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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
January 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#2641
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?

hey i can write a 7 page paper using fancy headers and diagrams that looks smart and well thought out but is actually a bunch of bullshit too, can i get upvotes and a job offer
:)
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#2642
game lagged so hard I had unlimited flashes....I would be one place then flash halfway across the map....
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#2643
Loss forgiven. Thank god.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:17:46
January 27 2012 03:15 GMT
#2644
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?

Conspiracy theory: I have a vague suspicion that this is some DotA 2 fan who has concocted a very clever way to troll and satirize the LoL fanbase's disdain for the denying mechanic. And this troll seems to be working extremely well.

Related to the piece itself, I feel like this piece highlights some misplaced attitudes with regard to modern game design. In particular, looking at mechanics in isolation, and deeming them as not adding strategic depth to the game without looking at how they interact with other mechanics. Most mechanics in games are not simply for adding a physical skill barrier. Mechanical skills combine with one another to enhance other elements of the game, often adding strategic depth in ways that are not apparent through an isolated analysis of the mechanics themselves.

Take, for example, single-building selection in BW. This was a topic well-discussed when SC2 was about to come out. Both proponents, and detractors of the mechanic looked purely at the physical side of the mechanic, and completely ignored the strategic potential that a large number of mechanical actions, distributed across various aspects of the game can add.

Single-building selection, along with other attention-drawing mechanics in BW turn multitasking into a sort of "3rd resource" (well, 4th if you consider supply as a resource, 5th if you're zerg and consider larvae to be the 3rd resource). What, through surface analysis appears to be a purely mechanical and physical skill barrier to the game actually adds a completely new dimension of resource management. A macro-oriented player will divert more hotkeys to base management, spend more time looking at his base producing units, and thus be able to allocate less of this "attention" resource to controlling his army. A micro-oriented player will divert more hotkeys to army management, spend more time managing his army, and thus may miss some production cycles, causing his production to suffer. A mechanically-practiced player may have more of this resource to use, but a player who can manage his attention to the appropriate things at the right times will still be able to match, or exceed his performance. If you stop looking at "mechanics" and "APM" as isolated actions to be trained, and start looking at them as a fluid resource that's part of the game, you realize the types of interactions they promote.

Similarly, last-hitting (and denying as well, if we're talking about the genre as a whole) creates certain interactions between the two (or more) heroes in a lane. By putting constant, immediate opportunity costs on the actions that a player takes in lane, it adds to the strategic depth of laning interactions, and enables options that are not immediately apparent just from looking at the mechanic in isolation.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:22:09
January 27 2012 03:20 GMT
#2645
It looks like CLG NA going to scrim MiG (Fire?)... The team Loco is on. Looks like Neo knows since he is in their lobby... As MiG's 5th?
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
January 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#2646
everyone on clg blows summoners to kill loco but he gets away. loco is op.

then something happens and they restart.
GANDHISAUCE
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
January 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#2647
On January 27 2012 12:20 BlackMagister wrote:
It looks like CLG NA going to scrim MiG (Fire?)... The team Loco is on.

And is that Neoillusions I spot in the MiG rooster? the plot thickens
washed
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#2648
On January 27 2012 12:20 BlackMagister wrote:
It looks like CLG NA going to scrim MiG (Fire?)... The team Loco is on. Looks like Neo knows since he is in their lobby... As MiG's 5th?


I thought Loco was on MiG Frost and thar other team was MiG Blaze. I could be wrong here..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
January 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#2649
On January 27 2012 12:22 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:20 BlackMagister wrote:
It looks like CLG NA going to scrim MiG (Fire?)... The team Loco is on. Looks like Neo knows since he is in their lobby... As MiG's 5th?


I thought Loco was on MiG Frost and thar other team was MiG Blaze. I could be wrong here..


It's MiG Ice and MiG Fire. Dunno which one Loco is actually on, though.
derp
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
January 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#2650
On January 27 2012 12:22 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:20 BlackMagister wrote:
It looks like CLG NA going to scrim MiG (Fire?)... The team Loco is on. Looks like Neo knows since he is in their lobby... As MiG's 5th?


I thought Loco was on MiG Frost and thar other team was MiG Blaze. I could be wrong here..

You are correct.
Frost is like A-team and Blaze is like B-team iirc
boomer hands
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
January 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#2651
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


The game would lose so much credibility if they put this in. It would literally take zero mechanical skill.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
January 27 2012 03:30 GMT
#2652
It's cloudtemplar not neo, or that's what saint said on stream
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 27 2012 03:30 GMT
#2653
On January 27 2012 12:24 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


The game would lose so much credibility if they put this in. It would literally take zero mechanical skill.


I'd like to think that the reason it was put in a positive light by a red post was because while it's an opinion that should -never- be done and would pretty much cause me to quit and demand a refund. It's very much well written and organized. So I can understand how that may interest someone.

*shrug* No way it'll happen however. That'd be just crazy.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
January 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#2654
I just looked at my ranked stats and saw "wins with 14/91 characters" (well i barely have more. I don't buy any and most of my IP go into runes somehow lol). Anyway when I thought about if I can name all I really felt like those pokemon nerds who could name all 150.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 27 2012 03:35 GMT
#2655
neo with the kill :D
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
January 27 2012 03:35 GMT
#2656
On January 27 2012 12:35 emperorchampion wrote:
neo with the kill :D

If only it was actually neo
boomer hands
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
January 27 2012 03:35 GMT
#2657
On January 27 2012 12:30 0123456789 wrote:
It's cloudtemplar not neo, or that's what saint said on stream

Ah ok. was wondering if Neo hadnt told us something
washed
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 27 2012 03:36 GMT
#2658
On January 27 2012 12:24 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


The game would lose so much credibility if they put this in. It would literally take zero mechanical skill.

It's not even the mechanical skill I'm worried about. The whole dynamic of harassing in lane is based on the need to come up to last hit a creep. The only reason we have aggression in lane is because the other person has to put themselves at risk to get farm, and you can punish it just like they can punish you for trying to get farm. If there's no strategic depth then requiring players to have good mechanics won't make it good gameplay.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:36:25
January 27 2012 03:36 GMT
#2659
On January 27 2012 12:35 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:35 emperorchampion wrote:
neo with the kill :D

If only it was actually neo

: (((((
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
January 27 2012 03:41 GMT
#2660
lol hotshot says sorry to loco before nomnomnom-ing him up. haha.
derp
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