EPT[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 65
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote: See, I disagree. Udyr doesnt have a gap closer, and he is the strongest jungle in the game currently. The bigger problem that Olaf has is that the itemization he needs to survive and do his job (warmogs, mallet) is really expensive. So finding a way to cut down the gold cost but have the same tank is what will fix his issues. Udyr has a haste, i really don't see a point in playing Olaf like an Udyr that has no hard cc and no ms boost. Though i agree that his items require quite a lot of farm (luckily for me at 1400 elo most teamfights start when you have lantern + a big item, unlike on tourney games where you see junglers running with only lantern during the most important moments of the game) | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:03 Craton wrote: Akali and Gunblade do need nerfs. The masses, while retarded in what they think is the culprit, are often right that something is wrong. I was mind exploding over the fact that her shroud, which offers no sustain, was blamed, instead of gunblade. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:03 Craton wrote: Akali and Gunblade do need nerfs. The masses, while retarded in what they think is the culprit, are often right that something is wrong. I don't think she's imbalanced... but there is something a bit nuts about the sustain of an assassin. I saw an Akali rush 2 Gunblades and wrote it off as a troll build... until a single Shadow Dance/attack restored almost half of her health. wut | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:20 Two_DoWn wrote: I was mind exploding over the fact that her shroud, which offers no sustain, was blamed, instead of gunblade. she has the same "problem" that master yi has, due to their sustain (her retarded amounts of spell vamp, his abiltiy refresh when ulti is up) they farm lines of retards really well. they suffer almost no loss of damage taking on people 1 at a time, and often finish fights at 100% hp or close enough that a few minions top them up. shes a better rounded character so she just seems op in random play than yi. my main rage point when playing akali compared to other assasins is that her stealth is by far the weakest, compare her to talon, he stealths (which deals damage -_-), then you cant tell where he is going, with increased run speed, until he is out of stealth. akalis stealth leaves her in a well marked out circle which alot of aoes can completely cover, it feels so lackluster in comparison. so in that sense it feels to me, as an akali player, that talon is a better assassin ; / i use shroud as often as a slow as i do to dodge some damage -_- On October 11 2011 02:22 Requizen wrote: I don't think she's imbalanced... but there is something a bit nuts about the sustain of an assassin. I saw an Akali rush 2 Gunblades and wrote it off as a troll build... until a single Shadow Dance/attack restored almost half of her health. wut how is this any different to getting a decent amount of lifesteal as an AD? ive seen a tryndamere heal to full in 5 melee swings stacking gunblades is a troll build, you are sacking some damage (for their cost) for more sustein, a deathcap is clearly more damage, atleast in the burst, but less healing. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Akali is certainly annoying to play around because she wastes so much of your time when you gank her but ganking her is definitely the fastest way to shut her down. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:44 turdburgler wrote: she has the same "problem" that master yi has, due to their sustain (her retarded amounts of spell vamp, his abiltiy refresh when ulti is up) they farm lines of retards really well. they suffer almost no loss of damage taking on people 1 at a time, and often finish fights at 100% hp or close enough that a few minions top them up. shes a better rounded character so she just seems op in random play than yi. my main rage point when playing akali compared to other assasins is that her stealth is by far the weakest, compare her to talon, he stealths (which deals damage -_-), then you cant tell where he is going, with increased run speed, until he is out of stealth. akalis stealth leaves her in a well marked out circle which alot of aoes can completely cover, it feels so lackluster in comparison. i use shroud as often as a slow as i do to dodge some damage -_- how is this any different to getting a decent amount of lifesteal as an AD? ive seen a tryndamere heal to full in 5 melee swings stacking gunblades is a troll build, you are sacking some damage (for their cost) for more sustein, a deathcap is clearly more damage, atleast in the burst, but less healing. Its a matter of the speed at which gunblade lets her sustain. Yi or Trynd needs close to full items to heal that much. Akali needs gunblade. Thats it. And a single combo will restore her to full, something that takes ~1 second, compared to a much longer time for autos to restore health. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
 ), but you can't really compare the two. Trynd has to be able to run up and whack away a few times without getting peeled or killed on the way. Akali can stand behind a wall, then suddenly Q > R > auto > Q > R and be full in about 1.5 seconds without the enemy being able to respond. It's strong but counterable, for sure, but saying Yi and Trynd can do the same thing is slightly off. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Even when you watch CLG play vs scarra, they stretch out their formation too far so that Akali can actually get a lock-on kogmaw when it's suppose to be nigh-impossible with galio + janna | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
great build or greatest build | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I dunno if they need to nerf Akali or not. I only play her a little bit and I mostly play AD carries so I naturally hate Akali. With that said, I think a lot of the problem is in Gunblade. I wonder what would happen if they just removed Gunblade from the game? Would any champions that aren't Akali and Jax care? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:48 Two_DoWn wrote: Its a matter of the speed at which gunblade lets her sustain. Yi or Trynd needs close to full items to heal that much. Akali needs gunblade. Thats it. And a single combo will restore her to full, something that takes ~1 second, compared to a much longer time for autos to restore health. but in a fight situation, she cant use a combo, because then shes useless, trynd can hit things at random whenever he wants. i realise they arent directly comparable but i just dont think her sustain is that out of hand its true that you can solo dragon with just a gunblade, but at the same time there are other champions which fill tiny niches with a specific item and the whole character isnt called op  On October 11 2011 03:13 Mogwai wrote: well, she does snowball stupid hard. I dunno, her hardest counters in lane seem to be talon and Lee Sin and they're both on the high end of the power curve too. any ranged ad can zone her pre lvl 6, garen can zone her all day. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:45 ArC_man wrote: Funny how people were still against rushing Gunblade first on Akali just a week or two ago and now people are calling it OP. everytime I saw someone in tournaments rushing gunblade on her he was solo top. On the least active lane during the early game that basicly comes down to farming a crapton. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:44 turdburgler wrote: my main rage point when playing akali compared to other assasins is that her stealth is by far the weakest, compare her to talon, he stealths (which deals damage -_-), then you cant tell where he is going, with increased run speed, until he is out of stealth. akalis stealth leaves her in a well marked out circle which alot of aoes can completely cover, it feels so lackluster in comparison. Lol, there's not a single aoe ability that covers the entire shroud, and she can leave shroud while still stealthed for a small time before she is visible, akali shroud is much better than talon stealth imo, especially considering you can't use talon stealth every 20seconds starting @ lvl2 in lane. | ||
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