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On December 20 2011 05:35 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes. he's good, but he can't carry as hard as other champs can. his damage drops off unless you go balls to teh wall AP and even then his damage isn't amazing and you get really squishy. galio ult is gamebreaking if landed well, but asides from that it's not as easy to carry with him as say Kassadin or other standard AP carries.
He doesn't have to carry hard, he cripples the enemy AP carry to the point where they're almost useless. Have you ever seen a 23 cs Leblanc with 1/2/1 at 25 minutes? Hilariously weak. How about a 2/1/1 Galio with 110 cs at 25 minutes? Not so weak.
Obviously a fringe case, I think the enemy LB dealt with it poorly. But Galio seems like a very powerful choice mid. His damage does scale off later in the game, but that's ok because he's incredibly beefy and has a game-winning ultimate.
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On December 20 2011 05:42 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes. he's good, but he can't carry as hard as other champs can. his damage drops off unless you go balls to teh wall AP and even then his damage isn't amazing and you get really squishy. galio ult is gamebreaking if landed well, but asides from that it's not as easy to carry with him as say Kassadin or other standard AP carries. He doesn't have to carry hard, he cripples the enemy AP carry to the point where they're almost useless. Have you ever seen a 23 cs Leblanc with 1/2/1 at 25 minutes? Hilariously weak. How about a 2/1/1 Galio with 110 cs at 25 minutes? Not so weak. Obviously a fringe case, I think the enemy LB dealt with it poorly. But Galio seems like a very powerful choice mid. His damage does scale off later in the game, but that's ok because he's incredibly beefy and has a game-winning ultimate.
Galio can't really shut someone down unless they're brain dead and don't know how to dodge Galio's skillshots. Galio's slow is pretty easy to dodge; his wind thing is harder to dodge but it doesn't do nearly as much damage. The vast vast majority of Galio's matchups end up as farm fest.
Galio can't reliably threaten a kill until lvl 6 and even then he'll usually need jungler to help him kill something.
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I think galio is good enough that he would be a prominent/popular solo queue pick if he were actually fun to play. I mean I can't buy any argument that he's bad... certainly wouldn't put him ace tier. But he's definitely underrepresented compared to most champs at his power level
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On December 20 2011 05:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
I think galio is good enough that he would be a prominent/popular solo queue pick if he were actually fun to play. I mean I can't buy any argument that he's bad... certainly wouldn't put him ace tier. But he's definitely underrepresented compared to most champs at his power level
I doubt that's really a factor, with the amount of Sonas and Caitlyns that I see...
People just don't want to shell out 6300 IP for a non-carry.
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On December 20 2011 05:49 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
I think galio is good enough that he would be a prominent/popular solo queue pick if he were actually fun to play. I mean I can't buy any argument that he's bad... certainly wouldn't put him ace tier. But he's definitely underrepresented compared to most champs at his power level I doubt that's really a factor, with the amount of Sonas and Caitlyns that I see... People just don't want to shell out 6300 IP for a non-carry.
Yep. When I first started playing, Galio was free that week and I was like, I'm going to buy this guy I like him. Then I go to the store and see the IP price. Yeah, just going to play him on free weeks.
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On December 20 2011 05:28 Sabin010 wrote:
With the old masteries you would hit 38% cdr with ghostblade and frozen heart which is the threshold for hitting 4 q's off of an e. You can only get 3 with 37%. The point I was trying to make is SoS was so good in the old tree on Urgot. If you were to do a 21 attack variation on him I would problebly end up skipping the crit damage mastery in favor of cdr, as he isn't going to be building IE and PD to make use of those crit stats. There must be some way to make use of SoS with 19 in utility and 11 in attack, but mastermind is still good on Urgot because having flash makes your ult stronger, like you can ult flash over the wall and weq some one from a spot you can't be touched from.
i'm actually pretty sure you're wrong. you have 5 seconds to hit 4 q's, which means q has to come off cooldown 3 times (the cd of the 4th q doesn't matter), which means @ 30% cdr, 3 q's is 4.2 seconds, giving you a total 0.8 second buffer for landing time and time between q's. I dont think i've done particularly extensive testing regarding this tho (and dont have access to league atm) so i can't vouch for whether or not 0.8 secs is enough buffer for a reliable 4 q's but you def dont need more than 35%, because i know for sure that the old fr heart + bruta hit 4 ezpz, and iirc that was 35%
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On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes.
Galio mid takes up a very critical spot that could be used by the AP carry (Brand Annie Cass etc.)
Despite that, you CAN make some team comps work with Galio mid.
I remember seeing TSM scrimming vs a Chinese team that ran jungle Fids, Galio mid, Udyr top, Soraka/KM bot. Maybe I don't know Fiddles well enough, but I would call him a carry purely because of his ult.
So in other words, you just need to find a place to drop the AP carry, or have the jungler bring a lot to the team.
I've also had success along your lines. Was able to outfarm a Brand by about 50 CS around 20 minutes in. Go to lane with Null Magic Mantle+2 pots>come back with chalice and boots and laugh at how they can't hurt you. Pop Bulwark and its even more pathetic.
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The ignorance at high elo... amazes me.
HSGG doesn't know that Dark Binding stops TF R.
An enemy tells him "it's a mini stun at the start".
Root blocks all repositioning spells except for Jarvan's crap. Was that so hard?
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On December 20 2011 04:18 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 04:06 Slayer91 wrote:
No he's always like that. People watch him because the whole league of legends community is also convinced that they are diamonds in the rough while every one of their teammembers are pants on head retards. To be fair, he had a period of pretty decent behaviour just a couple of days ago. Admitting mistakes and taking the blame even. You see 4 times as much bad play from allies than you see from yourself simply because they are 4 and you are 1, and a bad play by an enemy is interpreted as a good play by yourself. Because of this ratio you tend to think that you are better than your allies. I guess that's just how humans are. And it's a fact that either you grab first blood by yourself or your allies will feed it to the enemy for free.
I agree with this. Everybody seems to be in the habit of blaming everyone else for things going wrong. I honestly think it would help if more top tier players that get a lot of exposure would make a conscious effort to reflect more on their own mistakes on their streams then just insulting everybody else all the time. This obviously doesn't apply to all streamers but a majority I would believe.
I like this game in many ways, but every ranked game, no matter if my team looses or wins, people will flame each other and threaten to report. It is just absurd. You are leading 30-5 and someone screws up and gets caught. Score goes 30-6 and people will start calling each other noob. It is hilarious if you think about it.
PS: For the guy that likes star fruits... That's kind of kinky. Not even sure where you are going with that.
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On December 20 2011 05:57 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes. Galio mid takes up a very critical spot that could be used by the AP carry (Brand Annie Cass etc.) Despite that, you CAN make some team comps work with Galio mid. I remember seeing TSM scrimming vs a Chinese team that ran jungle Fids, Galio mid, Udyr top, Soraka/KM bot. Maybe I don't know Fiddles well enough, but I would call him a carry purely because of his ult. So in other words, you just need to find a place to drop the AP carry, or have the jungler bring a lot to the team. I've also had success along your lines. Was able to outfarm a Brand by about 50 CS around 20 minutes in. Go to lane with Null Magic Mantle+2 pots>come back with chalice and boots and laugh at how they can't hurt you. Pop Bulwark and its even more pathetic.
You can slot AP carries all over the place. A lot of them can go top lane and dominate, a handful can jungle (Galio + Fiddle is an obviously ridiculous combination, pentakill in the making right there), and you could put one bot lane with your AD carry top lane (probably the weakest choice)
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Galio mid is amazing TBH.
Come into lane with 100 MR and 50 AP? Wololol.
Just lane against a mid who needs early kills/denying enemy to be the most effective. Turning that into a farmfest with galio is great. Also Galio can bully some weaker laners, and get farmed enough to build AP damage.
Just urn like Rumble top or someone like Kog/Corki for magic damage in addition to Galio and you're fine imo imo imo.
Also AOE comps are still hilarious.
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i was always under the impression that 37.5% cdr was what was needed to get off 4 q's with urgot, i think getting 4 with less from items was likely due to extra from runes/masteries
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On December 20 2011 04:45 Alaric wrote:
Offtopic, in a game yesterday as Pantheon I regularly had a "blocked!" pop up when I had to hold against Ahri and her Q would touch me, but only on the return trip. That may be a bug because I didn't seem to take the true damage either (and my passive was effectively "consumed"), I'm going to test that with a friend, I'll report back.
Busted. Perhaps she was autoattacking me every single time with a strange timing.
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On December 20 2011 05:57 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:28 Sabin010 wrote:
With the old masteries you would hit 38% cdr with ghostblade and frozen heart which is the threshold for hitting 4 q's off of an e. You can only get 3 with 37%. The point I was trying to make is SoS was so good in the old tree on Urgot. If you were to do a 21 attack variation on him I would problebly end up skipping the crit damage mastery in favor of cdr, as he isn't going to be building IE and PD to make use of those crit stats. There must be some way to make use of SoS with 19 in utility and 11 in attack, but mastermind is still good on Urgot because having flash makes your ult stronger, like you can ult flash over the wall and weq some one from a spot you can't be touched from. i'm actually pretty sure you're wrong. you have 5 seconds to hit 4 q's, which means q has to come off cooldown 3 times (the cd of the 4th q doesn't matter), which means @ 30% cdr, 3 q's is 4.2 seconds, giving you a total 0.8 second buffer for landing time and time between q's. I dont think i've done particularly extensive testing regarding this tho (and dont have access to league atm) so i can't vouch for whether or not 0.8 secs is enough buffer for a reliable 4 q's but you def dont need more than 35%, because i know for sure that the old fr heart + bruta hit 4 ezpz, and iirc that was 35%
My bad. 40% is needed for 5 q's. You're right, you can hit 3 with 0 cdr.
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On December 20 2011 05:57 spinesheath wrote:
The ignorance at high elo... amazes me.
HSGG doesn't know that Dark Binding stops TF R.
An enemy tells him "it's a mini stun at the start".
Root blocks all repositioning spells except for Jarvan's crap. Was that so hard?
Both of Jarvan's crap?
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On December 20 2011 06:07 chalice wrote:
i was always under the impression that 37.5% cdr was what was needed to get off 4 q's with urgot, i think getting 4 with less from items was likely due to extra from runes/masteries
that's the cdr needed for exactly 4 cooldowns, which means it's actually the break point for 5 q's, except that no1 can hit 5 q's with only 0.03 seconds of buffer time, which is what 38% would give
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On December 20 2011 05:42 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes. he's good, but he can't carry as hard as other champs can. his damage drops off unless you go balls to teh wall AP and even then his damage isn't amazing and you get really squishy. galio ult is gamebreaking if landed well, but asides from that it's not as easy to carry with him as say Kassadin or other standard AP carries. He doesn't have to carry hard, he cripples the enemy AP carry to the point where they're almost useless. Have you ever seen a 23 cs Leblanc with 1/2/1 at 25 minutes? Hilariously weak. How about a 2/1/1 Galio with 110 cs at 25 minutes? Not so weak. Obviously a fringe case, I think the enemy LB dealt with it poorly. But Galio seems like a very powerful choice mid. His damage does scale off later in the game, but that's ok because he's incredibly beefy and has a game-winning ultimate.
I'm really not trying to be a dick here, but a game where you supposedly dominated your lane and end up with 110 CS at 25 minutes is not indicative of the strength/weakness of ANYTHING. How is Galio supposed to stop LeBlanc from CSing? I just don't see it happening.
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On December 20 2011 06:14 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:42 Alzadar wrote:On December 20 2011 05:35 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes. he's good, but he can't carry as hard as other champs can. his damage drops off unless you go balls to teh wall AP and even then his damage isn't amazing and you get really squishy. galio ult is gamebreaking if landed well, but asides from that it's not as easy to carry with him as say Kassadin or other standard AP carries. He doesn't have to carry hard, he cripples the enemy AP carry to the point where they're almost useless. Have you ever seen a 23 cs Leblanc with 1/2/1 at 25 minutes? Hilariously weak. How about a 2/1/1 Galio with 110 cs at 25 minutes? Not so weak. Obviously a fringe case, I think the enemy LB dealt with it poorly. But Galio seems like a very powerful choice mid. His damage does scale off later in the game, but that's ok because he's incredibly beefy and has a game-winning ultimate. I'm really not trying to be a dick here, but a game where you supposedly dominated your lane and end up with 110 CS at 25 minutes is not indicative of the strength/weakness of ANYTHING. How is Galio supposed to stop LeBlanc from CSing? I just don't see it happening.
People used to think Malzahar, Ashe, Warwick, Galio were OP
then they started buying QSS over Banshee Veil
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On December 20 2011 05:57 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:27 Alzadar wrote:
Why isn't Galio mid a more common strategy? He counters every single one of the common mid laners, and unlike Kassadin he isn't necessarily going to be be countered if they do a change up and he has to lane against a Ranged AD.
Was duoing with my friend with him Galio and me Ryze, the other team had Singed and Leblanc so we did a switcheroo and both of our opponents were under 30 cs at 20 minutes. Galio mid takes up a very critical spot that could be used by the AP carry (Brand Annie Cass etc.) Despite that, you CAN make some team comps work with Galio mid. I remember seeing TSM scrimming vs a Chinese team that ran jungle Fids, Galio mid, Udyr top, Soraka/KM bot. Maybe I don't know Fiddles well enough, but I would call him a carry purely because of his ult. So in other words, you just need to find a place to drop the AP carry, or have the jungler bring a lot to the team. I've also had success along your lines. Was able to outfarm a Brand by about 50 CS around 20 minutes in. Go to lane with Null Magic Mantle+2 pots>come back with chalice and boots and laugh at how they can't hurt you. Pop Bulwark and its even more pathetic.
Brand annie cass can all go bot with taric and destroy lane.
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