1 or #2 locked up from the get-go. Xenics is an actual contender so sure they can definitely beat CLG if they don't play their best.

Just to re-emphasise something from the Xenics interview, they said that they sat down with several other top Korean players including the Startale team, dissected CLG's previous tournament games, and discussed how to create team comps and in-game strategies to beat CLG.

This is pretty typical of the Korean scene, as even in Brood War and SC2 players from different teams will discuss together the best ways to beat certain players. You have to realise, every match CLG will have isn't just playing against 5 Koreans. They're playing against 5 Koreans, and everyone else who sat down with them to plan how to beat CLG.


As I stated, anything can happen in Bo1 situations. In a Bo3 situation, even if CLG gets dissected hard by an inferior team and loses, they're flexible enough to switch gears and play quite different.

I'm laughing still at first ban instaban Nidalee still for HSGG. I wonder how long she'll be instabanned vs CLG for.
Hey! How you doin'?
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
March 30 2012 20:51 GMT
#1879
On March 31 2012 03:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.

Its also a two way street, if I recall correctly Saint gave MiG a lot of advice when they were new. He straight up told their jungler what champs to practice. Having a team that you can count on, and that count on you, seems like a very valuable resource in LoL. Outside perspective is priceless.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 30 2012 21:03 GMT
#1880
On March 31 2012 05:49 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 05:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On March 31 2012 04:43 Zdrastochye wrote:
On March 31 2012 03:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.


I'm not sure how CLG should have lost vs XD and NeL, they're both vastly inferior teams (mostly due to being new) I mean they're a clear step down from teams who have an actual chance to win this season. Not saying shit can't go down especially in Bo1 situations, but you're making it sound way closer than it should have been when CLG had #1 or #2 locked up from the get-go. Xenics is an actual contender so sure they can definitely beat CLG if they don't play their best.

Just to re-emphasise something from the Xenics interview, they said that they sat down with several other top Korean players including the Startale team, dissected CLG's previous tournament games, and discussed how to create team comps and in-game strategies to beat CLG.

This is pretty typical of the Korean scene, as even in Brood War and SC2 players from different teams will discuss together the best ways to beat certain players. You have to realise, every match CLG will have isn't just playing against 5 Koreans. They're playing against 5 Koreans, and everyone else who sat down with them to plan how to beat CLG.


As I stated, anything can happen in Bo1 situations. In a Bo3 situation, even if CLG gets dissected hard by an inferior team and loses, they're flexible enough to switch gears and play quite different.

I'm laughing still at first ban instaban Nidalee still for HSGG. I wonder how long she'll be instabanned vs CLG for.


Could just be bias because I love jiji and Chauster but imo CLG is by far the most adaptable NA team. They're one of the few teams that can successful switch their top and mid players around in lanes and (correct me if I'm wrong) were like the first pro team to run 1v2 lanes bottom with HSGG. They can adapt really fucking fast. I would probably go so far as to say that they adapt better than any team, not just NA ones. But definitely they adapt better than NA teams. Of course, them trying new shit and not just sticking with set strategies could be a factor as to why they derp up so often in tournaments...

On March 31 2012 05:51 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 03:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't think Loco is using the foresight of what will/will not hurt OGN's viewership numbers imo. He's just being a good friend.
In retrospect, had CLG failed to make it out of Group B, a large number of viewers would not tune to The Champions anymore. For me personally, if CLG didn't make it, I wouldn't try as hard to be awake at 4:30 PST to watch these games.

Loco, correct me if I'm wrong. If you are somehow a marketing whiz for Korean ESPORTS, color me impressed..

Edit: Also, to solidify the legitimacy of The Champions, they need a very strong Semifinals and Finals bracket. If MiG makes it to the Finals, they want to have faced the best. No champ wants to hear whispers of nonsense about how if so-and-so made it to the finals, it would have been different; but too bad they were knocked out early, etc.

Its also a two way street, if I recall correctly Saint gave MiG a lot of advice when they were new. He straight up told their jungler what champs to practice. Having a team that you can count on, and that count on you, seems like a very valuable resource in LoL. Outside perspective is priceless.


fyi, Chauster helped MiG a lot too. Routinely filled in as a ringer for them in scrims (often crushing his lane as Malphite or Akali or some shit). He also helped Rapidstar when he used to be on their team with solo mid match ups (or is Rapidstar still on MiG??? I feel really behind on competitive LoL the last two months or so ).
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