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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 28 2011 15:37 GMT
#2641
On October 29 2011 00:34 Southlight wrote:
Armor reds or MR reds all the way huehuehue.

the opportunity cost of sacrificing 15% Attack Speed or 15 ArPen for 8-9 Armor/Mres is pretty hilarious to me. especially when you look at it and are like, "HMMMMM, free 420 gold in an offensive stat or free 150 gold in a defensive stat...? DEFENSIVE STAT, FUCKING DUH!"
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 15:39:22
October 28 2011 15:38 GMT
#2642
I'd like to know who designs the character backgrounds for LoL champs. Some of these characters look like they've been designed by a focus group attempting to target every nerd in existence.

Take Ezreal, for example, he's basically some combination of a Final Fantasy and DBZ character. His backdrop is a "boy who goes exploring", this is every anime-thing ever rolled into one champ.

Tristana is even scarier. Her backstory is literally the backstory one of my friends in college had for her LARP group (replace gunner with archer and megling with half-elf and you're there). They even got the lesbian part right.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 28 2011 15:39 GMT
#2643
Defensive stat, fucking duh :> But you obviously knew I'd say that, so I'll leave it as is :>

Incidentally running the armor page on Kass lets me hang in a lane against Bruisers (as long as they didn't be like me and run full flat MR), lol. Although IIRC when I tested vs Turkey's Udyr he decided to be a right dick and massed MR items and I still hung in okay.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17282 Posts
October 28 2011 15:39 GMT
#2644
On October 29 2011 00:31 Juicyfruit wrote:
Today I learned that Irelia's R does physical damage

>.>
<.<

neverreadskilldescriptions

That's just because they semi-recently changed her to be more physical instead of split between all three types. It was magic for the longest time.
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Grohnn
Profile Joined October 2011
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 15:51:21
October 28 2011 15:51 GMT
#2645
On October 29 2011 00:38 Offhand wrote:
I'd like to know who designs the character backgrounds for LoL champs. Some of these characters look like they've been designed by a focus group attempting to target every nerd in existence.

Take Ezreal, for example, he's basically some combination of a Final Fantasy and DBZ character. His backdrop is a "boy who goes exploring", this is every anime-thing ever rolled into one champ.

Tristana is even scarier. Her backstory is literally the backstory one of my friends in college had for her LARP group (replace gunner with archer and megling with half-elf and you're there). They even got the lesbian part right.


Yeah and who doesnt like boobs? ^^
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 28 2011 15:51 GMT
#2646
On October 29 2011 00:33 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
I thought everyone went armour pen reds? Q and R both physical and it's an easy way to get arpen without having to buy stupid items. (Ghostblade, LW, SOTD)

I've run both and I prefer Attack Speed. I might be crazy, but I just love more true damage procs and having a smoother attack animation in lane.

Besides, ArPen scales best vs. low armor targets and when you're getting more of it. Since I'm always vs. other high armor assholes with Irelia and never buying more ArPen, in theory it doesn't make sense to me to buy it, but I guess I might be theorycrafting my way into a suboptimal spec.

I thought she was supposed to be played more like an assassin jumping on the squishies and relying mostly on her Triforce procs than being a tank? I guess she could tank and go Fratma's using the frozen mallet to cc guys, but her kit only gives her one good cc for peeling guys off the carries, and it is only really good when you have the lower health percentage. Wouldn't the armour pen help more than attackspeed?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 28 2011 15:54 GMT
#2647
On October 29 2011 00:51 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:33 Mogwai wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
I thought everyone went armour pen reds? Q and R both physical and it's an easy way to get arpen without having to buy stupid items. (Ghostblade, LW, SOTD)

I've run both and I prefer Attack Speed. I might be crazy, but I just love more true damage procs and having a smoother attack animation in lane.

Besides, ArPen scales best vs. low armor targets and when you're getting more of it. Since I'm always vs. other high armor assholes with Irelia and never buying more ArPen, in theory it doesn't make sense to me to buy it, but I guess I might be theorycrafting my way into a suboptimal spec.

I thought she was supposed to be played more like an assassin jumping on the squishies and relying mostly on her Triforce procs than being a tank? I guess she could tank and go Fratma's using the frozen mallet to cc guys, but her kit only gives her one good cc for peeling guys off the carries, and it is only really good when you have the lower health percentage. Wouldn't the armour pen help more than attackspeed?

He's saying in lane.

In fights you want to go for the squishies, but nobody lanes any of those guys top. Top laners are always the guys that come to lane with Cloth+5pot and 70+ armor.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 28 2011 15:55 GMT
#2648
Frozen mallet gives less hp and damage than warmogs, not really worth getting mallet over warmogs.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 28 2011 15:56 GMT
#2649
http://chinagame.178.com/201009/79488654541.html
Never mind, the chinese guys look kind of scary... KOREA MY LAST HOPE
:)
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 28 2011 16:00 GMT
#2650
On October 29 2011 00:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:51 Sabin010 wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:33 Mogwai wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
I thought everyone went armour pen reds? Q and R both physical and it's an easy way to get arpen without having to buy stupid items. (Ghostblade, LW, SOTD)

I've run both and I prefer Attack Speed. I might be crazy, but I just love more true damage procs and having a smoother attack animation in lane.

Besides, ArPen scales best vs. low armor targets and when you're getting more of it. Since I'm always vs. other high armor assholes with Irelia and never buying more ArPen, in theory it doesn't make sense to me to buy it, but I guess I might be theorycrafting my way into a suboptimal spec.

I thought she was supposed to be played more like an assassin jumping on the squishies and relying mostly on her Triforce procs than being a tank? I guess she could tank and go Fratma's using the frozen mallet to cc guys, but her kit only gives her one good cc for peeling guys off the carries, and it is only really good when you have the lower health percentage. Wouldn't the armour pen help more than attackspeed?

He's saying in lane.

In fights you want to go for the squishies, but nobody lanes any of those guys top. Top laners are always the guys that come to lane with Cloth+5pot and 70+ armor.


I see what you're saying. You sacrifice a small amount of damage on your burst for more lane sustainability. Problebly transitions easier into mid game.
byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
October 28 2011 16:02 GMT
#2651
no shen love in this thread -_-
(>°_°)>
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 28 2011 16:03 GMT
#2652
On October 29 2011 00:33 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
I thought everyone went armour pen reds? Q and R both physical and it's an easy way to get arpen without having to buy stupid items. (Ghostblade, LW, SOTD)

I've run both and I prefer Attack Speed. I might be crazy, but I just love more true damage procs and having a smoother attack animation in lane.

Besides, ArPen scales best vs. low armor targets and when you're getting more of it. Since I'm always vs. other high armor assholes with Irelia and never buying more ArPen, in theory it doesn't make sense to me to buy it, but I guess I might be theorycrafting my way into a suboptimal spec.


Yeah I figured you used attack speed just based on the animation in your stream. I guess with wits/triforce it doesn't make much sense but if you ever plan on going like atmas at some point arpen is pretty good. I'm never sure though one part of me says that you want to stack arpen but then I remember chauster saying that some combination of Arpen and AD is best since they scale off each other somewhat like crit and AD so if you ever plan on getting a lot of attack damage arpen helps a LOT on your Q and R.

Honestly the main reason I used arpen because if I want to play nasus or something attack speed is worthless but since I heard chaox recommend arpen on Irelia I thought everyone did it since they changed R to physical.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 28 2011 16:06 GMT
#2653
Supports are op. Need to not have CC's and do more damage IMO.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 28 2011 16:10 GMT
#2654
On October 29 2011 00:55 JackDino wrote:
Frozen mallet gives less hp and damage than warmogs, not really worth getting mallet over warmogs.


Warmog's gives more Health (1370 vs 700), but Frozen Mallet gives more damage (34 vs 27.4). It's not much more damage, but I'm a stickler for factual correctness.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 16:13:36
October 28 2011 16:12 GMT
#2655
On October 29 2011 01:06 Cixah wrote:
Supports are op. Need to not have CC's and do more damage IMO.


Dude, they do too much fucking damage. I went 6/2/9 as sona yesterday I didn't play well at all and If I want a score like that on udyr I have to fucking tank everything and kill people who are using all their cc to get away from me. If you play sona you just run around with barely any AP just trol lolo lolo lolol spam W Q when theres anyone in range and blast with with your passive for crazy damage. And no threat to you since you can just stay in a safe place and use your spells from bullshit range any time its not safe.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 28 2011 16:15 GMT
#2656
On October 29 2011 01:06 Cixah wrote:
Supports are op. Need to not have CC's and do more damage IMO.

Support Ezreal doesn't have any cc and does more damage. Same thing with support Mordekaiser.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 28 2011 16:16 GMT
#2657
On October 29 2011 00:51 Grohnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:38 Offhand wrote:
I'd like to know who designs the character backgrounds for LoL champs. Some of these characters look like they've been designed by a focus group attempting to target every nerd in existence.

Take Ezreal, for example, he's basically some combination of a Final Fantasy and DBZ character. His backdrop is a "boy who goes exploring", this is every anime-thing ever rolled into one champ.

Tristana is even scarier. Her backstory is literally the backstory one of my friends in college had for her LARP group (replace gunner with archer and megling with half-elf and you're there). They even got the lesbian part right.


Yeah and who doesnt like boobs? ^^

Tristana is a lesbian? o.O
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 28 2011 16:21 GMT
#2658
Why is Rammus' early game ridiculous on SR?

Serious question. I gotta know the answer to this.
Cheese is good for you!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 28 2011 16:24 GMT
#2659
On October 29 2011 00:32 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:31 Juicyfruit wrote:
Today I learned that Irelia's R does physical damage

>.>
<.<

neverreadskilldescriptions


Two days ago or so I discovered that Trundle's W gives him CC reduc.

*brofists


How do you guys play this game...
I am utterly amazed
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 28 2011 16:24 GMT
#2660
On October 29 2011 01:21 Scamp wrote:
Why is Rammus' early game ridiculous on SR?

Serious question. I gotta know the answer to this.

He has one of the fastest first clears of any jungler in the pool. Coupled with having 2 great ganking CCs (one of which is also an insane gap closer and solid nuke, and the other which is one of the longest hard CCs in the game), he threatens strong ganks extremely early.
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