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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
January 27 2012 01:31 GMT
#2621
Why is it that teams don't run CV all the time anymore? Even in this IPL game, neither team is running CV. I realize it was nerfed but the vision is still really useful, no? It seems like most AD carries are running Heal/Flash so why would you also take Heal on your support?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 27 2012 01:32 GMT
#2622
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
January 27 2012 01:32 GMT
#2623
On January 27 2012 09:41 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 09:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 27 2012 09:39 overt wrote:
Wukong is exactly the same. In team fights Wukong gets 40 armor/MR from his passive at level 13. Level 16 Shyv gets 25, 50 in dragon form.

I think lane Shyvana is pretty bad. Mostly cause I don't think she has a ton of favorable match ups but she's having success right now because of how little attention she got at release.

See look. Shyvana is pretty bad. Case closed.


Yeah, people shouldn't play her. Just forget that she exists please.


The only thing that's honestly bothering me and keeping me up in a cold sweat is that RIOT will not read into what actually won the M5 games and will nerf Shyvana into the ground, they tend to have a good habit of this *cough* Kassadin *cough*
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#2624
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


If I wanted to play Dominion I would just play Dominion.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 03:29:04
January 27 2012 01:47 GMT
#2625
Lol I love me some Vlad. Went 11-1-18 today. I love how he can sustain. I've gotten to the point where I just rape my lane and then b at 1600 gold and get me some needlessly large rod. GG


LOlololl my bad guys.... I am so fail....
Mufaa
Profile Joined October 2010
219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 01:48:56
January 27 2012 01:48 GMT
#2626
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


Probably. The great majority are really casual and think kills win games still. If this ever happened I'd stop playing. It's bad enough as is where there really aren't a bunch of ways to outplay your opponent and if a game goes long enough team mechanics are the only thing that matter. Riot needs to address why people turret farm for 20 minutes (turrets too stronk, lanes too short, etc) instead of taking out the last real way for a solo player to outlane their opponent and actually carry a game.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
January 27 2012 01:59 GMT
#2627
On January 27 2012 10:47 Juddas wrote:
Lol I love me some vayne. Went 11-1-18 today. I love how he can sustain. I've gotten to the point where I just rape my lane and then b at 1600 gold and get e some blasting wand. GG


Vayne, 'he', and blasting wand??
Stuck.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
January 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#2628
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


How does that have positive feedback? T_T I'm saddened.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
January 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#2629
On January 27 2012 10:31 arnath wrote:
Why is it that teams don't run CV all the time anymore? Even in this IPL game, neither team is running CV. I realize it was nerfed but the vision is still really useful, no? It seems like most AD carries are running Heal/Flash so why would you also take Heal on your support?

The argument I heard from Xpecial on his stream is yeah, it gets you vision, but the trade-off is you lose bottom lane. Having an extra heal or exhaust bottom lane can be huge. Whereas with good warding and map awareness people generally know where everyone else is in tourney play.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#2630
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?

Someone needs to inform him bloodline champions already exists.

It's so sad that in normals especially most people are those autoattacking 50 creeps at 30min people... Depressing to think that this system would reward them

Where would be the skill then? That's a huge part of the skill requirements. They'd need to make the game a lot more fast-paced in that case and it would ruin all the good dynamics of the game and the skill factor


If this came to be, I'd just play gangplank every game and just zone the enemy as I wouldn't need to bother lasthitting, now THAT's fun gameplay..
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
January 27 2012 02:24 GMT
#2631
go play bloodline champions or dominion if you don't want to last hit. IMO a lot of the appeal for myself towards mobas like dota and LoL is that balance between PvE and PvP elements. I don't really want to get rid of every aspect of PvE with the idea that LoL should be a purely PvP game (because it's not). As it is, LoL/dota/hon have a really cool balance between tower defense elements, rpg elements, and arena elements that I think makes them really shine as a genre. There is, of course, an appeal for games that would focus on other elements and try to phase out the pve parts, but I don't think LoL should move in that direction, and should just leave that to other games/gamemodes.

there was also a really good point somewhere in the thread in that it really skews the power level of melee champs in favor over ranged, because melee no longer need to be close to the creeps to get gold. Suddenly, (especially given how many melee champs have blinks/dashes) there is minimal benefit in being a ranged champion over a melee in laning.

that said, i think it's a good thought exercise, and we def should be questioning whether or not we need certain fundamental game mechanics, but I would be happy to see last hitting stay.

side note: blc was a pretty fun game when i played it a couple times, i just never really got into it for whatever reason.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#2632
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


the guy who wrote this doesn't understand how much room for decision making the lasthitting mechanic creates. Also his proposal shows how little he understands from the matchups and overall balance of the game. There is so much wrong with this that I don't even start to point out specifics.

I find it embarassing and saddening that this gets so much positive feedback because I would not enjoy LoL anymore after a change like this, and its one of my favorite games . embarassing especially since I thought myself as a LoL community member. Apparently there is a huge part that doesn't even get one of the very basics of the game that creates so much tension and is highly rewarding for skilled players that have quick and smart laneing patterns and decision making. I feel a strong disconnect to the LoL community now.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Ladnil
Profile Joined July 2011
United States93 Posts
January 27 2012 02:30 GMT
#2633
On January 27 2012 10:48 Mufaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


Probably. The great majority are really casual and think kills win games still. If this ever happened I'd stop playing. It's bad enough as is where there really aren't a bunch of ways to outplay your opponent and if a game goes long enough team mechanics are the only thing that matter. Riot needs to address why people turret farm for 20 minutes (turrets too stronk, lanes too short, etc) instead of taking out the last real way for a solo player to outlane their opponent and actually carry a game.

It's not a matter of thinking that kills DO win games, it's the thought that kills and pushing down turrets SHOULD win games. Two different arguments entirely. I happen to agree with the sentiment that last hitting is an archaic game mechanic, but it absolutely in no way should be removed from League of Legends. It's too core to the game's design, removing it would make the gameplay unrecognizable. I think MOBAs of the future will probably deemphasize it though, for the reasons the OP there mentioned.
Have a nice day.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#2634
On January 27 2012 10:59 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:47 Juddas wrote:
Lol I love me some vayne. Went 11-1-18 today. I love how he can sustain. I've gotten to the point where I just rape my lane and then b at 1600 gold and get e some blasting wand. GG


Vayne, 'he', and blasting wand??

im so confused right now
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#2635
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


His argument is hilarious though. Lets not reward skill, lets reward bads for having no mechanics. lol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#2636
On January 27 2012 11:29 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


the guy who wrote this doesn't understand how much room for decision making the lasthitting mechanic creates. Also his proposal shows how little he understands from the matchups and overall balance of the game. There is so much wrong with this that I don't even start to point out specifics.

I find it embarassing and saddening that this gets so much positive feedback because I would not enjoy LoL anymore after a change like this, and its one of my favorite games . embarassing especially since I thought myself as a LoL community member. Apparently there is a huge part that doesn't even get one of the very basics of the game that creates so much tension and is highly rewarding for skilled players that have quick and smart laneing patterns and decision making. I feel a strong disconnect to the LoL community now.


LoL has millions of users, and most of them are rather young.

It's expected that the majority is... how to put it... Not even interested in measuring actual skill. They just want to win.

I am actually very, very surprised Dominion doesn't have a larger playerbase, it's pretty much just fighting and no "boring" farming.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
January 27 2012 02:36 GMT
#2637
On January 27 2012 11:35 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:59 Wala.Revolution wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:47 Juddas wrote:
Lol I love me some vayne. Went 11-1-18 today. I love how he can sustain. I've gotten to the point where I just rape my lane and then b at 1600 gold and get e some blasting wand. GG


Vayne, 'he', and blasting wand??

im so confused right now

Vayne is Batman in disguise, Batman scales hard off AP. Solved.
boomer hands
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
January 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#2638
On January 27 2012 10:32 LaNague wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=19877669#post19877669


what in the hell, why does this abomination have so many upvotes and a rioter forwarding it to the design team, are the majority of LoL players really people that would want to get rid of lasthitting and instead get gold based on time?


the passive gold based of downed tower is an interesting idea. the minion death giving gold in the area or towers killing minions giving global gold is trash though.

i think a moba where minions gave no gold and all the gold came from passive gold based of downed towers, kills, and dragon like objectives could be very fun as well as deep. it would have to be a separate game from lol and not just a different mode.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
January 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#2639
servers shittin on anyone else?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 27 2012 02:50 GMT
#2640
On January 27 2012 11:35 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:59 Wala.Revolution wrote:
On January 27 2012 10:47 Juddas wrote:
Lol I love me some vayne. Went 11-1-18 today. I love how he can sustain. I've gotten to the point where I just rape my lane and then b at 1600 gold and get e some blasting wand. GG


Vayne, 'he', and blasting wand??

im so confused right now


I think he must mean Vlad
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