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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
January 10 2012 16:28 GMT
#2861
Shyvana Udyr and Skarner all super super fast. Shaco fast too, but you don't farm jungle so I don't think that's what you're looking for. Shyvana I think is still the fastest because of how much crazy damage W does.
boomer hands
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 16:28:52
January 10 2012 16:28 GMT
#2862
Udyr, Skarner? Shyvana.
aka Teutonica
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 16:29:18
January 10 2012 16:28 GMT
#2863
On January 11 2012 01:22 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 00:53 rwrzr wrote:
JET/BRUCE LI/LEE SINS (NO PICS BECAUSE I CANT TELL)

It's called "Dragon Fist Lee Sin"--"Dragon Fist" is actually the name of an old Jackie Chan movie.

You so smart, totally unreleated, jackie chan is quite underrated.
How do you build jungle shyv anyways? Wriggles, wit's and just tanky items?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
January 10 2012 16:29 GMT
#2864
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g
wtf.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 16:30:55
January 10 2012 16:30 GMT
#2865
On January 11 2012 01:29 Attakijing wrote:
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g
wtf.

They hotfixed it to be 1000 rather than 1200, but the store still said 1200, so now it matches the actual price.

The original drop actually makes it pretty cost efficient.
It's your boy Guzma!
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 16:33:00
January 10 2012 16:31 GMT
#2866
I haven't played shyv in a while, but it used to be Boots +3, wriggles wit's end, fratmas situational. Or you could try that SV build that I never did where you open double doran's shield.

I forgot to mention full AS runes on red quint blue :3
boomer hands
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 10 2012 16:38 GMT
#2867
On January 11 2012 01:27 Requizen wrote:
Viktor changes in lunar patch, only balance bits:

Viktor
-base mana regen per 5 seconds increased to 6.9 from 4.3
-basic attack frame has been improved to be more responsive
-fixed a bug with chaos storm where the opposing viktor could control your storm
-fixed a bug where gravity field's stun effect could not be cleansed
-improved death ray to be more responsive
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g

I haven't played him in a few days, but here's my thoughts. There are really only two noticeable things, manga regen and Death Ray. Mana regen is nice, should make his early game a bit less risky to cast during. However, it also devalues Gravity a bit more, I think Death is probably the better augment right now. When they responsiveness, I hope they mean Death Ray actually hitting the whole breadth of it's range, which it doesn't right now. I guess the attack frame thing is a buff, but I never really had a problem with that.

That said, I don't think it'll make him super desirable in one patch. He's still good, but I almost just feel that other casters (including Swain prominently) do his job better. He's not really a bursty mage outside of his Ult, and he doesn't really have sustained damage outside the fact that Q and E are somewhat short CDs. His biggest use right now is dropping W for team fights and Ulting squishy targets.

Better buffs would be increasing Q's missile speed (or making the shield instant), and/or increasing it's damage. Q is very underwhelming, overall.


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Edit:


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 01:24 Attakijing wrote:
hey who are the 3 fastest junglers in the new jungle

For speed, Skarner, Phoenixdyr, and probably Shyvana. Shy really lacks ganks, though.


These changes make me a very happy Viktor player. I never really had too many mana issues early, so the extra regen will just make me more confident early. I haven't had too many issues with his attack animation. Death Ray being more responsive will be AWESOME. So many times the ray has gone through things and not damaged it.

I never realized his augment was only 1000g, derpity derp, but I'll consider it a buff since I've been assuming I spend 1200 on it :3

I agree that his Q is fairly underwhelming on a survivability point, but it does a good amount of damage. Also, the burst on his level 3 ult is AWESOME. Last night, even T_D was like "holy shit where did all that burst come from?"
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 16:38:51
January 10 2012 16:38 GMT
#2868
Nocturne is a really fast jungler. Yi is probably the best AFK jungle farmer.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 10 2012 16:39 GMT
#2869
Yi is total bullshit, never get proccs when I play him unless I have like 3 points in Q, makes me really sad.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 10 2012 16:40 GMT
#2870
afk jungle farming is stupid nowadays. junglers are just roamers with the ability to take buff camps. if you're not camping lanes like a giant asshole, you're doing it wrong.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 10 2012 16:44 GMT
#2871
Speaking of junglers, I'm such a bad Shaco player. Or unlucky, one of the two. I'll always end up sitting by a lane that has no ganking potential for like two minutes waiting for a good moment, and as soon as I walk away my teammate gets pushed to the tower.

Conversely, whenever I see all lanes pushed and decide to go steal a jungle camp is exactly when the enemy jungler and one of the laners decide to walk through the jungle at the same time and kill me before I can Deceive over the wall.

Too squishy for my playstyle, I guess.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
January 10 2012 16:44 GMT
#2872
On January 11 2012 01:40 Mogwai wrote:
afk jungle farming is stupid nowadays. junglers are just roamers with the ability to take buff camps. if you're not camping lanes like a giant asshole, you're doing it wrong.


What? Pretty sure every pro jungler disagrees.
=O
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 16:45:52
January 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#2873
On January 11 2012 01:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 01:27 Requizen wrote:
Viktor changes in lunar patch, only balance bits:

Viktor
-base mana regen per 5 seconds increased to 6.9 from 4.3
-basic attack frame has been improved to be more responsive
-fixed a bug with chaos storm where the opposing viktor could control your storm
-fixed a bug where gravity field's stun effect could not be cleansed
-improved death ray to be more responsive
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g

I haven't played him in a few days, but here's my thoughts. There are really only two noticeable things, manga regen and Death Ray. Mana regen is nice, should make his early game a bit less risky to cast during. However, it also devalues Gravity a bit more, I think Death is probably the better augment right now. When they responsiveness, I hope they mean Death Ray actually hitting the whole breadth of it's range, which it doesn't right now. I guess the attack frame thing is a buff, but I never really had a problem with that.

That said, I don't think it'll make him super desirable in one patch. He's still good, but I almost just feel that other casters (including Swain prominently) do his job better. He's not really a bursty mage outside of his Ult, and he doesn't really have sustained damage outside the fact that Q and E are somewhat short CDs. His biggest use right now is dropping W for team fights and Ulting squishy targets.

Better buffs would be increasing Q's missile speed (or making the shield instant), and/or increasing it's damage. Q is very underwhelming, overall.


These changes make me a very happy Viktor player. I never really had too many mana issues early, so the extra regen will just make me more confident early. I haven't had too many issues with his attack animation. Death Ray being more responsive will be AWESOME. So many times the ray has gone through things and not damaged it.

I never realized his augment was only 1000g, derpity derp, but I'll consider it a buff since I've been assuming I spend 1200 on it :3

I agree that his Q is fairly underwhelming on a survivability point, but it does a good amount of damage. Also, the burst on his level 3 ult is AWESOME. Last night, even T_D was like "holy shit where did all that burst come from?"


Could you go into a bit more details about how you play him? I haven't been able to pick him a lot, and I mainly tried him top as I felt his mp5 would make him weak against pushers. I generally got more or less destroyed as his stun is nowhere near as good as Swain's Q, W, or Ryze's W (it's better on ganks, but not when some sustainable bruiser rushes you, esp against gap closers).
Mid... mid I had a Gragas. 'nuff said.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 10 2012 16:46 GMT
#2874
On January 10 2012 16:36 deskscaress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 15:55 Cloud wrote:
Any garen hardcounters? What do you pick if someone goes fp garen?


garen is somewhat analagous to a 4pool in starcraft
he's extremely strong out of the gate, but he's a bit of an all-in
his lategame scaling is terrible/nonexistent and he doesn't bring a ton of utility to a team in the lategame phase

his whole role is to get far enough ahead of his lane (and in turn, the other lanes) that you can end the game during his peak of power, before enemy champs catch up.

with that in mind, good picks against garen are those that can
(a) match his early game power
(b) farm safely, negating his early game power
(c) scale harder off less farm

champs that fall into the category of (a) might be pantheon, shen. they can trade harass with him early and possibly even kill him, and scale about equally as well as he does

champs that fall into (b) are the ones that people listed above: teemo, swain, ryze. they're essentially safe against garen, making him a poor choice because his role is nullified

champs that are in (c) might get harassed and pushed around a bit but they won't get killed or completely shut down. somewhat of a mix between (a) and (c). riven is infinitely better lategame and with her mobility can be really hard for garen to lock up. pirate can play passively, never die to garen thanks to oranges, and farm up with parrrley, completely ignoring garen. nidalee.


that being said, i don't feel like any of these champions are "hardcounters" as you asked for - these are just things to think about when going against garen

I agree completely, I have a friend who has like a shit ton of games with him, easily one of the best garen players of all time. If you want to lane against a garen, here are some big tips. Garen's cooldowns are super long, abuse it. Bait his combo, and avoid the silence and the spin damage. Then burst all up in his shizznet, then back up and just farm again.
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 10 2012 16:47 GMT
#2875
On January 11 2012 01:40 Mogwai wrote:
afk jungle farming is stupid nowadays. junglers are just roamers with the ability to take buff camps. if you're not camping lanes like a giant asshole, you're doing it wrong.

Even if you get dragon at 5min?
liftlift > tsm
rizzla
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States45 Posts
January 10 2012 16:51 GMT
#2876
I'm not sure if this is the place for it or not, but someone brought up the TL LoL wiki earlier. Is there any reason that there can't be an "official" LoL wiki hosted on TL similar to the SC1 and SC2 wikis? If the rumors are true that the LoL subform may be getting an expansion somtime in the future, it seems fitting that perhaps the wiki gets moved in house.
League of Legends | rizzla23 | 1597 Highest ELO
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 17:00:46
January 10 2012 16:55 GMT
#2877
So I thought you were suppose to get a level of E on Skarner pre-4, at least that's what I had seen in all the guides but SV is level ten and has yet to level it.

Level 13 gets his first level of E.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 17:02:26
January 10 2012 17:00 GMT
#2878
On January 11 2012 01:45 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 01:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On January 11 2012 01:27 Requizen wrote:
Viktor changes in lunar patch, only balance bits:

Viktor
-base mana regen per 5 seconds increased to 6.9 from 4.3
-basic attack frame has been improved to be more responsive
-fixed a bug with chaos storm where the opposing viktor could control your storm
-fixed a bug where gravity field's stun effect could not be cleansed
-improved death ray to be more responsive
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g

I haven't played him in a few days, but here's my thoughts. There are really only two noticeable things, manga regen and Death Ray. Mana regen is nice, should make his early game a bit less risky to cast during. However, it also devalues Gravity a bit more, I think Death is probably the better augment right now. When they responsiveness, I hope they mean Death Ray actually hitting the whole breadth of it's range, which it doesn't right now. I guess the attack frame thing is a buff, but I never really had a problem with that.

That said, I don't think it'll make him super desirable in one patch. He's still good, but I almost just feel that other casters (including Swain prominently) do his job better. He's not really a bursty mage outside of his Ult, and he doesn't really have sustained damage outside the fact that Q and E are somewhat short CDs. His biggest use right now is dropping W for team fights and Ulting squishy targets.

Better buffs would be increasing Q's missile speed (or making the shield instant), and/or increasing it's damage. Q is very underwhelming, overall.


These changes make me a very happy Viktor player. I never really had too many mana issues early, so the extra regen will just make me more confident early. I haven't had too many issues with his attack animation. Death Ray being more responsive will be AWESOME. So many times the ray has gone through things and not damaged it.

I never realized his augment was only 1000g, derpity derp, but I'll consider it a buff since I've been assuming I spend 1200 on it :3

I agree that his Q is fairly underwhelming on a survivability point, but it does a good amount of damage. Also, the burst on his level 3 ult is AWESOME. Last night, even T_D was like "holy shit where did all that burst come from?"


Could you go into a bit more details about how you play him? I haven't been able to pick him a lot, and I mainly tried him top as I felt his mp5 would make him weak against pushers. I generally got more or less destroyed as his stun is nowhere near as good as Swain's Q, W, or Ryze's W (it's better on ganks, but not when some sustainable bruiser rushes you, esp against gap closers).
Mid... mid I had a Gragas. 'nuff said.

I generally tried to build him a bit tankier, something like Rylai's or WotA first -> Death Augment -> Rabadoodle/[WotA or Rylai's (whichever I didn't get)]. Death as augment, level E first, means you get some cheap AP and Death Ray hits like a bitch.

Worked pretty well for me. I'm not a great AP player, but I had mild to good success with this. You really only have 4 item slots (augment and boots taking the others, natch), so I found through trying all of them a handful of times that getting damage from Death and getting WotA and Rylai's for sustain/beef is nice. DC naturally, then Void Staff/DFG for damage, or Abyssal Scepter/Zhonya's for more defense.

Edit:
On January 11 2012 01:55 mordek wrote:
So I thought you were suppose to get a level of E on Skarner pre-4, at least that's what I had seen in all the guides but SV is level ten and has yet to level it.

Level 13 gets his first level of E.



Hell, I get it at 2, makes clearing quicker and gives sustain when farming. I guess if you're only ganking, you might want QW maxed first, but E is still pretty decent as far as damage goes.
It's your boy Guzma!
kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
January 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#2879

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 01:24 Attakijing wrote:
hey who are the 3 fastest junglers in the new jungle

For speed, Skarner, Phoenixdyr, and probably Shyvana. Shy really lacks ganks, though.


These and Cho
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#2880
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