EPTIf a nonjunglerteam can´t disupt the enemy jungler enough to secure their resources, yeah we won´t see nonjunglerteams. Maybe the jungle wasn´t nerfed enough in that case.
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Germany1471 Posts
If a nonjunglerteam can´t disupt the enemy jungler enough to secure their resources, yeah we won´t see nonjunglerteams. Maybe the jungle wasn´t nerfed enough in that case. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I never thought I'd say that I actually prefer jungling in DotA over LoL at this point. Play Lycanthrope, always farm never gank, outlevel the solos without ever leaving the jungle, and do Roshan by yourself at 12 minutes. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 06 2011 11:27 TheYango wrote: One other issue I have is that this basically forces junglers into a 4th position role. You just don't get the gold to be a strong midgame damage threat unless your kit inherently has the tools for you to be one, and you don't need the farm to get there. Otherwise, you only really end up seeing a little more farm than the support. It's "balanced" in that affects both teams equally, but it sucks because as a jungler I don't get to play play more of a late-game carry role when I want to, because you don't see the farm to do so unless you're picking up a lot of lane farm--even less if you're expected to give up farm to gank. I never thought I'd say that I actually prefer jungling in DotA over LoL at this point. Play Lycanthrope, always farm never gank, outlevel the solos without ever leaving the jungle, and do Roshan by yourself at 12 minutes. It sucks, but I honestly dont think its that bad. Its just you have to play SV style now- you MUST jack a wave or 2 from each lane every few minutes. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote: Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)? I'm pretty certain that it doesn't but I could be wrong. I think I've been silenced mid ult as Morg and it doesn't cancel. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote: Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)? No. But killing her right before makes it play the sound and stuff normally, so you think you've just set up an ace for you team only to realize that noise was a false sense of security and you died 0.2s too early. :[ | ||
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Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
On December 06 2011 11:27 TheYango wrote: One other issue I have is that this basically forces junglers into a 4th position role. You just don't get the gold to be a strong midgame damage threat unless your kit inherently has the tools for you to be one, and you don't need the farm to get there. Otherwise, you only really end up seeing a little more farm than the support. It's "balanced" in that affects both teams equally, but it sucks because as a jungler I don't get to play play more of a late-game carry role when I want to, because you don't see the farm to do so unless you're picking up a lot of lane farm--even less if you're expected to give up farm to gank. I never thought I'd say that I actually prefer jungling in DotA over LoL at this point. Play Lycanthrope, always farm never gank, outlevel the solos without ever leaving the jungle, and do Roshan by yourself at 12 minutes. Ah yes, Roshan solos. I miss my Ursa warrior. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On December 06 2011 11:33 Ryalnos wrote: Random stupid nab question: does silence cancel the second proc of Morg's ult (damage + stun)? Morgana doesn't channel the spell. It's just a leash. I don't think silence works. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 06 2011 11:39 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Morgana doesn't channel the spell. It's just a leash. I don't think silence works. Once Morg's ult is out it is out until you break the tether or you get stunned. Nothing stops it save morg shield. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
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rob.au
1087 Posts
On December 06 2011 10:49 Ryuu314 wrote: Okay so if there's no jungler then what? 1-1-3? 2-1-2? Then what about buff control? The main problem I have with them nerfing the jungler is basically this. Nothing else is even close to viable, so a role basically got diminished for no current benefit. LoL heroes are basically too weak to ever see a trilane be viable, plus theres still a huge amount of sustain options out there. With the exception of alistar and maybe janna, supports are too weak to roam both in terms of cc, damage and the need for levels. There are no carry's that you'd want to put in the safer mid lane with a support, so we wont see that. Junglers do not get low while clearing the jungle and they do not spend much time at each camp, so it isn't even a good option to gank them. In addition to all this there's the map restrictions that just make it so you have to focus on the bottom of the map early. I think riot has minconceptions about how much depth their game really has, they will have to make giant changes to actually make other strategies viable and at the end of the day their playerbase has thrived on the fact that it's pretty simple which makes for good pub games by moba standards. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
It's the same reason why we've been stuck with support plus AD, AP mid, and sustain/tankydps top. Other things are doable but just not quite easy enough compared to the EU meta NA inherited. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 06 2011 12:34 rob.au wrote: LoL heroes are basically too weak to ever see a trilane be viable, plus theres still a huge amount of sustain options out there. With the exception of alistar and maybe janna, supports are too weak to roam both in terms of cc, damage and the need for levels. There are no carry's that you'd want to put in the safer mid lane with a support, so we wont see that. Junglers do not get low while clearing the jungle and they do not spend much time at each camp, so it isn't even a good option to gank them. In addition to all this there's the map restrictions that just make it so you have to focus on the bottom of the map early. To be fair, roaming was popular for a long time on US. The problem was that competitive ward usage got a ton better, AND Riot felt the need to nerf several popular roamers (Alistar, Eve, etc.). Probably the biggest impediment to having a roamer is unlimited wards. If Riot drastically altered the strength/availability of wards, we might see roaming be more effective. As it stands, though, there's absolutely no reason to have a full-time roamer instead of a jungler, because gank opportunities don't arise often enough, due to ubiquitous ward coverage, for full-time roaming to be worthwhile. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
reseated the hard drive cables and i could get into safe mode, where i uninstalled LoL, and now it works fine... thought my motherboard or hard drive was fried. anyone else have this happen? | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 06 2011 13:04 Vaporized wrote: so i downloaded the update tonight and got an error message that all files couldnt be updated. i closed the program and tried again and it went through. got in a game and was dominating and then my comp froze and started beeping (through the speakers not the actual computer). i turned the comp off with the power button and then it wouldnt boot past the bios. reseated the hard drive cables and i could get into safe mode, where i uninstalled LoL, and now it works fine... thought my motherboard or hard drive was fried. anyone else have this happen? I couldn't update at first either and the client asked if I wanted to send a log. Then I closed it just like you and it went through. But I didn't get any of the other problems (yet). | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On December 06 2011 13:16 Hynda wrote: The tribunal is the worst fucking idea ever. I don't mind if I get banned if I act like a jackass. That's fine, and it happens. But I'm so fucking tired of getting 1 day suspensions because I get trolled. There isn't many times I miss DotA but they at least had a decent ban system. Hell even SoulEyE knew how to ban better than the tribunal, and if you have ever played with SoulEyE you know he always leaves his games with 9 people on his ban list. Stop acting like a dick and you'll stop getting banned. Riot bans, not the tribunal. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
I have most of the good solo tops, just missing irelia wukong riven and yorick(or rumble but i dont play ap heroes so i dunno) and i dunno which to get. Any suggestions? | ||
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