[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 144

On January 11 2012 01:22 TheYango wrote:

It's called "Dragon Fist Lee Sin"--"Dragon Fist" is actually the name of an old Jackie Chan movie.

On January 11 2012 01:29 Attakijing wrote:
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g
wtf.

On January 11 2012 01:27 Requizen wrote:
Viktor changes in lunar patch, only balance bits:

Viktor
-base mana regen per 5 seconds increased to 6.9 from 4.3
-basic attack frame has been improved to be more responsive
-fixed a bug with chaos storm where the opposing viktor could control your storm
-fixed a bug where gravity field's stun effect could not be cleansed
-improved death ray to be more responsive
-fixed a bug where viktor's augments displayed a cost of 1200g instead of 1000g

I haven't played him in a few days, but here's my thoughts. There are really only two noticeable things, manga regen and Death Ray. Mana regen is nice, should make his early game a bit less risky to cast during. However, it also devalues Gravity a bit more, I think Death is probably the better augment right now. When they responsiveness, I hope they mean Death Ray actually hitting the whole breadth of it's range, which it doesn't right now. I guess the attack frame thing is a buff, but I never really had a problem with that.

That said, I don't think it'll make him super desirable in one patch. He's still good, but I almost just feel that other casters (including Swain prominently) do his job better. He's not really a bursty mage outside of his Ult, and he doesn't really have sustained damage outside the fact that Q and E are somewhat short CDs. His biggest use right now is dropping W for team fights and Ulting squishy targets.

Better buffs would be increasing Q's missile speed (or making the shield instant), and/or increasing it's damage. Q is very underwhelming, overall.


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For speed, Skarner, Phoenixdyr, and probably Shyvana. Shy really lacks ganks, though.

On January 11 2012 01:40 Mogwai wrote:
afk jungle farming is stupid nowadays. junglers are just roamers with the ability to take buff camps. if you're not camping lanes like a giant asshole, you're doing it wrong.

On January 11 2012 01:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:


These changes make me a very happy Viktor player. I never really had too many mana issues early, so the extra regen will just make me more confident early. I haven't had too many issues with his attack animation. Death Ray being more responsive will be AWESOME. So many times the ray has gone through things and not damaged it.

I never realized his augment was only 1000g, derpity derp, but I'll consider it a buff since I've been assuming I spend 1200 on it :3

I agree that his Q is fairly underwhelming on a survivability point, but it does a good amount of damage. Also, the burst on his level 3 ult is AWESOME. Last night, even T_D was like "holy shit where did all that burst come from?"

On January 10 2012 16:36 deskscaress wrote:


garen is somewhat analagous to a 4pool in starcraft
he's extremely strong out of the gate, but he's a bit of an all-in
his lategame scaling is terrible/nonexistent and he doesn't bring a ton of utility to a team in the lategame phase

his whole role is to get far enough ahead of his lane (and in turn, the other lanes) that you can end the game during his peak of power, before enemy champs catch up.

with that in mind, good picks against garen are those that can
(a) match his early game power
(b) farm safely, negating his early game power
(c) scale harder off less farm

champs that fall into the category of (a) might be pantheon, shen. they can trade harass with him early and possibly even kill him, and scale about equally as well as he does

champs that fall into (b) are the ones that people listed above: teemo, swain, ryze. they're essentially safe against garen, making him a poor choice because his role is nullified

champs that are in (c) might get harassed and pushed around a bit but they won't get killed or completely shut down. somewhat of a mix between (a) and (c). riven is infinitely better lategame and with her mobility can be really hard for garen to lock up. pirate can play passively, never die to garen thanks to oranges, and farm up with parrrley, completely ignoring garen. nidalee.


that being said, i don't feel like any of these champions are "hardcounters" as you asked for - these are just things to think about when going against garen

On January 11 2012 01:40 Mogwai wrote:
afk jungle farming is stupid nowadays. junglers are just roamers with the ability to take buff camps. if you're not camping lanes like a giant asshole, you're doing it wrong.

On January 11 2012 01:45 Alaric wrote:


Could you go into a bit more details about how you play him? I haven't been able to pick him a lot, and I mainly tried him top as I felt his mp5 would make him weak against pushers. I generally got more or less destroyed as his stun is nowhere near as good as Swain's Q, W, or Ryze's W (it's better on ganks, but not when some sustainable bruiser rushes you, esp against gap closers).
Mid... mid I had a Gragas. 'nuff said.

On January 11 2012 01:55 mordek wrote:
So I thought you were suppose to get a level of E on Skarner pre-4, at least that's what I had seen in all the guides but SV is level ten and has yet to level it.

Level 13 gets his first level of E.

For speed, Skarner, Phoenixdyr, and probably Shyvana. Shy really lacks ganks, though.