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On January 07 2012 12:24 Shikyo wrote:
Skarner
Attack Speed per level increased to 2.1% from 1.44%
Energize will no longer activate when attacking Towers.
Crystal Slash Mana cost decreased to 15 at all ranks from 22/24/26/28/30
Fracture will now heal Skarner if Fracture kills its target.
Impale duration increased to 1.75 from 1.5 seconds
Skarner
Crystal Slash: Physical Damage increased to 25/40/55/70/85 from 20/35/50/65/80
Crystal Slash: Magic Damage increased to 24/36/48/60/72 from 20/32/44/56/68
Fracture: Missile Speed increased to 1800 from 1600
These are the buffs that Skarner has had since he was considered trash tier, though he's been this strong for a few months now.
In my opinion they should just try changing the Q mana cost back to how it was and reducing the ulti duration back to 1.5
That should help in keeping his overall strenght pretty much the same but would reduce the "even-an-idiot-can-carry-with-him" factor he has.
What I read was
1) Trash tier
2) Got these buffs
3) Slightly OP
3) Remove 2/3 useful buffs
4) Balanced ?????
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Actually, Shaco is the most imbalance champion in the game seriously. I don't understand riot sometimes : Eve's stealth takes 1,5 second to kick in and that cd can be reboot anytime by one damage, twitch need some time too... Why is shaco has a stealth that not only is instant, but also teleport him ? That's the most op shit I ever saw.
I don't even know how to prevent a gank from him, if he is good enough he will not take a normal path and any ward will be useless.
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On January 07 2012 12:24 Shikyo wrote:
Skarner
Attack Speed per level increased to 2.1% from 1.44%
Energize will no longer activate when attacking Towers.
Crystal Slash Mana cost decreased to 15 at all ranks from 22/24/26/28/30
Fracture will now heal Skarner if Fracture kills its target.
Impale duration increased to 1.75 from 1.5 seconds
Skarner
Crystal Slash: Physical Damage increased to 25/40/55/70/85 from 20/35/50/65/80
Crystal Slash: Magic Damage increased to 24/36/48/60/72 from 20/32/44/56/68
Fracture: Missile Speed increased to 1800 from 1600
These are the buffs that Skarner has had since he was considered trash tier, though he's been this strong for a few months now.
In my opinion they should just try changing the Q mana cost back to how it was and reducing the ulti duration back to 1.5
That should help in keeping his overall strenght pretty much the same but would reduce the "even-an-idiot-can-carry-with-him" factor he has.
missle speed is nothing, never miss with that shit and an increase of about 5 dps. 0.25 secs on ult and a tiny mana buff. if he is now the best char in the game he was never trash tier
his ganks are worse than rammus's his team fight dps is comparable and he has no defence steroid. i think you are just buttfrustrated rather than skarner being some god mode champ
loci is streaming, everyone tune in to support.. super manner, last hits better than anyone and posts on TL. what a hero
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On January 07 2012 12:41 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 12:24 Shikyo wrote:
Skarner
Attack Speed per level increased to 2.1% from 1.44%
Energize will no longer activate when attacking Towers.
Crystal Slash Mana cost decreased to 15 at all ranks from 22/24/26/28/30
Fracture will now heal Skarner if Fracture kills its target.
Impale duration increased to 1.75 from 1.5 seconds
Skarner
Crystal Slash: Physical Damage increased to 25/40/55/70/85 from 20/35/50/65/80
Crystal Slash: Magic Damage increased to 24/36/48/60/72 from 20/32/44/56/68
Fracture: Missile Speed increased to 1800 from 1600
These are the buffs that Skarner has had since he was considered trash tier, though he's been this strong for a few months now.
In my opinion they should just try changing the Q mana cost back to how it was and reducing the ulti duration back to 1.5
That should help in keeping his overall strenght pretty much the same but would reduce the "even-an-idiot-can-carry-with-him" factor he has. missle speed is nothing, never miss with that shit and an increase of about 5 dps. 0.25 secs on ult and a tiny mana buff. if he is now the best char in the game he was never trash tier his ganks are worse than rammus's his team fight dps is comparable and he has no defence steroid. i think you are just buttfrustrated rather than skarner being some god mode champ loci is streaming, everyone tune in to support.. super manner, last hits better than anyone and posts on TL. what a hero
The big buff was Q's mana cost. His skillset is dependent on autoing and spamming his abilities, but with Q being double the price before, he'd run oom. Now, he can spam it and clear at the stupidest rate.
The Fracture healing on kill thing was also big, if you mis-timed it before, it would be a waste.
And of course the AS buff synergyzing with his kit. ~.5% per level.
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i agree, his Q is the biggest change of it all. If you played Skarner it'd be obvious how powerful this spell is at such a low cost, pretty much no one can escape you if your inrange of your Q.
Just maybe increase his manacost a little bit?
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fracture healing isnt a buff directed at him, if you look thats a global change to all abilities that apply healing marks on targets. QoL change not a skarner buff.
i dont believe skarners clear rates are that obscene, and he is hurt the most by giving up blue over any other common jungle. so having this spammable style is a double edged sword
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On January 07 2012 13:03 Requizen wrote:
The Fracture healing on kill thing was also big, if you mis-timed it before, it would be a waste.
It made a difference in the old jungle. With the new jungle, healing 30 less HP on like 1 camp is not that big of a deal.
With regard to changing Skarner--I can see why they changed the Q mana cost to not scale--but I don't see why they cut 7 mana from the cost ON TOP of that.
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Kinda feels like a quick change for the masses without really testing kind of thing.
I mean, if you read the forums when Skarner was out; those threads man, if it was TL there'd be a looot of bans.
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The biggest buff was the mana cost reduction and the 0.25 duration increase on his ulti. The latter was a good buff considering how 1.5 seconds is retardedly short for an ultimate. The mana cost buff is retarded. Skarner now basically doesn't use mana. Riot can't completely undo the changes because then Skarner's costs are just too prohibitively high; imo changing the mana costs from 15 to 20 would help. Honestly though, his kit is kinda the same problem Riot faced with Xin Zhao; it's inherently imba/easy to use so balancing it is a terror. His passive of autoattacks = cdr is just ridiculous and is a large part of what makes him so strong.
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On January 07 2012 12:41 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 12:24 Shikyo wrote:
Skarner
Attack Speed per level increased to 2.1% from 1.44%
Energize will no longer activate when attacking Towers.
Crystal Slash Mana cost decreased to 15 at all ranks from 22/24/26/28/30
Fracture will now heal Skarner if Fracture kills its target.
Impale duration increased to 1.75 from 1.5 seconds
Skarner
Crystal Slash: Physical Damage increased to 25/40/55/70/85 from 20/35/50/65/80
Crystal Slash: Magic Damage increased to 24/36/48/60/72 from 20/32/44/56/68
Fracture: Missile Speed increased to 1800 from 1600
These are the buffs that Skarner has had since he was considered trash tier, though he's been this strong for a few months now.
In my opinion they should just try changing the Q mana cost back to how it was and reducing the ulti duration back to 1.5
That should help in keeping his overall strenght pretty much the same but would reduce the "even-an-idiot-can-carry-with-him" factor he has. missle speed is nothing, never miss with that shit and an increase of about 5 dps. 0.25 secs on ult and a tiny mana buff. if he is now the best char in the game he was never trash tier his ganks are worse than rammus's his team fight dps is comparable and he has no defence steroid. i think you are just buttfrustrated rather than skarner being some god mode champ loci is streaming, everyone tune in to support.. super manner, last hits better than anyone and posts on TL. what a hero
I know he never was trash tier, it's the seam deal that was with Riven and Orianna and whatnot. However I think they went overboard with buffing him.
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On January 07 2012 11:54 Requizen wrote:
Alright, Udyr is frustrating as hell. As annoying as he is fun. Sometimes, you run in and tank damage like a boss, stunning everything and shielding damage. The rest of the time, you realize you just get focused down because you're Udyr and you can't do anything other than run in a line and autoattack. Fun when it works, frustrating when it doesn't.
So I bought Shaco >.>
Teach me how to clown.
The mentality of playing shaco is to think you're The Joker. Now be as annoying, frustrating and crazy as possible. Win.
Also I love taking smite-teleport on shaco. With other stuff like PD/Tri force and maybe mobility boots (if they don't have too much cc) you can be everywhere at once.
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Is it just me or does Katarina's in game model remind anyone of Knuckles
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On January 07 2012 13:53 Bladeorade wrote:
Is it just me or does Katarina's in game model remind anyone of Knuckles
now that you mention it.... it does.
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ok I just tried out nocturne and he's sooo good. Like the steroids from his q are insane + the bonus attack speed and spell shield from w is no joke either. With just zerkers and wriggle's he does crazy damage. He's got nice pushing power mid game, jungles fairly fast and has insane ganks. Thank god people don't pay him that often.
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Has Loci ever played support? I don't catch his stream that often, but I rarely see him leave middle unless he's playing pantheon.
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i don't see the knuckles in it.
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On January 07 2012 13:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 11:54 Requizen wrote:
Alright, Udyr is frustrating as hell. As annoying as he is fun. Sometimes, you run in and tank damage like a boss, stunning everything and shielding damage. The rest of the time, you realize you just get focused down because you're Udyr and you can't do anything other than run in a line and autoattack. Fun when it works, frustrating when it doesn't.
So I bought Shaco >.>
Teach me how to clown. The mentality of playing shaco is to think you're The Joker. Now be as annoying, frustrating and crazy as possible. Win. god damn am i sick of shaco players that think like this. The guys saying "why so serious" are always the same guys that get really angry when they build glass cannon with all their early game kills and then rage like crazy when their team doesn't know how to take advantage of it and they lose in late game. and that's if they do well. just play a real role instead of this dumb thing that's going to be remade.
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On January 07 2012 14:12 Attakijing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 13:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 07 2012 11:54 Requizen wrote:
Alright, Udyr is frustrating as hell. As annoying as he is fun. Sometimes, you run in and tank damage like a boss, stunning everything and shielding damage. The rest of the time, you realize you just get focused down because you're Udyr and you can't do anything other than run in a line and autoattack. Fun when it works, frustrating when it doesn't.
So I bought Shaco >.>
Teach me how to clown. The mentality of playing shaco is to think you're The Joker. Now be as annoying, frustrating and crazy as possible. Win. god damn am i sick of shaco players that think like this. The guys saying "why so serious" are always the same guys that get really angry when they build glass cannon with all their early game kills and then rage like crazy when their team doesn't know how to take advantage of it and they lose in late game. and that's if they do well. just play a real role instead of this dumb thing that's going to be remade. why so serious? lololol
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