RANDOM RANT / THOUGHT:

LoL needs more collision/blocking and better multiunit-control freedom to increase its viability as a competitive game. discuss

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

November 17 2011 07:39 GMT

#704

On November 17 2011 16:34 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
RANDOM RANT / THOUGHT:

LoL needs more collision/blocking and better multiunit-control freedom to increase its viability as a competitive game. discuss

I definitely support multiunit-control. Perhaps a champion that has either multiple summons or summons with abilities. Something that utilizes multitasking on top of the usual LoL skillset.

dignity

Canada908 Posts

November 17 2011 07:53 GMT

#705

I don't think the game engine was created with multi unit control in mind. One of the reasons why the controls are locked down to your champion at all times is so new players will not get confused when they deselect their champion like in Dota. Dota only really had multiple unit selecting because it used the wc3 engine, and the game was made around that fact. Asking for multi-unit selection is like asking for a complete system rework, which is something they will never do simply because of the resource and time needed to complete such a project, not to mention they would have to change all projects that would be affected by such a system change.

Wala.Revolution

7584 Posts

November 17 2011 08:04 GMT

#706

Are they simply moving servers? Or any (non-planned) surprises coming?

locodoco

Korea (South)1615 Posts

November 17 2011 08:07 GMT

#707

2108 elo yay~
can pratice other shit now other than fucking ad

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

November 17 2011 08:12 GMT

#708

On November 17 2011 17:07 locodoco wrote:
2108 elo yay~
can pratice other shit now other than fucking ad

Talon Renek Fizz

shinarit

Hungary900 Posts

November 17 2011 08:13 GMT

#709

Not only they would need to rework their system, there is marginal benefit for it. Big work for low benefit and possible backlash (problems with the UI, people deselecting their champ by accident) is a no go.

Im not sure what you mean by "collision/blocking".

red_

United States8474 Posts

November 17 2011 08:24 GMT

#710

On November 17 2011 17:13 shinarit wrote:
Im not sure what you mean by "collision/blocking".

Anivia wall, trundle pillar; or in dota terms: Fissure(yaaaa!), Invoker's wall, furion/clockworks surrounds, etc.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

November 17 2011 08:27 GMT

#711

The game def needs more anivia walls.

dooraven

Australia2820 Posts

November 17 2011 08:42 GMT

#712

Speaking of Anivia, has anyone tried her after the patch?. In my shitty 1500 elo experience I found her laning phase to a lot smoother. The flash nerf hurts quite a lot though for me, really really frustrated with level 2 xin and shako ganks lol.

shinarit

Hungary900 Posts

November 17 2011 08:48 GMT

#713

Dunno. People complain about removing micro from SC2 with fungal and FF, yet they want them here? I think we have enough CC and TC (terrain control), not too little, not too much. Ofc new champions should bring their own stuff to the game, but we dont need one with 3 TCs. Thats just make it too hard to approach that champ. Positioning should be important, with these skills it makes it less of an issue.

Slaughter

United States20254 Posts

November 17 2011 08:49 GMT

#714

For me as a mid laner I feel the flash nerfs hurt my really early laning. Usually I abuse Karthus range and spamability of his spells before I go back to buy wards on the 1st trip and when the enemy jungler is a threat for early ganks I don't feel as comfortable pushing the issue. Though it hasn't been that big of a problem as lately I have been getting last pick and haven't been able to pick him and lol stomp people as much (Like 65% winning with him and a little under 50 with everyone else lol).

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 17 2011 09:04 GMT

#715

they could always make it an option in the UI and make all future new heroes with multi unit control come with a warning (NOT FOR NOOBS).

by blocking/collision i mean

would add another level of depth, i think? i dont know how this would translate into LoL though

ihasaKAROT

Netherlands4730 Posts

November 17 2011 09:10 GMT

#716

So whats the general thought about Fizz ? Tried a few builds myself and im not sure what will work best:

- tanky bruiser -> way not enough damage , combined with no real CC other then ulti makes this not viable imo
- hybrid ap bruiser (akalistyle) -> not sure about this, dominated toplanes but my opponents make it too easy on me to tell.
- ap dps build -> RoA etc, it works but you will become a little squishy when u start doing damage. I like the mobility tho so it could work.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

November 17 2011 09:21 GMT

#717

On November 17 2011 18:04 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
they could always make it an option in the UI and make all future new heroes with multi unit control come with a warning (NOT FOR NOOBS).

by blocking/collision i mean http://youtu.be/7gnnNPElrNQ?t=47s

would add another level of depth, i think? i dont know how this would translate into LoL though

Part of the problem is the significantly faster turning speed on units in LoL. Unit blocking is still possible, but without the comparatively cumbersome turning speeds of the WC3 engine, anything less than a complete block is much less effective.

R04R

United States1631 Posts

November 17 2011 09:33 GMT

#718

I open wriggle's on fizz. after that it's a smorgasbord of rageblade/atmas/abyssal/trinity/roa/wit's I don't get gunblade

surge/ghost 9/21/0

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 17 2011 10:04 GMT

#719

even if we kept LoL turning speeds, blocking would still be an element of the game that caters to pros, more so if its not very effective

its always the small shit that pros do that differentiate them from noobs

e.g. in dota: small things like changing your treads to int before casting every spell, changing to str before taking damage, agi as you bottle. things like queueing shift moveforward after you tp so you dont stand around like a turd for 0.5 seconds, cancelling animations (huge, but some animations are small but still cancellable for a bit of advantage).

LoL just too easy atm imoimoimo, although i guess in a way its good since people focus on the actual gameplay and not on minimechanicsshit

BlueBird.

United States3890 Posts

November 17 2011 10:15 GMT

#720

On November 17 2011 18:10 ihasaKAROT wrote:
So whats the general thought about Fizz ? Tried a few builds myself and im not sure what will work best:

- tanky bruiser -> way not enough damage , combined with no real CC other then ulti makes this not viable imo
- hybrid ap bruiser (akalistyle) -> not sure about this, dominated toplanes but my opponents make it too easy on me to tell.
- ap dps build -> RoA etc, it works but you will become a little squishy when u start doing damage. I like the mobility tho so it could work.

I played him as a tanky bruiser with tri-force, and wits end, and had a lot of success.. However, I was super dominating all three games I played, and they were normals. I wouldn't discount it at all though, all four of his abilities are ridiculous good, and did I mention how much fun his kit is? I love the shark!