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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 24 2012 18:37 GMT
#1961
"Hey, Hotshot, if we get a gaming house, lets all get racecar beds. It would be pretty awesome." -saint

lol
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RogerX
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New Zealand3180 Posts
January 24 2012 18:41 GMT
#1962
Its funny because Hotshot's name always reminded me of a sportscar (Hotrod?)

I think he'd fit this one really really well;
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 24 2012 19:24 GMT
#1963
On January 25 2012 03:37 BlackPaladin wrote:
"Hey, Hotshot, if we get a gaming house, lets all get racecar beds. It would be pretty awesome." -saint

lol

nothing says, "I expect to get laid at some point in time," like a racecar bed.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 24 2012 19:40 GMT
#1964
My connection crapped out and I have a 1k+ ping atm. God Coop VS AI had never been that challenging :o
The legend of Darien lives on
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 19:51:55
January 24 2012 19:43 GMT
#1965
On January 25 2012 00:12 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 00:02 Brockster wrote:
I recently brought some friends to LoL, they want to level up/solo-q later. They have a Dota-background and picking the game rather fast up.
Which leads me to my question: Which champs would you consider a must-have for sucessful low-elo solo carrying for each role?
I did it myself with Udyr, Ryze, Vayne, Sivir and Sora, Ali and didnt feel too lackluster. They think about buying some RP for 6-7 champs and save their IP for tier3 runes.


Must-have:
All the 450 IP champs and Tristana (free via Facebook).

Tell them to play free heroes and potentially buy the ones they enjoy. That's all.

Champ picks don't matter too much at low elo, especially if you can expect to be better than the average beginner due to DotA experience. Strength of champs changes all the time with patches and metagame shifts. There is no point in suggesting specific champs.

Wouldn't even say ALL 450 IP champs, but if you need to carry them on a smurf, Sivir, Ryze, and maybe Annie definitely, tristana and alistar are free for facebook/youtube. Ryze in particular is pretty pro at 1v5ing bads, and doesn't need help to take his own blue buff, unlike some casters.

For other roles, Alistar covers support quite fine, and taric is also very good at punishing bads who overextend and is simpler to play, soraka and janna are also down there. Sona's the most IP-expensive of the support-5, but at 3150 even shes not that expensive and if you end up getting a lot of farm you can force yourself into a support semi-carry role.

Ryze can already fit a bruiser role, but if you want a guy that's more in-your-face, there's plenty of solid choices in the 1350 range like Cho, Singed, Tryndamere, and WW.

AP/caster roles there's Ryze, Annie, Morgana just to name a few.

For carries, sivir and trist should have you covered, but if you really want something else, corki urgot and twitch are all 3150 (was tempted to leave twitch out of this list, but stealth is super-effective against baddies.) I really can't rationalize getting 6300 characters on a smurf that im just trying to teach my buddies the game. I'd rather have a bit more variety in champion select.

Low level junglers are tricky, I'm not really sure (and you have to deal with a 1v2 lane much of the time.) Yi, Amumu WW, Udyr?

And seriously, make them buy Tier 1 runes. The IP efficiency is retardedly good - 5-10% the cost of tier 3 for 60% the efficacy. It's like free starting gold, sure you can play without it, but why cripple yourself?

A Tier 1 armor yellow is ONLY 15 IP for 0.78 armor, compared to a Tier 3 armor rune 205 IP for 1.41 armor. More than half the power. Less than a tenth the cost.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
January 24 2012 19:45 GMT
#1966
Lol watching Oddone trying while playing random lvl 6 people is hilarious.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 20:09:11
January 24 2012 20:08 GMT
#1967
It's silly not to buy tier 1 runes. 2-3 wins of the day get you all the IP for two full rune pages until level 20, and drastically increases your in-game presence.

red: armor pen, magic pen
yellow: flat armor
blue: flat MR
quints: flat AD, scaling AP (these are the least important and you can conceivably skip them)

A solid list of champions all 1350 and below. The free-to-play champs are usually well rounded so owning 1-2 per group below is enough.

AP: annie, ryze, morgana, sion, veigar, TF
AD: sivir, trist, TF
support: soraka, alistar
jungle: ww, yi, fiddle
bruiser/top: jax, nasus, trynd, garen

Champions like cho, amumu, malphite, and singed are good, but it's harder to carry with them than the others mentioned.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 24 2012 20:13 GMT
#1968
So oddone is getting carried really hard in a lvl 9 euw normal game? For the record my avg KDA in those games is like 25-1 or so
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 24 2012 20:33 GMT
#1969
On January 25 2012 05:08 Sandster wrote:
It's silly not to buy tier 1 runes. 2-3 wins of the day get you all the IP for two full rune pages until level 20, and drastically increases your in-game presence.

red: armor pen, magic pen
yellow: flat armor
blue: flat MR
quints: flat AD, scaling AP (these are the least important and you can conceivably skip them)

A solid list of champions all 1350 and below. The free-to-play champs are usually well rounded so owning 1-2 per group below is enough.

AP: annie, ryze, morgana, sion, veigar, TF
AD: sivir, trist, TF
support: soraka, alistar
jungle: ww, yi, fiddle
bruiser/top: jax, nasus, trynd, garen

Champions like cho, amumu, malphite, and singed are good, but it's harder to carry with them than the others mentioned.


A friend of mine also made a spreadsheet concerning the efficiency of buying lvl 1 runes and transmuting them to lvl 2 and then to lvl 3 runes. What he came out with was that if you don't have many runes yet, you are better off transmuting. I bought low lvl runes when I started, and then I transmuted them and got a ms quint, a cdr/lvl blue and an armor red. It's definitely worth it imo.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 24 2012 20:40 GMT
#1970
So apparently they're buffing bots in the next patch. They use items, and are better about when to retreat/attack and know how to use skill shots much better.

"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#1971
Support Heimerdinger is so stronk. Health regen like eznp.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#1972
On January 25 2012 05:43 Niton wrote:
Support Heimerdinger is so stronk. Health regen like eznp.


Don't turrets/rockets steal cs from your carry?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 24 2012 20:53 GMT
#1973
On January 25 2012 05:48 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 05:43 Niton wrote:
Support Heimerdinger is so stronk. Health regen like eznp.


Don't turrets/rockets steal cs from your carry?


They sure do! Saint is doing the supporting for some trolls, though, and it's beautiful.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
January 24 2012 20:54 GMT
#1974
On January 25 2012 05:33 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 05:08 Sandster wrote:
It's silly not to buy tier 1 runes. 2-3 wins of the day get you all the IP for two full rune pages until level 20, and drastically increases your in-game presence.

red: armor pen, magic pen
yellow: flat armor
blue: flat MR
quints: flat AD, scaling AP (these are the least important and you can conceivably skip them)

A solid list of champions all 1350 and below. The free-to-play champs are usually well rounded so owning 1-2 per group below is enough.

AP: annie, ryze, morgana, sion, veigar, TF
AD: sivir, trist, TF
support: soraka, alistar
jungle: ww, yi, fiddle
bruiser/top: jax, nasus, trynd, garen

Champions like cho, amumu, malphite, and singed are good, but it's harder to carry with them than the others mentioned.


A friend of mine also made a spreadsheet concerning the efficiency of buying lvl 1 runes and transmuting them to lvl 2 and then to lvl 3 runes. What he came out with was that if you don't have many runes yet, you are better off transmuting. I bought low lvl runes when I started, and then I transmuted them and got a ms quint, a cdr/lvl blue and an armor red. It's definitely worth it imo.


Yeah, the best thing you can do is buy tier 1 runes up to level 19, and buy as many tier 3 runes as you can once you have access. After you have 6-7 tier 3 runes per slot, you can transmute your tier 1 into a tier 3, and just hope that you get a useful one.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
January 24 2012 20:56 GMT
#1975
On January 25 2012 05:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
So apparently they're buffing bots in the next patch. They use items, and are better about when to retreat/attack and know how to use skill shots much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y6FVPTP8oyM


This is actually pretty cool. They are also expanding the roster to 40 bots and adding support for bots on Dominion.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 21:00:26
January 24 2012 20:58 GMT
#1976
On January 25 2012 05:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
So apparently they're buffing bots in the next patch. They use items, and are better about when to retreat/attack and know how to use skill shots much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y6FVPTP8oyM


from 12 bots to 40 bots, kewl. What I would like is that bots actually use gold instead of simply gaining items based on time.

Wow, bots can skillshot and use summoners like flash. Sounds really cool. 1st win of the day is just getting harder to get quickly huehuehue
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
January 24 2012 21:01 GMT
#1977
I dunno. I've always kind of liked that feature. It keeps them from being severely gimped after you kill them a bunch of times in lane. Bot games are basically a race to see if you can rack up enough kills before Annie-Bot gets stonk enough to one shot you and Cho Gath bot becomes unkillable.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 24 2012 21:03 GMT
#1978
On January 25 2012 06:01 Terranasaur wrote:
I dunno. I've always kind of liked that feature. It keeps them from being severely gimped after you kill them a bunch of times in lane. Bot games are basically a race to see if you can rack up enough kills before Annie-Bot gets stonk enough to one shot you and Cho Gath bot becomes unkillable.

lol. You'd think that with 20-40 kills worth of gold you could kill anything.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 24 2012 21:04 GMT
#1979
On January 25 2012 05:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
So apparently they're buffing bots in the next patch. They use items, and are better about when to retreat/attack and know how to use skill shots much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y6FVPTP8oyM

Now make them available in custom games instead of in just co-op vs AI and we're golden. I really don't get why custom bots need to be awful.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 21:08:52
January 24 2012 21:05 GMT
#1980
That may be true, but it totally kills off any point from laning phase and csing. Also the way bots atm agro in lane and run at you like muppets is really dumb, hope they do something about that.

But mainly interested in the vast amount of different bots available, there was like mumu, cassio, lux, galio bots in the preview and since they can use skillshots and summoners like flash...the galio bot actually flash ulted in the video. Those bots are gonna wreck faces :D probably harder than oddone's lvl 9 adventures today.

God a Malzahar bot, imagine getting malz comboed by a 0 ping perfect reflex bot? from flash distance :x
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