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On March 28 2012 21:29 Cixah wrote: Moletrap isn't very good at commentating LoL.
not shure what your problem is, he's not mainly a LoL player. they are actually doing a surprisingly good job if you ask me.
I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
do you expect them to never say anything the whole game? And everyone, even high-knowledge casters will say flat-out wrong things sometimes.
There talk is fine and i dont mind them explaining things all that much. But the high pitch screaming when something happends instead of actualy telling the viewers what happend just makes me mute the stream every time.
Isn't that precisely how Korean Commentating works? It's not like most of us understand Korean anyway.
Donno if it was a problem of bans or picks but CLG just could never engage a fight. as soon as someone went anivia wall cuts the team in 2 and then they still have to cross through anivia ult and naut/janna slows. They could never get in a position to actualy do damage.
On March 28 2012 21:35 aDd3z wrote: well if you stream you practice all day you shoudnt be surprised that you loose like that. CLG team is really not a professional team yet.
the problem is not that they stream their practice games, the problem is that 1-2 guys don't take them serious enough to be considered pro-players.
I think the other problem is that they don't have a third party who they trust to clear things up for them.
I can guarantee ebvery single scrim Xenics Storm plays Yellow is watching and deciding which calls are right,what isn't right, and telling everyone what they need to improve upon.
When CLG/every non Korean team scrims they just play. If they win they go "fuck yeah, we won." If they lose, they just pin blame on whoever did the worst on the team.
Korean teams have impressed me with their team play. They coordinate so well, they they ward well, and they pick teamcomps that work well together. Non Koreans teams aside from M5 just polay what they good at, farm in lane, then hope they win teamfights.
On March 28 2012 21:29 Cixah wrote: Moletrap isn't very good at commentating LoL.
not shure what your problem is, he's not mainly a LoL player. they are actually doing a surprisingly good job if you ask me.
I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
do you expect them to never say anything the whole game? And everyone, even high-knowledge casters will say flat-out wrong things sometimes.
There talk is fine and i dont mind them explaining things all that much. But the high pitch screaming when something happends instead of actualy telling the viewers what happend just makes me mute the stream every time.
Isn't that precisely how Korean Commentating works? It's not like most of us understand Korean anyway.
I was meaning Moletrap actualy not the Koreans. Yes they scream aswell and it probably isnt as annoying because i cant understand them but im pretty sure a caster can talked excited and still convey what is actualy happening instead of screaming "omg shit just died"
On March 28 2012 21:35 aDd3z wrote: well if you stream you practice all day you shoudnt be surprised that you loose like that. CLG team is really not a professional team yet.
the problem is not that they stream their practice games, the problem is that 1-2 guys don't take them serious enough to be considered pro-players.
I can guarantee ebvery single scrim Xenics Storm plays Yellow is watching and deciding which calls are right,what isn't right, and telling everyone what they need to improve upon.
I don't think Yellow has played enough LoL do to that :D
On March 28 2012 21:35 aDd3z wrote: well if you stream you practice all day you shoudnt be surprised that you loose like that. CLG team is really not a professional team yet.
the problem is not that they stream their practice games, the problem is that 1-2 guys don't take them serious enough to be considered pro-players.
I can guarantee ebvery single scrim Xenics Storm plays Yellow is watching and deciding which calls are right,what isn't right, and telling everyone what they need to improve upon.
I don't think Yellow has played enough LoL do to that :D
You know what I mean though, in the very least they know how to practice.
I can guarantee a Xenics Storm practice looks a lot more like say a pro football teams practice than a beer league's team practice.
Having seen CLG's practice... I think it leans more towards beer league.
On March 28 2012 21:32 Cixah wrote: I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
What exactly was the incorrect information?
Dont bother, there will always be people hating on the casters.
I have what you may call a professional interest in this, so I still want to see what the guy thought was the incorrect information
Someone said Anivia forced Ryze to build a negatron, which is somewhat correct. Jiji has been doing a Banshee rush after Tear instead of Catalyst and Glacial. Since both top and bottom became threats, he opted to make Glacial instead of finishing the Banshee. It's very common for Ryze to have a negatron and really isn't forcing anything, because of the Ryze's scaling.
On March 28 2012 21:35 aDd3z wrote: well if you stream you practice all day you shoudnt be surprised that you loose like that. CLG team is really not a professional team yet.
the problem is not that they stream their practice games, the problem is that 1-2 guys don't take them serious enough to be considered pro-players.
I can guarantee ebvery single scrim Xenics Storm plays Yellow is watching and deciding which calls are right,what isn't right, and telling everyone what they need to improve upon.
I don't think Yellow has played enough LoL do to that :D
You know what I mean though, in the very least they know how to practice.
I can guarantee a Xenics Storm practice looks a lot more like say a pro football teams practice than a beer league's team practice.
Having seen CLG's practice... I think it leans more towards beer league.
On March 28 2012 21:29 Cixah wrote: Moletrap isn't very good at commentating LoL.
not shure what your problem is, he's not mainly a LoL player. they are actually doing a surprisingly good job if you ask me.
I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
do you expect them to never say anything the whole game? And everyone, even high-knowledge casters will say flat-out wrong things sometimes.
There talk is fine and i dont mind them explaining things all that much. But the high pitch screaming when something happends instead of actualy telling the viewers what happend just makes me mute the stream every time.
Isn't that precisely how Korean Commentating works? It's not like most of us understand Korean anyway.
I was meaning Moletrap actualy not the Koreans. Yes they scream aswell and it probably isnt as annoying because i cant understand them but im pretty sure a caster can talked excited and still convey what is actualy happening instead of screaming "omg shit just died"
Korean professional casters are dedicated man. Watch this subtitled SC2 Vod of the korean casters They get the accurate indepth information at a insanely fast pace. When OGN first broadcasted SC2 at WCG they said they watched 100s of replays/vods of a player to learn more about them and the game itself.
Basically Koreans take things seriously, they treat it as if it was a job because it is, it's possible that these commentators have lots of competition and need to be good at what they do.
On March 28 2012 21:32 Cixah wrote: I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
What exactly was the incorrect information?
Dont bother, there will always be people hating on the casters.
I have what you may call a professional interest in this, so I still want to see what the guy thought was the incorrect information
Someone said Anivia forced Ryze to build a negatron, which is somewhat correct. Jiji has been doing a Banshee rush after Tear instead of Catalyst and Glacial. Since both top and bottom became threats, he opted to make Glacial instead of finishing the Banshee. It's very common for Ryze to have a negatron and really isn't forcing anything, because of the Ryze's scaling.
Umm glacial before negatron is far better so he forced the negatron, if not Jiji just made a stupid decision but how's it casters' fault to assume that he wasn't stupid?
Fast boots coupled with MS quints will become standard on most champs. I knew that a year ago and I still know it now, because movement is positioning and positioning wins games. Plus you can chase people and they can't chase you, yowza.
The LoL community is ostensibly full of dogmatic retards who can't think out of the box to save their lives but since Koreans want to win they will likely disprove most lolmyths sooner than later.
Then the same dogmatic retards will rage at people doing things they once considered dogma.
On March 28 2012 21:58 Kickboxer wrote: Fast boots coupled with MS quints will become standard on most champs. I knew that a year ago and I still know it now, because movement is positioning and positioning wins games. Plus you can chase people and they can't chase you, yowza.
The LoL community is ostensibly full of dogmatic retards who can't think out of the box to save their lives but since Koreans want to win they will likely disprove most lolmyths sooner than later.
Then the same dogmatic retards will rage at people doing things they once considered dogma.
Wrong, movement speed won't allow you to dodge point and click spells. Speccing for movement speed also hinders your ability to trade damage when both have similarly ranged skills. Movement speed on Anivia is particularly good because more mobility than your opponent is key for clutch walls and Anivia has a strong skillset for kiting, although has only 300 base movespeed.
On March 28 2012 21:32 Cixah wrote: I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
What exactly was the incorrect information?
Dont bother, there will always be people hating on the casters.
I have what you may call a professional interest in this, so I still want to see what the guy thought was the incorrect information
Someone said Anivia forced Ryze to build a negatron, which is somewhat correct. Jiji has been doing a Banshee rush after Tear instead of Catalyst and Glacial. Since both top and bottom became threats, he opted to make Glacial instead of finishing the Banshee. It's very common for Ryze to have a negatron and really isn't forcing anything, because of the Ryze's scaling.
moletrap later made a comment about how ryze didn't have any damage items, i definitely got the impression that he didn't understand about his mana scaling and how he is built. still think the casters are perfectly fine though.
On March 28 2012 21:32 Cixah wrote: I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
What exactly was the incorrect information?
Dont bother, there will always be people hating on the casters.
I have what you may call a professional interest in this, so I still want to see what the guy thought was the incorrect information
Someone said Anivia forced Ryze to build a negatron, which is somewhat correct. Jiji has been doing a Banshee rush after Tear instead of Catalyst and Glacial. Since both top and bottom became threats, he opted to make Glacial instead of finishing the Banshee. It's very common for Ryze to have a negatron and really isn't forcing anything, because of the Ryze's scaling.
moletrap later made a comment about how ryze didn't have any damage items, i definitely got the impression that he didn't understand about his mana scaling and how he is built. still think the casters are perfectly fine though.
On March 28 2012 22:02 R04R wrote: Wrong, movement speed won't allow you to dodge point and click spells. Speccing for movement speed also hinders your ability to trade damage when both have similarly ranged skills. Movement speed on Anivia is particularly good because more mobility than your opponent is key for clutch walls and Anivia has a strong skillset for kiting, although has only 300 base movespeed.
Yes, because clutch walls are completely different than clutch stuns, disables, roots and ults. Also, moving faster then the enemy champ surely has no fundamental overall benefits throughout the course of the game. This is why everyone opens doran's instead of boots.
On March 28 2012 21:32 Cixah wrote: I don't really buy into shout casting. It's fine if the banter inbetween fights is actually worth while information ala Phreak and Crew, but this is just incorrect information. Yea, I get moletrap has done SC2 and such in the past, but atleast have correct information.
What exactly was the incorrect information?
Dont bother, there will always be people hating on the casters.
I have what you may call a professional interest in this, so I still want to see what the guy thought was the incorrect information
Someone said Anivia forced Ryze to build a negatron, which is somewhat correct. Jiji has been doing a Banshee rush after Tear instead of Catalyst and Glacial. Since both top and bottom became threats, he opted to make Glacial instead of finishing the Banshee. It's very common for Ryze to have a negatron and really isn't forcing anything, because of the Ryze's scaling.
moletrap later made a comment about how ryze didn't have any damage items, i definitely got the impression that he didn't understand about his mana scaling and how he is built. still think the casters are perfectly fine though.
cmon, i'm pretty sure that in the beginning of the game he said ryze scales with mana.
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