• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:46
CEST 20:46
KST 03:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver4[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon95Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?175Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? [D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group B [ASL22] Ro16 Group A Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6182 users

[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 230

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 228 229 230 231 232 235 Next
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
January 16 2012 16:59 GMT
#4581
The method of conecasting is obsolete but "fixing" it isn´t worth it to have everyone relearn Annie and Cho.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 16 2012 17:07 GMT
#4582
On January 17 2012 01:59 LaNague wrote:
ok, after 4 hours math lecture and the doodling that comes with it i asked myself:

why in the hell do we still use a mouse and not some kind of gaming pen for like 3 times the accuracy and speed oO.



also, inb4 someone else gets rich with my gaming pens.

People have tried it, but it isn't really as accurate on the fly as you'd think, at least not without a lot of practice.

I mean, I assume you're talking about having like, a Wacom tablet and just tapping to indicate the screen position, right? How often can you tap the correct position if you try 10 times? 100 times? Not to mention that you'd have to set up a new way of scrolling to the side and right/double clicking, scrollwheel, and that a mouse has room for more buttons (thumbs, pinky, middle finger).

But if you can get over that (and it's not impossible), more power to you. I just know my college roommate who tried it (in WoW, though), couldn't get a hang of it after a week of trying. But, to each their own, maybe it'll become the new trackball.
It's your boy Guzma!
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:10:18
January 16 2012 17:08 GMT
#4583
On January 17 2012 01:43 mordek wrote:
I always thought the scream was suppose to be that way. Never thought about it. Although casting it away from you is probably the worse/lazy option than walking and then casting it.

I hate how it works for Annie and Cho. I know I am in range, but since I place my mouse pointer further away from my champ (increased accuracy compared to having the cursor close to your champ), Annie/Cho won't cast the damn spell until I bring the cursor closer...
On January 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:59 LaNague wrote:
ok, after 4 hours math lecture and the doodling that comes with it i asked myself:

why in the hell do we still use a mouse and not some kind of gaming pen for like 3 times the accuracy and speed oO.



also, inb4 someone else gets rich with my gaming pens.

People have tried it, but it isn't really as accurate on the fly as you'd think, at least not without a lot of practice.

I mean, I assume you're talking about having like, a Wacom tablet and just tapping to indicate the screen position, right? How often can you tap the correct position if you try 10 times? 100 times? Not to mention that you'd have to set up a new way of scrolling to the side and right/double clicking, scrollwheel, and that a mouse has room for more buttons (thumbs, pinky, middle finger).

But if you can get over that (and it's not impossible), more power to you. I just know my college roommate who tried it (in WoW, though), couldn't get a hang of it after a week of trying. But, to each their own, maybe it'll become the new trackball.

Afaik Tablets are considered superior to mouse for stuff like Osu! (rythm/accurracy game). So it's not unreasonable to try it for other games.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 16 2012 17:09 GMT
#4584
On January 17 2012 01:59 LaNague wrote:
ok, after 4 hours math lecture and the doodling that comes with it i asked myself:

why in the hell do we still use a mouse and not some kind of gaming pen for like 3 times the accuracy and speed oO.



also, inb4 someone else gets rich with my gaming pens.


you mean like touch screen? because touch screen technology is laggy and innacurate.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:15:19
January 16 2012 17:10 GMT
#4585
On January 17 2012 01:59 LaNague wrote:
ok, after 4 hours math lecture and the doodling that comes with it i asked myself:

why in the hell do we still use a mouse and not some kind of gaming pen for like 3 times the accuracy and speed oO.



also, inb4 someone else gets rich with my gaming pens.


if you're talking about a stylus, i hate those things, they're more prone to drive me nuts than to actually be helpful.

edit: touchscreen tablets may be interesting tho. Especially if you consider how good they've gotten in the past year or so, a touchscreen for gaming isn't inconceivable in the near future.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 16 2012 17:14 GMT
#4586
On January 17 2012 01:59 LaNague wrote:
ok, after 4 hours math lecture and the doodling that comes with it i asked myself:

why in the hell do we still use a mouse and not some kind of gaming pen for like 3 times the accuracy and speed oO.



also, inb4 someone else gets rich with my gaming pens.


Because I'm left-handed but using the mouse with my right hand.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 16 2012 17:16 GMT
#4587
On January 17 2012 02:08 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:43 mordek wrote:
I always thought the scream was suppose to be that way. Never thought about it. Although casting it away from you is probably the worse/lazy option than walking and then casting it.

I hate how it works for Annie and Cho. I know I am in range, but since I place my mouse pointer further away from my champ (increased accuracy compared to having the cursor close to your champ), Annie/Cho won't cast the damn spell until I bring the cursor closer...
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
On January 17 2012 01:59 LaNague wrote:
ok, after 4 hours math lecture and the doodling that comes with it i asked myself:

why in the hell do we still use a mouse and not some kind of gaming pen for like 3 times the accuracy and speed oO.



also, inb4 someone else gets rich with my gaming pens.

People have tried it, but it isn't really as accurate on the fly as you'd think, at least not without a lot of practice.

I mean, I assume you're talking about having like, a Wacom tablet and just tapping to indicate the screen position, right? How often can you tap the correct position if you try 10 times? 100 times? Not to mention that you'd have to set up a new way of scrolling to the side and right/double clicking, scrollwheel, and that a mouse has room for more buttons (thumbs, pinky, middle finger).

But if you can get over that (and it's not impossible), more power to you. I just know my college roommate who tried it (in WoW, though), couldn't get a hang of it after a week of trying. But, to each their own, maybe it'll become the new trackball.

Afaik Tablets are considered superior to mouse for stuff like Osu! (rythm/accurracy game). So it's not unreasonable to try it for other games.

Well, for rhythm games, you're just tapping in a general location, so being off by a bit is the difference between great and good. In, say, LoL, those few pixels mean you missed a CS, and in SC2, you just tried to focus an Archon instead of the Sentry.

It's a good idea, and would be great if the technology was more advanced and we were more used to using it instead of being indoctrined with a mouse.
It's your boy Guzma!
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 16 2012 17:48 GMT
#4588
i actually thought about a pen that is working with a normal optical/laser sensor and has the processing parts outsorced via bungee aparatus to a box. even it it would have to touch a mousepad at all times for the optical sensor to work without error, it would still handle way better than a mouse that is really quite clumpsy by design.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 16 2012 17:50 GMT
#4589
Well, I mean, sometimes the shit we have is just better even though you would think that something else would be optimal. I mean, just try to play a consul game without a controller or a fighting game without a pad.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 16 2012 17:59 GMT
#4590
On January 17 2012 02:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Well, I mean, sometimes the shit we have is just better even though you would think that something else would be optimal. I mean, just try to play a consul game without a controller or a fighting game without a pad.

Oh man, don't bring up the controller/keyboard discussion though, there may be blood.

+ Show Spoiler +
I like to use a controller on my FPS games. I'll be a social pariah forever.
It's your boy Guzma!
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
January 16 2012 18:02 GMT
#4591
On January 17 2012 01:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:21 turdburgler wrote:
On January 17 2012 01:12 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:54 turdburgler wrote:
On January 16 2012 23:56 r.Evo wrote:
On January 16 2012 23:44 griMetone wrote:
There is no little benefit for top teams to allow shoutcasters to spectate their games as it basically lowers their income (gained through personal streaming). Until a decent replay system is released, the only way I can see shoutcasters getting access to Skrims is by making an agreement with the top teams managers or by accessing lesser known teams hoping to gain some exposure.


Strong shoutcasting = higher exposure = easier to attract sponsors.


I'd bet that if strong shoutcasters would cast scrims the total numbers watching would increase. Thinking about their own personal stream income is pretty damn shortsighted.


pretty much everything high profile people in the lol community do is short sighted

On January 17 2012 00:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
On January 16 2012 23:44 griMetone wrote:
There is no little benefit for top teams to allow shoutcasters to spectate their games as it basically lowers their income (gained through personal streaming). Until a decent replay system is released, the only way I can see shoutcasters getting access to Skrims is by making an agreement with the top teams managers or by accessing lesser known teams hoping to gain some exposure.

CLG EU did a call for it recently (http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=550611), I contacted them but never got a reply :/

I asked to obs ONE scrim to be able to commentate in real conditions.


sending a reply and/or inviting you to obs a scrim would take 30 seconds out of their day. streaming some lol and masturbating takes up far too much time for them to be able to do that.

Well, at the moment, one can actually say that the lol business model is actually BETTER than the comparable starcraft one. At least in lol its the players who are the ones rewarded with money and fame (especially when it comes to streaming). Not to say that it doenst such that there arent any decent casters, but we dont see the same problem in starcraft where pros play the games and casters make a LOT more money by casting them and posting them to Youtube.


i dont see how you define that as better. when the lol scene grows up there wont be time for players to do casting, as a lot of people in the sc world have found out, if you want to take your game seriously you dont have time for that crap. now in the lol scene theres no developed model for a caster making money. do they attach themselves to a team? are they independent? do they pester teams to watch scrims or do they organise it themselves?

eventually lol is gonna need more dedicated casters, but how do they take the plunge into it?

We get a replay system and they cast shit and gain a following.

The hints I have gotten from Riot indicate that the system they are shooting for is going to automatically keep/upload replays to the client so that you can search for people and get their replays. Then they can just cast those and whoever is good will gain a following. Not all that hard.

Its a hell of a lot easier to find a good caster than it is to try to fix whatever the hell happened to the starcraft scene.


Are there any hints on when replays will come? They didn't say anthing about replays when S2 came along (real dissapointing IMO)
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 18:04:51
January 16 2012 18:03 GMT
#4592
I don't know too much about electronics, but my impression is that a resistive touchscreen would require too much force on each input to be practical (try cs-ing with that haha) and a capactive touchscreen would have too much delay inbetween inputs. It'd probably also be difficult getting used to right and leftclicking, especially if you spam a lot of clicks for whatever reason. With some better tech and some time to get used to it though, I don't think it's too far-fetched, but it's not something I would personally use.

Except maybe Osu on Lunatic songs.

EDIT:
On January 17 2012 03:02 Woony wrote:
Are there any hints on when replays will come? They didn't say anthing about replays when S2 came along (real dissapointing IMO)

Replays will come out + Show Spoiler +
when they're done. :3
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 16 2012 18:11 GMT
#4593
On January 17 2012 02:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Well, I mean, sometimes the shit we have is just better even though you would think that something else would be optimal. I mean, just try to play a consul game without a controller or a fighting game without a pad.

Playing a fighting game with a standard gamepad is like playing starcraft2 with a gun controller. How can one finger (right thumb) be responsible for 4 inputs?

Most of the standard user interfaces in our day and age are terrible, some people just got used to it, and different persons will like different hardware interfaces.
The legend of Darien lives on
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#4594
On January 17 2012 03:11 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
Well, I mean, sometimes the shit we have is just better even though you would think that something else would be optimal. I mean, just try to play a consul game without a controller or a fighting game without a pad.

Playing a fighting game with a standard gamepad is like playing starcraft2 with a gun controller. How can one finger (right thumb) be responsible for 4 inputs?


it's called claw grip
you use your fingers on the inputs instead of your thumb
And all is illuminated.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 16 2012 18:40 GMT
#4595
Anyone remember Starcraft64? Now that was terrible haha. Rented it one night and I don't think I could finish a game.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Mufaa
Profile Joined October 2010
219 Posts
January 16 2012 18:43 GMT
#4596
On January 17 2012 03:03 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I don't know too much about electronics, but my impression is that a resistive touchscreen would require too much force on each input to be practical (try cs-ing with that haha) and a capactive touchscreen would have too much delay inbetween inputs. It'd probably also be difficult getting used to right and leftclicking, especially if you spam a lot of clicks for whatever reason. With some better tech and some time to get used to it though, I don't think it's too far-fetched, but it's not something I would personally use.

Except maybe Osu on Lunatic songs.

EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 03:02 Woony wrote:
Are there any hints on when replays will come? They didn't say anthing about replays when S2 came along (real dissapointing IMO)

Replays will come out + Show Spoiler +
when they're done. :3


I've played Rift, WoW, SC2(challenges) and LoL when bored during 3hr lecture with a wacom bamboo and it is capacitive. If you want to use it as a point and click style where you don't drag the cursor you run into precision issues if stuff is moving around due to how hard it is to judge the ratio of the screen resolution to the tablets usable area. If you take too long locating the pointer it's worse than using a mouse. If you hover it so you can see the mouse the entire time and drag it then you have issues where if you accidentally make contact you're left clicking for no reason or if it stays touching you right click in the wrong spot. I don't see it being worth it.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 18:48:57
January 16 2012 18:45 GMT
#4597
Alright, so I'm currently playing HORRIBLY and decided to go take a break from my usual patterns and rather go practice some new champs for each role. Currently, my mains are Kennen/Panth/WW top, Skarner/Mao/The Moose in the jungle, Kennen/Brand mid and Soraka/Sona support. I rarely ever play AD.

I have looked over some past games and have come to realize I sacrifice too much farm for harassing my opponent and was thinking about champs who either excell well at farming while harassing or have such a beast late game you don't even have to worry about harassing your opponents. Boredom plays a pretty big role here I feel and I really want to change things up. Basically meaning learning a couple of champs from the get-go and try to get every single last hit each game.

So I thought, hell, go learn Singed/GP, Ahri/Fizz/Ryze, Nocturne/Lee, Corki/Sivir.

Any other suggestions?
currently rooting for myself.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 16 2012 18:48 GMT
#4598
Singed is probably king of the ignore and farm. Ori can also excel at that style. In jungle shyvans is boss at getting farm and outscaling the enemy dps super hard
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 16 2012 19:04 GMT
#4599
Jesus christ never ever let Froggen get Anivia in tournaments, destroyed the hell out of aAa with a spirit vessage-abyssal-archangel-shrulias build.
Go go Alliance.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 16 2012 19:06 GMT
#4600
Ryze is beast. Trynd is pretty good too. Trist is my favorite AD and works pretty well with farming, you try to kill them early on and then go boss mode and farm your face off. And Trist auto harasses by last hitting minions.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Prev 1 228 229 230 231 232 235 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#63
RotterdaM1016
TaKeTV 415
TKL 319
IndyStarCraft 266
SteadfastSC205
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1016
ByuN 379
TKL 319
IndyStarCraft 266
SteadfastSC 205
UpATreeSC 112
MindelVK 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18578
Calm 3424
Shuttle 757
Horang2 467
Mini 243
Dewaltoss 186
Soulkey 105
910 42
firebathero 33
Bale 32
[ Show more ]
Aegong 23
soO 23
HiyA 22
Trap 16
Barracks 15
Counter-Strike
fl0m1341
pashabiceps943
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu297
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi2102
FrodaN962
Beastyqt770
ceh9475
mouzStarbuck330
KnowMe202
ArmadaUGS167
ToD162
XaKoH 123
QueenE121
Chillindude13
Pyrionflax11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2204
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 111
• StrangeGG 58
• Reevou 7
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 13
• Azhi_Dahaki12
• Pr0nogo 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade991
Other Games
• imaqtpie747
• Shiphtur183
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
15h 15m
Snow vs Shinee
Shine vs EffOrt
GSL
16h 15m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 15h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
5 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.