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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 16 2011 19:10 GMT
#1341
On December 17 2011 04:09 OnceKing wrote:
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On December 17 2011 03:29 Slaughter wrote:
Is it true that in ranked play the order of who picks champs is determined by Elo?

First pick is highest ELO on team, other four picks are randomized.

I'm 99.9% sure that it just goes in order of elo.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 16 2011 19:16 GMT
#1342
What about when two people are on the same team with the same Elo?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 16 2011 19:19 GMT
#1343
On December 17 2011 04:16 Sabin010 wrote:
What about when two people are on the same team with the same Elo?

Doesn't happen, if it does, you're either 2/3th pick or 4/5th pick depending on if your team had first pick or not.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 16 2011 19:20 GMT
#1344
On December 17 2011 03:36 mordek wrote:
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On December 17 2011 03:31 UniversalSnip wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:03 Alzadar wrote:
On December 17 2011 02:58 mordek wrote:
Has anyone messed around with an AP Alistar build recently? Haven't been able to find much on it that's up-to-date.
Also, noob question since I'm just now starting to play Ali: How do you do the Headbutt->Pulv combo so that the pulv keeps them right next to you?


It's kind of tricky and takes a fair amount of practice to do it consistently, but basically you just want to press Q right as you start to lunge for the Headbutt.

Alisar's AP ratios are pretty bad though. 0.5 on Pulverize and 0.7 on Heabutt. I think if you want damage on Alistar, go for a combo like Sunfire + Abyssal, gives you some nice tanky stats while also having synergy with your passive.


assassin build quite good too, I've been running it on him out of the jungle forever and it's pretty scary. get a vamp scepter, triforce and bruta, press R and leap on their squishies in every fight. Don't think I've ever actually tried tank alistar with expensive items, could be fun though.

I guess the real question is what lane he's coming out of. If he's in duo lane he needs a support build with 1 or 2 gp5 and cdr, if jungle assassin build, if solo lane I guess assassin or maybe tank.


Skill order and items for jungle assassin?


QEW Q > W > E, pace your spells for passive damage. He's blue reliant early and he tapers off a bit late game, otherwise pretty amazing jungler.

I usually go wriggles triforce bruta and then either a tank item or finish ghostblade, but I've been thinking the wriggles might be unnecessary with new jungle. Might be better to just get a vamp scepter and go straight to sheen, or build a philo, would help with his mana problems a lot.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 19:28:44
December 16 2011 19:25 GMT
#1345
On December 17 2011 04:09 OnceKing wrote:
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On December 17 2011 03:29 Slaughter wrote:
Is it true that in ranked play the order of who picks champs is determined by Elo?

First pick is highest ELO on team, other four picks are randomized.

Nope. It is entirely by order of Elo (which is not an acronym, either).

Doesn't happen, if it does, you're either 2/3th pick or 4/5th pick depending on if your team had first pick or not.

Don't be ridiculous; There are huge globs of people at the same Elo in the lower (technically, average) regions of like 1000-1200. You wouldn't skip over someone in queue because they happen to have the same Elo as someone else on the team. I don't know what the tie-breaker is, though.
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Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
December 16 2011 19:30 GMT
#1346
omg servers ALWAYS busy all a sudden
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 19:33:44
December 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#1347
It's almost like winter break is starting.

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OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 19:38:21
December 16 2011 19:36 GMT
#1348
On December 17 2011 04:25 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 04:09 OnceKing wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:29 Slaughter wrote:
Is it true that in ranked play the order of who picks champs is determined by Elo?

First pick is highest ELO on team, other four picks are randomized.

Nope. It is entirely by order of Elo (which is not an acronym, either).

Show nested quote +
Doesn't happen, if it does, you're either 2/3th pick or 4/5th pick depending on if your team had first pick or not.

Don't be ridiculous; There are huge globs of people at the same Elo in the lower (technically, average) regions of like 1000-1200. You wouldn't skip over someone in queue because they happen to have the same Elo as someone else on the team. I don't know what the tie-breaker is, though.

Oops I'll make sure to remember the thing about it not being an acronym.
The official website seems to disagree on the Elo top-down thing though (http://competitive.leagueoflegends.com/season-two-FAQ)
What determines the ban and pick order of my team?

In Solo/Duo Queue competition, the highest rated player on each team will always be given the privilege of choosing the bans and picking first. The remainder of the pick order is randomly constructed by the matchmaking system.

In team play, the organizing player will choose bans and pick first. The other players will pick in the order that they were invited to the group. In this way, the organizing player of a given play session is always able to tailor the picking order to their liking.

EDIT: As for tie-breaker I'd expect it's going to be one of either #wins, win ratio, or w/l differential
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 16 2011 19:40 GMT
#1349
On December 17 2011 04:25 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 04:09 OnceKing wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:29 Slaughter wrote:
Is it true that in ranked play the order of who picks champs is determined by Elo?

First pick is highest ELO on team, other four picks are randomized.

Nope. It is entirely by order of Elo (which is not an acronym, either).

Show nested quote +
Doesn't happen, if it does, you're either 2/3th pick or 4/5th pick depending on if your team had first pick or not.

Don't be ridiculous; There are huge globs of people at the same Elo in the lower (technically, average) regions of like 1000-1200. You wouldn't skip over someone in queue because they happen to have the same Elo as someone else on the team. I don't know what the tie-breaker is, though.

There are 2 teams and tons of players online @ the same time with different elo aswell, I've just never seen someone have the same elo after the match and if they had the same elo before the match, they should have identical elo afterwards aswell.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 16 2011 19:42 GMT
#1350
Guess i cant play league anymore which is kinda sad, since ahri patch the game just constantly crashes on the main client thing -_-.

looked up alot of things and ended up just reinstalling and its still doing it.

anyone else having this problem?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 16 2011 19:49 GMT
#1351
On December 17 2011 04:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 03:36 mordek wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:31 UniversalSnip wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:03 Alzadar wrote:
On December 17 2011 02:58 mordek wrote:
Has anyone messed around with an AP Alistar build recently? Haven't been able to find much on it that's up-to-date.
Also, noob question since I'm just now starting to play Ali: How do you do the Headbutt->Pulv combo so that the pulv keeps them right next to you?


It's kind of tricky and takes a fair amount of practice to do it consistently, but basically you just want to press Q right as you start to lunge for the Headbutt.

Alisar's AP ratios are pretty bad though. 0.5 on Pulverize and 0.7 on Heabutt. I think if you want damage on Alistar, go for a combo like Sunfire + Abyssal, gives you some nice tanky stats while also having synergy with your passive.


assassin build quite good too, I've been running it on him out of the jungle forever and it's pretty scary. get a vamp scepter, triforce and bruta, press R and leap on their squishies in every fight. Don't think I've ever actually tried tank alistar with expensive items, could be fun though.

I guess the real question is what lane he's coming out of. If he's in duo lane he needs a support build with 1 or 2 gp5 and cdr, if jungle assassin build, if solo lane I guess assassin or maybe tank.


Skill order and items for jungle assassin?


QEW Q > W > E, pace your spells for passive damage. He's blue reliant early and he tapers off a bit late game, otherwise pretty amazing jungler.

I usually go wriggles triforce bruta and then either a tank item or finish ghostblade, but I've been thinking the wriggles might be unnecessary with new jungle. Might be better to just get a vamp scepter and go straight to sheen, or build a philo, would help with his mana problems a lot.

Gracias!
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 16 2011 20:10 GMT
#1352
I think they claim it is randomized, but I really dont think that it is. Duo q always puts the higher ahead of the lower, even in cases with multiple duo qs on the same team. I think they just dont want to foster the whole "5th pick is worst on the team" thing.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 20:14:16
December 16 2011 20:14 GMT
#1353
On December 17 2011 04:42 arb wrote:
Guess i cant play league anymore which is kinda sad, since ahri patch the game just constantly crashes on the main client thing -_-.

looked up alot of things and ended up just reinstalling and its still doing it.

anyone else having this problem?

damn that sucks ass
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
December 16 2011 20:17 GMT
#1354
Why does nobody ever use the tech support thread for tech support help?
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 20:34:37
December 16 2011 20:33 GMT
#1355
On December 17 2011 05:17 Craton wrote:
Why does nobody ever use the tech support thread for tech support help?

Because nobody would give a living s*** about it in a SC2 oriented tech-support forum ? :D

EDIT : OK, we have a LoL tech support thread. Nice to learn XD
The legend of Darien lives on
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 20:35:32
December 16 2011 20:34 GMT
#1356
The embarrassment of self realization outweighs the harsh words of an another.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
December 16 2011 20:39 GMT
#1357
On December 17 2011 04:04 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 03:46 napo wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:35 Nos- wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:32 napo wrote:
On December 17 2011 02:59 Nos- wrote:
Feels like positioning literally mean nothing to her. Most of the time she just sustains herself with her passive and low mana costs in lane, and then when she gets lucky with a Charm, rolls in with her ultimate and fox fire and just kills you. Perhaps I just need to get some heavy MR items against her? Not entirely sure how to deal with her yet.

Just hide always behind minions. If she hit 6 and gets you with charm, its pretty much over cause of the burst she has.


Well dodging her projectiles before she hits 6 isn't very hard, just stutterstep and dance around as per usual. However it's just when she does land a Charm or her ball thing, I either get disabled and die to her burst, or the ball hits me for 1/4 of my HP and i die to he burst anyways. I was playing solo mid against her as Veigar maybe that was more the issue than Ahri as a hero.
It's not the Q thingy, but her W that really hurts and its more reliable than the ball. True damage sounds nice, but its too easy to dodge it. Its better to miss 1-2 mobs, than face her combo and be killed/forced to bluepill.

W can't be controlled, Q can. A good player will hit you with a Q.
Same can be said about a good opponent. A good player will dodge your Q. But if you are moving towards the enemy and are in 200-300 range, for sure at least 2 foxes will hit him, even if opponents around. Moreover if you start your combo by charming him, meaning you have an opening on him. I would max W over Q all day long. But I think it's more of a playstyle question - both can be good, depending on your preference.

Btw, had first ranked with Ahri went 9-2 and managed to lose the game cause of noob jungler and AP vayne. ^_^ Shit happens I guess.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
December 16 2011 20:46 GMT
#1358
Poor Moonwrath. Puts all the time and effort into maintaining that thread and nobody realizes it exists.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 20:51:07
December 16 2011 20:50 GMT
#1359
On December 17 2011 04:04 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 03:46 napo wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:35 Nos- wrote:
On December 17 2011 03:32 napo wrote:
On December 17 2011 02:59 Nos- wrote:
Feels like positioning literally mean nothing to her. Most of the time she just sustains herself with her passive and low mana costs in lane, and then when she gets lucky with a Charm, rolls in with her ultimate and fox fire and just kills you. Perhaps I just need to get some heavy MR items against her? Not entirely sure how to deal with her yet.

Just hide always behind minions. If she hit 6 and gets you with charm, its pretty much over cause of the burst she has.


Well dodging her projectiles before she hits 6 isn't very hard, just stutterstep and dance around as per usual. However it's just when she does land a Charm or her ball thing, I either get disabled and die to her burst, or the ball hits me for 1/4 of my HP and i die to he burst anyways. I was playing solo mid against her as Veigar maybe that was more the issue than Ahri as a hero.
It's not the Q thingy, but her W that really hurts and its more reliable than the ball. True damage sounds nice, but its too easy to dodge it. Its better to miss 1-2 mobs, than face her combo and be killed/forced to bluepill.

W can't be controlled, Q can. A good player will hit you with a Q.

More like a good player will never let you hit them with both parts of a Q, that thing just isn't fast. MAYBE 1 part. If they're committing to a trade then you can usually get both ticks off. Thing is when she's diving on you at level 6+ she can probably hit a point blank charm pretty trivially and unload. Fortunately she doesnt have the damage to 100->0 champs, she has to wear them down a bit first (but her kit is more capable of the necessary attrition than some other AP assassins who are better at 100-0'ing people.) or she has to chase them long enough with R for some cooldowns to refresh.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 16 2011 20:51 GMT
#1360
On December 17 2011 05:17 Craton wrote:
Why does nobody ever use the tech support thread for tech support help?


cause this thread is a lot more active, you might end up waiting for awhile in tech support
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