EPTWriggles, Rylais, Wits End, Mercs, Shurellia's, and Randuin's. When you have red, anyone who is past middle dies to you. Period. Q into E + more red buff slow = dead. You are an exceptional initiator that does massive AoE damage if they don't cc you. If you get cc'd cry to your mother as you are useless. Randuin's should prolly be QSS, either that or end game sell wriggles for it.
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Wriggles, Rylais, Wits End, Mercs, Shurellia's, and Randuin's. When you have red, anyone who is past middle dies to you. Period. Q into E + more red buff slow = dead. You are an exceptional initiator that does massive AoE damage if they don't cc you. If you get cc'd cry to your mother as you are useless. Randuin's should prolly be QSS, either that or end game sell wriggles for it. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2011 09:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: Would it be plausible to reduce or eliminate the life steal component of wriggle's? Since the jungle heals the jungler already, they don't really need it, but the madred's proc is important. This could help reduce ridiculous sustainability top, but remain strong for pushing, map objectives, and a free ward. Just nerf the ward. Like I said, it's the component that has the largest difference in utility between laners and junglers. Junglers barely care for it (since they get time to back for wards when they need them anyway, it's basically just equivalent to gp10 for them), while laners absolutely love the fact that you can keep 100% river ward uptime without needing to back and buy more wards. Stat-wise, if Wriggle's didn't give you the ward, nothing makes it better than DBlade stacking. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 01 2011 12:57 TheYango wrote: Just nerf the ward. Like I said, it's the component that has the largest difference in utility between laners and junglers. Junglers barely care for it (since they get time to back for wards when they need them anyway, it's basically just equivalent to gp10 for them), while laners absolutely love the fact that you can keep 100% river ward uptime without needing to back and buy more wards. Would you be for or against making the CD on wriggles longer than the ward time then? Like let there be 90 seconds or so after the ward expires before you can use it again. Honestly, I think an option like that would be pretty great for the game. Either that or make there be a limited number of wards on the map at any given time. That way warding correctly matters. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:01 Cixah wrote: Would you be for or against making the CD on wriggles longer than the ward time then? Like let there be 90 seconds or so after the ward expires before you can use it again. Honestly, I think an option like that would be pretty great for the game. Either that or make there be a limited number of wards on the map at any given time. That way warding correctly matters. You could probably get rid of the ward entirely, and junglers that need Wriggle's would still get it. It's not the main selling point of Wriggle's for junglers, anyway. That said, if they chose to do that, I would like it if they re-buffed the Wriggle's proc as well. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:04 unichan wrote: do AD still buy wriggles? if so, how often? i'm too dumb to figure out whether its good by myself It's a reactionary thing really. If you ever get behind it's a good way to prevent them from killing you and allows you to push waves off your tower fast. If you're not behind though it generally just delays your BF item because it's the equivalent of buying 3 dblades basically. Very rarely do you get all three dblades unless you're super far behind. Also a good consideration if you're laning with Janna for the sustain, but not always required. The dragon/baron control it provides with the proc is really good though. | ||
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Craton
United States17301 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:04 unichan wrote: do AD still buy wriggles? if so, how often? i'm too dumb to figure out whether its good by myself I don't bother anymore; you might as well just get dblade+vamp scepter and sit on it while you build your core. I never bought into the "but you can push faster" line, which was supposedly one of its big selling points. The armor is about the only thing you end up missing as far as a lane matchup goes, but you get the same life steal, your support is usually doing your warding anyway, and you get real AD items much faster, since you spend ~1100 less for just scepter vs a full wriggles. If you get dblade+scepter you end up with less AD (10 vs 23), same lifesteal, no armor, no proc/ward, and more hp, but save 675g (40% of your BFS). Wriggles proc isn't bad for blitzing an early dragon, but realistically that very rarely ever happens in solo queue, especially at lower ratings. It's pretty irrelevant in the lane. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:27 Craton wrote: I don't bother anymore; you might as well just get dblade+vamp scepter and sit on it while you build your core. I never bought into the "but you can push faster" line, which was supposedly one of its big selling points. I think it's more that it gives you better creep control in lanes where you otherwise have inferior creep control (e.g. Vayne has no way of counterpushing Caitlyn because she has AoE and you don't). If you already have superior abilities for controlling the lane position, I agree Wriggle's isn't that helpful. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
Level 3 and double buff: with exp quint at 2:30ish 3:00 without Always gank never not gank. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On December 01 2011 12:04 Ferrose wrote: Anyone know who Guinsoo's favorite tank is? Rammus! Taunt now gonna last 3/5/7/9 seconds, Tremors gonna stun instead of slow and DBC blocks all damage | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:38 Terranasaur wrote: Rammus! Taunt now gonna last 3/5/7/9 seconds, Tremors gonna stun instead of slow and DBC blocks all damage Tremors don't slow... | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
i can smell them | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Craton
United States17301 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On December 01 2011 13:52 Craton wrote: What team is/was pgb on? He was briefly on EG. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
(Edit - I understand this topic moves fast sometimes, but I still didn't expect to get sniped by 2 people as I typed that post.) | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 01 2011 14:15 Hynda wrote: why can't I get it into my thick head that gp is not a strong earlygame duelist Press E, Go fite them. Usually results in first blood 1 way or the other  | ||
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