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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 23 2012 18:22 GMT
#2521
On February 24 2012 03:16 turdburgler wrote:
all aps fall off late game as everyone has atleast 1 tanky item

aoe slow double snare and an ap shield dont fall off. apart from sustained dps mages like cass lux's kit on paper is 1 of the best for a late game aps. better than say a brands


Yeah but if you wanted a utility caster why would you pick Lux over Morgana or Orianna? Both champions bring more utility and do more damge late game. And if you wanted a long range damage caster why would you pick Lux over like Xerath? The only reason I can see to ever get Lux is just because you like playing her.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
February 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#2522
Don't forget Gragas and Anivia. Two more APs that are better picks over Lux.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 18:42:04
February 23 2012 18:41 GMT
#2523
On February 24 2012 03:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 03:06 Mogwai wrote:
I hate lux with a fiery burning passion. no other AP carry is even close to as useless at 20 kills as she is. like, seriously, any other AP carry is going 8/1 on my team and I'm like, "ok, we got this game," lux is 15/0 and I'm like, "yea, we're probably going to lose."

What champs do you NOT hate with a firey burning passion?

Here is Smash's LoL Champion Hate Tier List for future reference:
<3 Tier
Jarvan IV
Karma
Pantheon
Xin Zhao

Pretty Cool Guy Tier
Anivia
Nunu
Teemo
Wukong
Ezreal
Leona
Fizz
LeBlanc
Corki
Maokai
Gragas
Warwick
Nautilus
Amumu
Irelia
Dr. Mundo
Singed
Katarina
Kog'Maw
Veigar
Galio

Whatever I Guess They Can Stay Tier
Gangplank
Alistar
Kassadin
Tristana
Shen
Nocturne
Viktor
Mordekaiser
Rammus
Talon
Udyr
Ashe
Blitzcrank
Sejuani
Cho'Gath
Olaf
Renekton
Swain
Garen
Taric
Twisted Fate
Annie
Miss Fortune
Malzahar
Orianna
Vayne
Graves
Janna
Ryze
Sivir
Skarner
Heimerdinger
Volibear
Ziggs
Sona
Trundle
Evelynn
Caitlyn
Akali
Malphite
Twitch
Cassiopeia
Kayle
Ahri

Dumb Chars That I Don't Like Tier
Sion
Nasus
Zilean
Soraka
Xerath
Urgot
Shyvana
Jax
Master Yi
Tryndamere
Lux
Brand
Morgana
Kennen
Shaco
Rumble
Fiddlesticks

Seriously Just Remove These Guys From The Game Tier
Vladimir
Poppy
Riven
Nidalee
Lee Sin
Karthus
Yorick
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
February 23 2012 18:41 GMT
#2524
So if tibbers kills blue annie doesn't get it? That's what just happened to me
No I'm never serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 23 2012 18:41 GMT
#2525
On February 24 2012 03:26 Sabin010 wrote:
Don't forget Gragas and Anivia. Two more APs that are better picks over Lux.

Fuck Anivia man. I hate that frigid bitch, and anyone who's good at playing her can suck cocks in hell.
It's your boy Guzma!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 18:45:31
February 23 2012 18:43 GMT
#2526
On February 24 2012 03:22 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 03:16 turdburgler wrote:
all aps fall off late game as everyone has atleast 1 tanky item

aoe slow double snare and an ap shield dont fall off. apart from sustained dps mages like cass lux's kit on paper is 1 of the best for a late game aps. better than say a brands


Yeah but if you wanted a utility caster why would you pick Lux over Morgana or Orianna? Both champions bring more utility and do more damge late game. And if you wanted a long range damage caster why would you pick Lux over like Xerath? The only reason I can see to ever get Lux is just because you like playing her.


Lux can do certain things that Morgana or Orianna can't do reliably. Certainly there are things they do BETTER than Lux, but they can't simultaneously hard-cc two bruisers while simultaneously snipe the enemy carries to bring them into easy-kill range for your own assassin-bruiser.

For instance, Lux can just E-R enemy backline and then all you need to do is throw someone like Irelia with ignite at them and then they're fucked, because how's a squishy with half-health going to fight Irelia with ignite. Meanwhile, Lux is using light binding and prism to protect your own carry + whoever the prism hits. Moreover, if any ONE of the enemy team member cannot sustain, Lux can safely laser-attrition them to death.

But again, this isn't to say that I think Lux is an all-amazing AP carry, moreso to say that certain plays available to Lux are not available to other AP heroes. Naturally, this works both ways.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 23 2012 18:45 GMT
#2527
my talking point on lux will always be that lucario love had 250+ games in season 1 with lux with an over 10.0 KDA and under 50% winrate. that one little stat will always say everything I want to say about the character.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 23 2012 18:50 GMT
#2528
On February 24 2012 03:41 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 03:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 24 2012 03:06 Mogwai wrote:
I hate lux with a fiery burning passion. no other AP carry is even close to as useless at 20 kills as she is. like, seriously, any other AP carry is going 8/1 on my team and I'm like, "ok, we got this game," lux is 15/0 and I'm like, "yea, we're probably going to lose."

What champs do you NOT hate with a firey burning passion?

Here is Smash's LoL Champion Hate Tier List for future reference:
<3 Tier
Jarvan IV
Karma
Pantheon
Xin Zhao

Pretty Cool Guy Tier
Anivia
Nunu
Teemo
Wukong
Ezreal
Leona
Fizz
LeBlanc
Corki
Maokai
Gragas
Warwick
Nautilus
Amumu
Irelia
Dr. Mundo
Singed
Katarina
Kog'Maw
Veigar
Galio

Whatever I Guess They Can Stay Tier
Gangplank
Alistar
Kassadin
Tristana
Shen
Nocturne
Viktor
Mordekaiser
Rammus
Talon
Udyr
Ashe
Blitzcrank
Sejuani
Cho'Gath
Olaf
Renekton
Swain
Garen
Taric
Twisted Fate
Annie
Miss Fortune
Malzahar
Orianna
Vayne
Graves
Janna
Ryze
Sivir
Skarner
Heimerdinger
Volibear
Ziggs
Sona
Trundle
Evelynn
Caitlyn
Akali
Malphite
Twitch
Cassiopeia
Kayle
Ahri

Dumb Chars That I Don't Like Tier
Sion
Nasus
Zilean
Soraka
Xerath
Urgot
Shyvana
Jax
Master Yi
Tryndamere
Lux
Brand
Morgana
Kennen
Shaco
Rumble
Fiddlesticks

Seriously Just Remove These Guys From The Game Tier
Vladimir
Poppy
Riven
Nidalee
Lee Sin
Karthus
Yorick

Can we get this sticked to each GD thread? Neo?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 23 2012 18:55 GMT
#2529
Aww Mogwai you want to remove my MAIN character from the game? <3 <3 Karthus :D
Never Knows Best.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
February 23 2012 18:59 GMT
#2530
I´m pretty shure you two can parade your opinions just fine whenever the issue comes up.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 23 2012 19:01 GMT
#2531
Karthus is an abomination. That passive is just such bullshit. A character that deals unreasonably large AoE DPS needs to at least have the possiblity to mitigate their lategame damage output, but there's just no way to prevent his damage at all.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 23 2012 19:03 GMT
#2532
On February 24 2012 01:45 Juicyfruit wrote:
You counter someone in lane with these scenarios

1) Deny them cs/gold super hard and snowball the lane
2) Tie lane but vastly outscale later
3) Bully him but then spend that advantage elsewhere on the map

Not too many champions can honestly accomplish the first, even fewer can accomplish the second, but the last one, if done well, can be done on a consistent enough basis to be considered a "counter" to ryze.

Oh hey look, every ap champion with aoe wave clearing counts for number three.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:10:32
February 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#2533
On February 24 2012 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
Karthus is an abomination. That passive is just such bullshit. A character that deals unreasonably large AoE DPS needs to at least have the possiblity to mitigate their lategame damage output, but there's just no way to prevent his damage at all.


Easy fix:

New item - The Dematerializer (0gold) - Active: use on Karthus ghost. Banishes Karthus out of the game. Karthus will not respawn.
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
February 23 2012 19:12 GMT
#2534
On February 24 2012 03:41 Nytefish wrote:
So if tibbers kills blue annie doesn't get it? That's what just happened to me


This has been a bug, but I'm pretty sure they fixed it maybe a month or so ago? You should report it if it's still happening.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 23 2012 19:15 GMT
#2535
On February 24 2012 04:08 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
Karthus is an abomination. That passive is just such bullshit. A character that deals unreasonably large AoE DPS needs to at least have the possiblity to mitigate their lategame damage output, but there's just no way to prevent his damage at all.


Easy fix:

New item - The Dematerializer (0gold) - Active: use on Karthus ghost. Banishes Karthus out of the game. Karthus will not respawn.

What happens if you get 2 and cross the beam though?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
February 23 2012 19:16 GMT
#2536
On February 24 2012 04:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 04:08 Juicyfruit wrote:
On February 24 2012 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
Karthus is an abomination. That passive is just such bullshit. A character that deals unreasonably large AoE DPS needs to at least have the possiblity to mitigate their lategame damage output, but there's just no way to prevent his damage at all.


Easy fix:

New item - The Dematerializer (0gold) - Active: use on Karthus ghost. Banishes Karthus out of the game. Karthus will not respawn.

What happens if you get 2 and cross the beam though?


No worries, that'll obviously never happen.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 23 2012 19:17 GMT
#2537
oh god, what if they shut the grid off..? hundreds of Karthus ghosts would enter every game all at once... it would be the end of LoL as we know it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 23 2012 19:20 GMT
#2538
On February 24 2012 04:17 Mogwai wrote:
oh god, what if they shut the grid off..? hundreds of Karthus ghosts would enter every game all at once... it would be the end of LoL as we know it.

Requiem, Requiem everywhere.
It's your boy Guzma!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 23 2012 19:25 GMT
#2539
On February 24 2012 04:17 Mogwai wrote:
oh god, what if they shut the grid off..? hundreds of Karthus ghosts would enter every game all at once... it would be the end of LoL as we know it.


So would that be better or worse than the invulnerable Karthus bug?
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 23 2012 19:27 GMT
#2540
Nasus's and Renektons living together some real end of the world stuff right thar.

Also that list amuses me. Poor Rumble..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
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