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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:58 Sandster wrote: I turn on Dan's stream in time to watch him miss smite on baron, get aced, and lose. Seriously what's up with "pro" junglers missing smite all the time? He got the smite on the first baron. I would say its the large amounts of damage coming from a lot of different sources though. Still, as a pro...  | ||
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Craton
United States17305 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:58 Sandster wrote: I turn on Dan's stream in time to watch him miss smite on baron, get aced, and lose. Seriously what's up with "pro" junglers missing smite all the time? Certain players (Dan is among the worst) have very poor mechanics, especially when it comes to smiting with precision. Many try to base it off the approximate size of the remaining HP bar rather than the actual amount, which often results in them missing by <100hp. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:56 Two_DoWn wrote: But then again, late game kass and anivia can randomly win the game by hitting a wall. Most Ap carries tend to have that catch someone and they die aspect to them. Also- morg shield only blocks magic damage. Someone like graves, sivir, or cait would take a dump on morg in lane. But that would require people doing the unthinkable and adjusting their play style. So we dont have to worry about that. HOW 2 WALL WITH KASS WOLOLOLOL I really think the binding is only the beginning of random Morgana victories. Usually they go something like this: 1) Hit Binding + Puddle 2) Flash + R on enemy team running to helped trapped player 3) Profit!?! | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:55 Alaric wrote: Level E first, 2 doran rings, maybe Death augment, clear the creep wave (minus maybe a hit on each melee minion) in one spell while they're all still lining. Morg can't W. Morg screwed. \o/ I played it before the patch so I noticed I couldn't harass her too much tho, because I wouldn't have enough mana to wear her down all while farming. Still managed to grab a kill but if she kills you you won't get her, since your ult will immediatly disappear on death (the same is true for the stun device, it's highly frustrating). So basically, play it like I would any other Viktor vs X lane? =P I'm loving the Viktor tweaks. He's definitely a lot better in lane now. Lvl 1 I have 11 Mp5. His laser is WAY more reliable now and seems to actually cover quite a large width of area. | ||
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
Kassadin Vayne Underrated: Kennen THEKAISERHUEHUEHUE Seriously I'm terrified people are going to start playing morde again, the few games I've seen of him lately he was an absolute monster. And I'm pretty sure people know how good kennen is, but no one seems to play him that much so I'm not sure what to make of that. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:17 Lancer723 wrote: Underrated: Kennen I see Kennen in 50%+ of my games :o | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:17 Lancer723 wrote: Overrated: Kassadin Vayne Underrated: Kennen THEKAISERHUEHUEHUE Seriously I'm terrified people are going to start playing morde again, the few games I've seen of him lately he was an absolute monster. And I'm pretty sure people know how good kennen is, but no one seems to play him that much so I'm not sure what to make of that. Had quite a few games vs. morde today.. not fun, hate the ulti ignite so much XD Also, lets watch CLG own ! | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
True story. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:23 clickrush wrote: some of you guys mentioned kassadin to be overrated. Before my LoL break, kassadin was a very specific pick against burst AP carries and also against squishy teams (like any assassin though). So what has changed that people even consider him a 'overrated' champion at all? Did some 3k+ streamer play him lately in soloq? I think they consider him overrated because of his instaban status. I think he's strong, but not always the strongest, and certainly not the first champion you want to select. I just think that bans should be used for champions that are likely to ruin the game, and not necessarily the strongest/best picks. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:11 Requizen wrote: Well, you're right, my wording was off. Not so much "passive jungling" as much as "jungling required more". Since the mobs were nerfed, the big mobs were given heals, and the banking system was introduced, it's easier for anyone to go in and jungle. You can't die to small camps unless you're pretty bad. Hell, it's hard to die to buff monsters unless you're pretty bad. So when I say "passive jungling", I mean the idea that they weren't camps you could kill in passing on your way to a gank. You could at level 10+, once you had items and what not, but full clears now are so much easier. And there's no real disincentive to not killing things. Previously, if you left a camp up for too long, it was the worst thing you could do. Now, you can leave them up for quite a bit and let the gold/xp build up while you kill a lane. I hate to say things like "easy" or "nerfed", but that's what it was. There doesn't seem to be as much of a skill requirement, you can jump in the jungle with pretty much any champ with any runes and do reasonably well given you know the champion. Pick any route and get a pull on blue and you'll do fine, for the most part. Not that I'm complaining. Like I said, I like the new jungle. It allows for a more aggressive playstyle with less punishment if you mess up your route or are gone for too long. You are mistaken regarding a couple of your points. Clearing camps "in passing" was done in the old jungle well before level 10, especially following the mastery remake. Skipping camps, both then and now, is almost entirely a matter of gank timing, not damage incurred. Leaving a camp untouched is actually worse in the new jungle than the old, at least in terms of opportunity costs. Since you earlier stated you didn't care about the numbers I've spoilered the math/explanation. + Show Spoiler [Math] + Numbers and mechanics for the new jungle are drawn from my jungle compendium thread. Golem Camp Values: Old Golems: 282 exp, 60g New Golems: 155 exp (+ 2.63exp/min), 55g (+ .53g/min) To demonstrate we will be examining the opportunity cost of ignoring the golem camp for two minutes with no prior scaling for the new jungle. This scenario is chosen because it is the best case scenario for opportunity costs in the new jungle due to banking and the relatively high value of the golem camp in the old jungle. In the old jungle leaving the golems uncleared for two minutes is equivalent to missing 1.2 spawns (120 seconds / 100 seconds). Thus, the opportunity cost for the old jungle is 338.4 exp and 72g. In the new jungle leaving the golems uncleared for two minutes is equivalent to missing 2 spawns (120 seconds / 60 seconds). Scaling adds 2.63exp and .53g additional cost to the first missed spawn, and 5.26exp and 1.06g additional cost to the second missed spawn. We then subtract the 38exp and 6g gained through banking. The result is an opportunity cost of 280exp and 106g. These opportunity costs are roughly equal. As I stated before this is the best case scenario for the new jungle. If we subtract a minute from the scenario or examine a different camp the new jungle suffers considerably. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:38 Sandster wrote: What runes are Wickd using? His Irelia is just unreal; too bad I can't really watch at work. Full mr rofl. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:36 Seuss wrote: You are mistaken regarding a couple of your points. Clearing camps "in passing" was done in the old jungle well before level 10, especially following the mastery remake. Skipping camps, both then and now, is almost entirely a matter of gank timing, not damage incurred. Leaving a camp untouched is actually worse in the new jungle than the old, at least in terms of opportunity costs. Since you earlier stated you didn't care about the numbers I've spoilered the math/explanation. + Show Spoiler [Math] + Numbers and mechanics for the new jungle are drawn from my jungle compendium thread. Golem Camp Values: Old Golems: 282 exp, 60g New Golems: 155 exp (+ 2.63exp/min), 55g (+ .53g/min) To demonstrate we will be examining the opportunity cost of ignoring the golem camp for two minutes with no prior scaling for the new jungle. This scenario is chosen because it is the best case scenario for opportunity costs in the new jungle due to banking and the relatively high value of the golem camp in the old jungle. In the old jungle leaving the golems uncleared for two minutes is equivalent to missing 1.2 spawns (120 seconds / 100 seconds). Thus, the opportunity cost for the old jungle is 338.4 exp and 72g. In the new jungle leaving the golems uncleared for two minutes is equivalent to missing 2 spawns (120 seconds / 60 seconds). Scaling adds 2.63exp and .53g additional cost to the first missed spawn, and 5.26exp and 1.06g additional cost to the second missed spawn. We then subtract the 38exp and 6g gained through banking. The result is an opportunity cost of 280exp and 106g. These opportunity costs are roughly equal. As I stated before this is the best case scenario for the new jungle. If we subtract a minute from the scenario or examine a different camp the new jungle suffers considerably. Gah, as I thought, the math is scary. But your point is good. I don't know why, but it just feels less important to stay in the jungle now as it did previously. Maybe it's the feeling that, on a surface level, the camps are worth less gold/xp per shot because of the fast respawn rate. However, as you show, they're worth the same over time. I can't be the only one feeling this, though. For some reason, in the old jungle, I'd look at camps while off ganking/teamfighting and cringe a little bit about them sitting there. Now, I'll often just pass them by on my way to lanes without giving much thought to it. Maybe it's a shift in my playstyle and less of the jungle, though. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:42 Beyonder wrote: TSM starting horribly again, cassio failing mid badly lol I have no idea why chaox doesn't just play vayne/graves. I guess he likes losing. | ||
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