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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 25 2012 13:42 GMT
#2181
On January 25 2012 22:14 daemir wrote:
Apparently watching dyrus make pancakes isn't as interesting as hotshot assembling a couch or whatever since dyrus keeps losing viewers :D


Both dont come close to HotshotGG falling asleep on stream
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 25 2012 13:45 GMT
#2182
On January 25 2012 22:41 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 22:33 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On January 25 2012 22:27 Erasme wrote:
God Nocturne late game is so strong :o
I got infinity/bloodthirster/raze/ghost and OMG 4shotting everyone else with little to no trouble thanks to my ulti :o


Well if you build glass cannon, you will just get chain cced and focused down in teamfights by decent players.

That's why people build him beefy - atmogs etc. One, maybe two damage items at most(if you have a particularly beefy team) and the rest tanky since you ARE the frontline in teamfights and you have pretty awesome steroids from Q and W anyways.
You don't need so much damage that you 3 shot people, everybody just likes to build waay more damage than actually is needed.


Stacked atmogs + LW is all you need for noc. Maybe BT end game or IE, but not early. Wanna be beefy so you can jump in and absorb all the damages!

Just did a normal to get my win of the day, picked LS, 5-0-7. I have a strong feeling that he will be nerfed in the next patch.


Yeah I usually go wriggles+zerkers into tanky on noct.
I'm really shit at lee sin T_T. Gonna try playing him again once I change my internet connection after exams.
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 25 2012 13:50 GMT
#2183
On January 25 2012 22:35 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 22:31 starfries wrote:
On January 25 2012 22:24 mr_tolkien wrote:
On January 25 2012 21:37 Shikyo wrote:
On January 25 2012 21:28 mr_tolkien wrote:
Got 6300IP.

Cassio, Kennen, or Riven ? Hard choice between the 3 imbaest champ for solo queue >.>

Ryze better for solo queue in my opinion

Wonderful reply. I'm still trying to search if you're ironic or just trying to be a smartass.

I think his comment was directed at the part where you said they were the 3 imbaest champs for solo queue.

Of those three, I'd say Kennen but I'm probably biased. But please, play him because he's fun, not because he's imba.


I feel lategame ryze is stronger than kennen. Also its pretty hilarious if you get a double WOTA comp with ryze on your team XD

Yeah, it is for sure. With Vlad free week I've been getting free wins with Vlad Ryze while I wait for the Kennen bandwagon to blow over.
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 25 2012 13:57 GMT
#2184
On January 25 2012 22:50 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 22:35 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On January 25 2012 22:31 starfries wrote:
On January 25 2012 22:24 mr_tolkien wrote:
On January 25 2012 21:37 Shikyo wrote:
On January 25 2012 21:28 mr_tolkien wrote:
Got 6300IP.

Cassio, Kennen, or Riven ? Hard choice between the 3 imbaest champ for solo queue >.>

Ryze better for solo queue in my opinion

Wonderful reply. I'm still trying to search if you're ironic or just trying to be a smartass.

I think his comment was directed at the part where you said they were the 3 imbaest champs for solo queue.

Of those three, I'd say Kennen but I'm probably biased. But please, play him because he's fun, not because he's imba.


I feel lategame ryze is stronger than kennen. Also its pretty hilarious if you get a double WOTA comp with ryze on your team XD

Yeah, it is for sure. With Vlad free week I've been getting free wins with Vlad Ryze while I wait for the Kennen bandwagon to blow over.


I really wanna get kennen and cass. I hope they go on sale soon cuz I probably won't be able to save up enough IP. I will end up spending it on runes or the 3k champs I don't have - olaf etc
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 25 2012 14:34 GMT
#2185
Can't fucking believe people are thinking Kennen AD is normal now.
People mind is so biased from lastest tournament in this game. :/
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 25 2012 14:41 GMT
#2186
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 14:45:54
January 25 2012 14:44 GMT
#2187
On January 25 2012 23:41 BluzMan wrote:
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?


Bad health, no escapes basicly.

Graves has his dash, Trist can jump, Sivir has ult and spellshield, vayne has tumble and short bursts of stealth.
Twitch stealth doesnt help him escape much since it wont active while he is taking dmg.
His slow is nice but only for catching people its a lot less usefull for gettiing away.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 25 2012 14:44 GMT
#2188
On January 25 2012 23:41 BluzMan wrote:
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?


He can get shut down relatively easily early game, and if he does, he's absolute shit late game.

That said, I believe he is EXTREMELY underrated. He's just not a faceroll pentakill machine since his ult nerf.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
January 25 2012 14:44 GMT
#2189
Dies to a slight breeze and has no mobility.
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DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 15:01:52
January 25 2012 14:45 GMT
#2190
On January 25 2012 23:41 BluzMan wrote:
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?


he's really squishy (356HP) and has a short attack range (500) compared to other AD's which makes it hard to lane with him. he also can't escape with his stealth since he can't go into it when taking damage. he's good in the jungle though if you manage to secure a kill early on.

edit: real oneliner Craton lol
edit2: was teasing you, should be funny, hence the "lol". w/e
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
January 25 2012 14:58 GMT
#2191
Haven't you kids gotten tired of that yet. There's no need to write a paragraph for what can be said in a sentence. The whole one-liner shit has to do with contentless replies.
twitch.tv/cratonz
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 25 2012 14:59 GMT
#2192
I think he's kinda overshadowed by Sivir and Graves as ranged ADs with massive AoE damage, and they're not trash in lane. Lategame his ult IS better, but it doesn't really make up for everything else. It's basically a case of power creep (and Riot taking a poop on stealth champions).
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 25 2012 15:07 GMT
#2193
On January 25 2012 23:45 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 23:41 BluzMan wrote:
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?


he's really squishy (356HP) and has a short attack range (500) compared to other AD's which makes it hard to lane with him. he also can't escape with his stealth since he can't go into it when taking damage. he's good in the jungle though if you manage to secure a kill early on.

edit: real oneliner Craton lol
edit2: was teasing you, should be funny, hence the "lol". w/e

And his ULTIMATE can be escaped by right clicking to the left or right so that you land 0 hits.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 25 2012 15:11 GMT
#2194
On January 26 2012 00:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 23:45 DoXa wrote:
On January 25 2012 23:41 BluzMan wrote:
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?


he's really squishy (356HP) and has a short attack range (500) compared to other AD's which makes it hard to lane with him. he also can't escape with his stealth since he can't go into it when taking damage. he's good in the jungle though if you manage to secure a kill early on.

edit: real oneliner Craton lol
edit2: was teasing you, should be funny, hence the "lol". w/e

And his ULTIMATE can be escaped by right clicking to the left or right so that you land 0 hits.


Totally not like their team is occupied by actually fighting the teamfight and thinking "Oh fuck twitch, I better stop attacking this morgana and move left and right!".
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 25 2012 15:14 GMT
#2195
On January 25 2012 23:44 Craton wrote:
Dies to a slight breeze and has no mobility.


Okay, do you believe that, given, say, 100 extra health, he would be doable? Because just looking at his kit makes me think "omfg how much damage". No escapes is really a team composition issue - kog is playable, ashe was playable before getting outshadowed by more "modern" ranged DPS.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
January 25 2012 15:21 GMT
#2196
It wouldn't make a difference. He has almost the same level 18 HP as Ashe and only a little less than Cait. Ashe, much like Twitch, is largely unviable because she has no way to disengage in a world where nearly every melee in the game has an instant gap closer or speed boosts with high amounts of cc/slows. His ult damage is too high in many situations, but all it takes is one person to toss out an exhaust or jump on him to make him completely useless. He only works in small skirmishes or when he can pop up off to the side after everyone has fully committed.
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 25 2012 15:23 GMT
#2197
On January 25 2012 23:34 Noocta wrote:
Can't fucking believe people are thinking Kennen AD is normal now.
People mind is so biased from lastest tournament in this game. :/


No one said its 'normal' really. Its a fun thing to try out; its not like its flat out trolling or anything.

He can potentially dominate weaker ad carries early game, especially when paired with a decent support. He's got good base stats, stun, mobility and can peel for himself.
Yes AP is the standard build, but AD is still viable.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Mufaa
Profile Joined October 2010
219 Posts
January 25 2012 15:33 GMT
#2198
On January 26 2012 00:14 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 23:44 Craton wrote:
Dies to a slight breeze and has no mobility.


Okay, do you believe that, given, say, 100 extra health, he would be doable? Because just looking at his kit makes me think "omfg how much damage". No escapes is really a team composition issue - kog is playable, ashe was playable before getting outshadowed by more "modern" ranged DPS.

Just my 2 cents but Kog's W and E keep him more secure early. If he throws out his e after seeing you move in you're going to either have to commit to trying to kill or get chunked pretty hard by the extra range on his w. Ashe has her W and Q to keep her safe if someone tries to close the gap. Twitch has to be in the range of most ranged attacks/abilities to even attack and use his w to slow them or get the damage from his E. He doesn't really have a way to punish someone trying to zone him without committing to an attack because if he loses he can't trade effectively at all if he falls behind in exp/farm.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 25 2012 15:46 GMT
#2199
I don't know if it is just people being bad, but every time i face a Renek in solo queue (not me laning against him, but he is on the opponent team), he gets fed to hell and carries.

Is Reken just that good or is he just a pubstomper?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 15:49:23
January 25 2012 15:48 GMT
#2200
On January 26 2012 00:11 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 00:07 Shikyo wrote:
On January 25 2012 23:45 DoXa wrote:
On January 25 2012 23:41 BluzMan wrote:
Another question - why is Twitch considered so trash? He has an AS steroid (it's hard to use, but doable), amazing passive, amazing damage on expunge and an amazing ult for a ranged DPS champion. Also, a slow with 1200 max range that automatically applies to every champion and lasts 4.4 seconds. Why don't people just pretend he doesn't have stealth and play him like a regular ranged DPS?


he's really squishy (356HP) and has a short attack range (500) compared to other AD's which makes it hard to lane with him. he also can't escape with his stealth since he can't go into it when taking damage. he's good in the jungle though if you manage to secure a kill early on.

edit: real oneliner Craton lol
edit2: was teasing you, should be funny, hence the "lol". w/e

And his ULTIMATE can be escaped by right clicking to the left or right so that you land 0 hits.


Totally not like their team is occupied by actually fighting the teamfight and thinking "Oh fuck twitch, I better stop attacking this morgana and move left and right!".

you stand still while attacking in teamfights?? You don't pay attention to the twitch??
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