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Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 06 2011 02:04 GMT
#2501
The point isn´t that dragon can´t be taken by a single player but that it´s being controled by the whole team. That includes pressuring enemies away, warding etc...
If a nonjunglerteam can´t disupt the enemy jungler enough to secure their resources, yeah we won´t see nonjunglerteams. Maybe the jungle wasn´t nerfed enough in that case.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:30:07
December 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#2502
One other issue I have is that this basically forces junglers into a 4th position role. You just don't get the gold to be a strong midgame damage threat unless your kit inherently has the tools for you to be one, and you don't need the farm to get there. Otherwise, you only really end up seeing a little more farm than the support. It's "balanced" in that affects both teams equally, but it sucks because as a jungler I don't get to play play more of a late-game carry role when I want to, because you don't see the farm to do so unless you're picking up a lot of lane farm--even less if you're expected to give up farm to gank.

I never thought I'd say that I actually prefer jungling in DotA over LoL at this point. Play Lycanthrope, always farm never gank, outlevel the solos without ever leaving the jungle, and do Roshan by yourself at 12 minutes.
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Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:33:45
December 06 2011 02:33 GMT
#2503
Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 06 2011 02:34 GMT
#2504
On December 06 2011 11:27 TheYango wrote:
One other issue I have is that this basically forces junglers into a 4th position role. You just don't get the gold to be a strong midgame damage threat unless your kit inherently has the tools for you to be one, and you don't need the farm to get there. Otherwise, you only really end up seeing a little more farm than the support. It's "balanced" in that affects both teams equally, but it sucks because as a jungler I don't get to play play more of a late-game carry role when I want to, because you don't see the farm to do so unless you're picking up a lot of lane farm--even less if you're expected to give up farm to gank.

I never thought I'd say that I actually prefer jungling in DotA over LoL at this point. Play Lycanthrope, always farm never gank, outlevel the solos without ever leaving the jungle, and do Roshan by yourself at 12 minutes.

It sucks, but I honestly dont think its that bad.

Its just you have to play SV style now- you MUST jack a wave or 2 from each lane every few minutes.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 06 2011 02:36 GMT
#2505
On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote:
Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)?


I'm pretty certain that it doesn't but I could be wrong. I think I've been silenced mid ult as Morg and it doesn't cancel.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#2506
On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote:
Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)?


No. But killing her right before makes it play the sound and stuff normally, so you think you've just set up an ace for you team only to realize that noise was a false sense of security and you died 0.2s too early. :[
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
December 06 2011 02:39 GMT
#2507
On December 06 2011 11:27 TheYango wrote:
One other issue I have is that this basically forces junglers into a 4th position role. You just don't get the gold to be a strong midgame damage threat unless your kit inherently has the tools for you to be one, and you don't need the farm to get there. Otherwise, you only really end up seeing a little more farm than the support. It's "balanced" in that affects both teams equally, but it sucks because as a jungler I don't get to play play more of a late-game carry role when I want to, because you don't see the farm to do so unless you're picking up a lot of lane farm--even less if you're expected to give up farm to gank.

I never thought I'd say that I actually prefer jungling in DotA over LoL at this point. Play Lycanthrope, always farm never gank, outlevel the solos without ever leaving the jungle, and do Roshan by yourself at 12 minutes.

Ah yes, Roshan solos. I miss my Ursa warrior.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
December 06 2011 02:39 GMT
#2508
On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote:
Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)?

Morgana doesn't channel the spell. It's just a leash. I don't think silence works.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 06 2011 02:59 GMT
#2509
On December 06 2011 11:39 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
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On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote:
Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)?

Morgana doesn't channel the spell. It's just a leash. I don't think silence works.


Once Morg's ult is out it is out until you break the tether or you get stunned. Nothing stops it save morg shield.
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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
December 06 2011 03:17 GMT
#2510
You can silence (and any other cc that interupts channeling) while she is casting the ult though. If she gets the first one through, as long as you're still in range, the second one will hit you.
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
December 06 2011 03:18 GMT
#2511
Neobro on doublelift stream at the moment.
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rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
December 06 2011 03:34 GMT
#2512
On December 06 2011 10:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:42 Unentschieden wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:07 phyvo wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:56 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:34 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
As long as your top builds wriggles that buff should be fairly easy, and ad/support should be able to smash the other buff relatively easily. If you push your lanes and then converge on the buff it should go down very quickly. Take the other camp along the way for the heal ^_^

You should also be able to smash buffs relatively quickly early on with 2/3 people. You're still gonna need a smite or you'll never be able to contest baron/dragon unless you have a chogath or nunu ^_^ Missing one minion isn't going to lose you the game.

The problem is also that you can't expect your laner to leave lane the moment buffs spawn. If say the opponent is pushing and the laner leaves you lose tower. The team with jungler will have too much of an advantage.


Why are people pretending that if you don't have a jungler your team only has 4 players?

You have a fifth. Either he takes the buff while everyone else is laning or he lanes while a laner takes the buff.

You have a fifth person but he can't be everywhere at once. If he is everywhere at once keeping track of buff spawn times etc... you might as well jsut have a freaking jungler -.-


Uh the point is that not taking a jungler doesn´t mean it´s 1-1-2 vs 1-1-2+jungler. That other guy didn´t just dissolve under the pressure of the current meta.

Okay so if there's no jungler then what? 1-1-3? 2-1-2? Then what about buff control?


The main problem I have with them nerfing the jungler is basically this. Nothing else is even close to viable, so a role basically got diminished for no current benefit.

LoL heroes are basically too weak to ever see a trilane be viable, plus theres still a huge amount of sustain options out there. With the exception of alistar and maybe janna, supports are too weak to roam both in terms of cc, damage and the need for levels. There are no carry's that you'd want to put in the safer mid lane with a support, so we wont see that. Junglers do not get low while clearing the jungle and they do not spend much time at each camp, so it isn't even a good option to gank them. In addition to all this there's the map restrictions that just make it so you have to focus on the bottom of the map early.

I think riot has minconceptions about how much depth their game really has, they will have to make giant changes to actually make other strategies viable and at the end of the day their playerbase has thrived on the fact that it's pretty simple which makes for good pub games by moba standards.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 03:42:20
December 06 2011 03:42 GMT
#2513
nevermind
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
December 06 2011 03:55 GMT
#2514
The thing about pubs is that they'll always default to whatever requires the least coordination. Perhaps a team *could* run without a jungler now and be able to control buffs and dragon but it's pretty obvious that doing so would require more coordination than pubs actually have.

It's the same reason why we've been stuck with support plus AD, AP mid, and sustain/tankydps top. Other things are doable but just not quite easy enough compared to the EU meta NA inherited.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 03:58:36
December 06 2011 03:57 GMT
#2515
On December 06 2011 12:34 rob.au wrote:
LoL heroes are basically too weak to ever see a trilane be viable, plus theres still a huge amount of sustain options out there. With the exception of alistar and maybe janna, supports are too weak to roam both in terms of cc, damage and the need for levels. There are no carry's that you'd want to put in the safer mid lane with a support, so we wont see that. Junglers do not get low while clearing the jungle and they do not spend much time at each camp, so it isn't even a good option to gank them. In addition to all this there's the map restrictions that just make it so you have to focus on the bottom of the map early.

To be fair, roaming was popular for a long time on US. The problem was that competitive ward usage got a ton better, AND Riot felt the need to nerf several popular roamers (Alistar, Eve, etc.).

Probably the biggest impediment to having a roamer is unlimited wards. If Riot drastically altered the strength/availability of wards, we might see roaming be more effective. As it stands, though, there's absolutely no reason to have a full-time roamer instead of a jungler, because gank opportunities don't arise often enough, due to ubiquitous ward coverage, for full-time roaming to be worthwhile.
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 04:05:06
December 06 2011 04:04 GMT
#2516
so i downloaded the update tonight and got an error message that all files couldnt be updated. i closed the program and tried again and it went through. got in a game and was dominating and then my comp froze and started beeping (through the speakers not the actual computer). i turned the comp off with the power button and then it wouldnt boot past the bios.

reseated the hard drive cables and i could get into safe mode, where i uninstalled LoL, and now it works fine...

thought my motherboard or hard drive was fried. anyone else have this happen?
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 06 2011 04:16 GMT
#2517
The tribunal is the worst fucking idea ever. I don't mind if I get banned if I act like a jackass. That's fine, and it happens. But I'm so fucking tired of getting 1 day suspensions because I get trolled. There isn't many times I miss DotA but they at least had a decent ban system. Hell even SoulEyE knew how to ban better than the tribunal, and if you have ever played with SoulEyE you know he always leaves his games with 9 people on his ban list.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
December 06 2011 04:20 GMT
#2518
On December 06 2011 13:04 Vaporized wrote:
so i downloaded the update tonight and got an error message that all files couldnt be updated. i closed the program and tried again and it went through. got in a game and was dominating and then my comp froze and started beeping (through the speakers not the actual computer). i turned the comp off with the power button and then it wouldnt boot past the bios.

reseated the hard drive cables and i could get into safe mode, where i uninstalled LoL, and now it works fine...

thought my motherboard or hard drive was fried. anyone else have this happen?


I couldn't update at first either and the client asked if I wanted to send a log. Then I closed it just like you and it went through. But I didn't get any of the other problems (yet).
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 04:48:23
December 06 2011 04:47 GMT
#2519
On December 06 2011 13:16 Hynda wrote:
The tribunal is the worst fucking idea ever. I don't mind if I get banned if I act like a jackass. That's fine, and it happens. But I'm so fucking tired of getting 1 day suspensions because I get trolled. There isn't many times I miss DotA but they at least had a decent ban system. Hell even SoulEyE knew how to ban better than the tribunal, and if you have ever played with SoulEyE you know he always leaves his games with 9 people on his ban list.

Stop acting like a dick and you'll stop getting banned. Riot bans, not the tribunal.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 06 2011 04:59 GMT
#2520
So im torn between buying Riven or Yorick, which should i get? D:

I have most of the good solo tops, just missing irelia wukong riven and yorick(or rumble but i dont play ap heroes so i dunno) and i dunno which to get.

Any suggestions?
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