EPTSo I bought Shaco >.>
Teach me how to clown.
[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 103
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
So I bought Shaco >.> Teach me how to clown. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 07 2012 11:41 Offhand wrote: What are the best, most OP bullshit gank champions? Time to rethink how ELO works. Playing carries when people don't even know to peel (or even what that is if you asked them) isn't going to get me out of 1100. find someone who plays a good Sona, pick Tristana, always win bot lane, no peels necessary | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 07 2012 11:54 Requizen wrote: Alright, Udyr is frustrating as hell. As annoying as he is fun. Sometimes, you run in and tank damage like a boss, stunning everything and shielding damage. The rest of the time, you realize you just get focused down because you're Udyr and you can't do anything other than run in a line and autoattack. Fun when it works, frustrating when it doesn't. So I bought Shaco >.> Teach me how to clown. Should have bought Skarner instead, free teamfight victory every 80 seconds Oh but about shaco, you basically just gank every lane nonstop and get kills and then build AP and solo baron at 15min and then use the baron buff to get like 10 kills and 2 inhibitors and they surrender at 20 | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 07 2012 11:54 Requizen wrote: Alright, Udyr is frustrating as hell. As annoying as he is fun. Sometimes, you run in and tank damage like a boss, stunning everything and shielding damage. The rest of the time, you realize you just get focused down because you're Udyr and you can't do anything other than run in a line and autoattack. Fun when it works, frustrating when it doesn't. So I bought Shaco >.> Teach me how to clown. 3x AD Red 6x ArP Red 9x Armor Yellow 9x AS Blue 3x AD Quint Boots 3 pots. 4 boxes at red, run to wolves, 1 box at wolves, do them at 1:40. Have your AD hit red after boxes aggro'd them 2-3 times, do blue with a box+smite. Run to a lane, wait till a creep dies. You're now lvl 3 before anyone hit 2. Be an annoying fucker like you're supposed to. Also: Shikyo real mad. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
That's so mind-bogglingly dumb my head hurts. Plus they assume you've got Power in their teamfighting pieces of advice while they advocate to never get it. Meh. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 07 2012 11:59 Zhiroo wrote: I bought Udyr. I'm never gonna play another champion now. Yeah, he's really fun, but I'm only gonna play him with friends. I can't play him with pubs, he needs a decent team with communication to work. On January 07 2012 11:56 Shikyo wrote: Should have bought Skarner instead, free teamfight victory every 80 seconds Oh but about shaco, you basically just gank every lane nonstop and get kills and then build AP and solo baron at 15min and then use the baron buff to get like 10 kills and 2 inhibitors and they surrender at 20 I has Skarner, as my quote shows. He's fun, but I need a change. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:02 Alaric wrote: Ugh, I just peeked at those Viktor guides... the most voted for says that Death>Gravity because the range buff is basically useless and don't bring much? That's so mind-bogglingly dumb my head hurts. Plus they assume you've got Power in their teamfighting pieces of advice while they advocate to never get it. Meh. I agree that the range upgrade doesn't really give much, it's still not going to be of much use unless the enemies jump on you, and only in the extremely rare circumstances where you're chasing but they're out of range of normal W but in range of the augmented W is it going to be useful. It's much much more useful in my opinion to have all your spells increase in damage, with E becoming crazy strong. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:00 Shiv. wrote: 3x AD Red 6x ArP Red 9x Armor Yellow 9x AS Blue 3x AD Quint Boots 3 pots. 4 boxes at red, run to wolves, 1 box at wolves, do them at 1:40. Have your AD hit red after boxes aggro'd them 2-3 times, do blue with a box+smite. Run to a lane, wait till a creep dies. You're now lvl 3 before anyone hit 2. Be an annoying fucker like you're supposed to. Also: Shikyo real mad. That sounds complicated.... but insanely funny. Now I need to save for runes. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 07 2012 11:54 starfries wrote: find someone who plays a good Sona, pick Tristana, always win bot lane, no peels necessary I now know what peel means  + Show Spoiler + Getting yucky enemy champion skin off your banana carry. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:08 Requizen wrote: That sounds complicated.... but insanely funny. Now I need to save for runes. Actually pretty easy. You need to not derp when the game starts, get running as soon as possible and then you're golden. For builds, it depends. Wriggles+Zerkers (Mobility boots are mad overrated on Shaco in my opinion, mainly due to his ult), I like to throw in an early Bruta for the ArP and CDR, then I go for Triforce. Phage -> Sheen -> Zeal. Ghostblade is an option, I don't like it, though. Then, build accordingly to their team. this guide has helped me a lot understanding how to play and build Shaco, by the way. It's outdated but the mindset it suggests still applies imo. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Or you can go ahead and do 5 boxes in red, smite big wraith and do wraiths while your boxes kill red for you and you can go ahead and gank with red. Both approaches dont rely on your teammates, and allow for the most options afterwards. Red will give you a better gank, while blue has more disruption possibilities overall. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:14 Two_DoWn wrote: The slightly more standard shaco approach involves throwing 2 boxes at wolves and 3 in blue, then you pick up q. You can gank or go and kill the enemy jungle at their wraiths and red. Or you can go ahead and do 5 boxes in red, smite big wraith and do wraiths while your boxes kill red for you and you can go ahead and gank with red. Both approaches dont rely on your teammates, and allow for the most options afterwards. Red will give you a better gank, while blue has more disruption possibilities overall. That's how it used to be in the old jungle, but why would you do that given the possibility to hit 3 with a doublebuff before anyone hits 2? I'm sincerely interested because I'm still trying to figure out the best opening in the new jungle and I have yet to find anything more convincing than what I suggested. Edit: you don't get doublebuff later than their jungler gets his blue, you theoretically still have the option to just go fucking kill him. I don't see why you wouldn't do it. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
If he was to get nerfed; what is the best way to nerf him? I mean if Riot does something again it feels like he's gonna get back to that trash tier feeling. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:11 Shiv. wrote: Actually pretty easy. You need to not derp when the game starts, get running as soon as possible and then you're golden. For builds, it depends. Wriggles+Zerkers (Mobility boots are mad overrated on Shaco in my opinion, mainly due to his ult), I like to throw in an early Bruta for the ArP and CDR, then I go for Triforce. Phage -> Sheen -> Zeal. Ghostblade is an option, I don't like it, though. Then, build accordingly to their team. this guide has helped me a lot understanding how to play and build Shaco, by the way. It's outdated but the mindset it suggests still applies imo. Heh, the only thing that I thought felt complicated was box placement and timing. Something to get used to, I suppose. Alright, say you don't have full AS blues. What's the fallout of that? Can I still pull off the jungle route? | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:20 Requizen wrote: Heh, the only thing that I thought felt complicated was box placement and timing. Something to get used to, I suppose. Alright, say you don't have full AS blues. What's the fallout of that? Can I still pull off the jungle route? You might need some help at wolves I guess, I don't really know since I have never tried it without them. I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect your initial jungle clear as much as your ganking, teamfight and splitpush presence, though. Edit: You'll have box placement down after a game or two. It's really that easy. You have to take into account where the two little lizards spawn so your boxes aren't placed next to them but behind the big one and that's basically the most ''difficult'' thing to do about the whole route. At wolves, place the box right into them and wait outside of their cove for your box to fear them right in your direction. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Attack Speed per level increased to 2.1% from 1.44% Energize will no longer activate when attacking Towers. Crystal Slash Mana cost decreased to 15 at all ranks from 22/24/26/28/30 Fracture will now heal Skarner if Fracture kills its target. Impale duration increased to 1.75 from 1.5 seconds Skarner Crystal Slash: Physical Damage increased to 25/40/55/70/85 from 20/35/50/65/80 Crystal Slash: Magic Damage increased to 24/36/48/60/72 from 20/32/44/56/68 Fracture: Missile Speed increased to 1800 from 1600 These are the buffs that Skarner has had since he was considered trash tier, though he's been this strong for a few months now. In my opinion they should just try changing the Q mana cost back to how it was and reducing the ulti duration back to 1.5 That should help in keeping his overall strenght pretty much the same but would reduce the "even-an-idiot-can-carry-with-him" factor he has. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:17 Shiv. wrote: That's how it used to be in the old jungle, but why would you do that given the possibility to hit 3 with a doublebuff before anyone hits 2? I'm sincerely interested because I'm still trying to figure out the best opening in the new jungle and I have yet to find anything more convincing than what I suggested. Edit: you don't get doublebuff later than their jungler gets his blue, you theoretically still have the option to just go fucking kill him. I don't see why you wouldn't do it. Reasons I dont like the double buff route- 1- It doesnt reset your red. 2- If they chose to invade anywhere, you are fucked because you have to secure your entire jungle, instead of just half. 3- It gives you a super huge power lull. You dont need double buffs at level 2 to get a kill. You just need one. Blue lets you attempt multiple ganks, while red increases the chances of your individual gank, but hurts the overall clear. If you get both at level 1, you have a 2 minute window where you HAVE to make something happen. If you dont you are going to be behind the enemy jungle because they will be buffed for longer than you will. But instead if you spread the buffs a bit you can prolong your jungle speed (blue) or increase your gank power (red) without wasting either one. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
blue is the super powerful farm/counterjungle buff red is the super powerful gank buff I don't see the point in taking both, and then wasting one of the two (blue if you gank, red if you farm). If you take double buff at level one i feel you should head into the enemy jungle asap | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:26 Two_DoWn wrote: Reasons I dont like the double buff route- 1- It doesnt reset your red. 2- If they chose to invade anywhere, you are fucked because you have to secure your entire jungle, instead of just half. 3- It gives you a super huge power lull. You dont need double buffs at level 2 to get a kill. You just need one. Blue lets you attempt multiple ganks, while red increases the chances of your individual gank, but hurts the overall clear. If you get both at level 1, you have a 2 minute window where you HAVE to make something happen. If you dont you are going to be behind the enemy jungle because they will be buffed for longer than you will. But instead if you spread the buffs a bit you can prolong your jungle speed (blue) or increase your gank power (red) without wasting either one. Thanks for the elaboration, it really makes sense. I have been pretty successful so far. I usually have the moment of surprise because no one seems to expect it and that generally puts me ahead. The way I see it, Shaco is a high risk high reward type of champ anyway. I like going all out aggressive on him and this route allows the most possible early game domination. I see where you're coming from though and your arguments are perfectly reasonable. Thanks. | ||
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