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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 10 2011 15:09 GMT
#1241
Not sure what is so hard about ranged ADs. Well I guess at lower elos it is a completely different thing, but as soon as fights are somewhat coordinated, it's pretty simple:
Run away, get in range of someone who can't retaliate, hit him a bit, run away again.

Any melee has to go in at the right time, on the right target, has to decide whether to keep going or retreat, has to properly balance offense and defense so he doesn't get blown up instantly but still remains relevant.

Casters have to decide which spells to use on which target, whether/when to flash in to blow someone up and other crap.

Support has to keep track of all 10 champions all the time and decide who to save and who he can't save, know who doesn't need his help etc.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 10 2011 15:12 GMT
#1242
Ranged AD is all about positioning. You're fairly useless if all you can ever do is poke at the undying tank or if you get instagibbed by being too far forward.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 10 2011 15:16 GMT
#1243
for whatever it's worth guys, I always win with Akali and Talon, even if I feed (quite often).
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 10 2011 15:26 GMT
#1244
@spinesheath

It's that "run away" aspect of it that's hard (at least for me) to get the hang of. I either:

a) Overstay my welcome and die horribly because I'm made out of paper

or

b) Only get 2 hits off and run like a pansy, contributing absolutely nothing to the fight

Until you reach that balance of running in and out and staying safe, you're not contributing to much and possibly just giving kills away. You're also useless without a teammate or two to keep you safe, so for new players who want to kill things, they don't want to sit in a group but try to run ahead and kill something by themselves.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 10 2011 15:31 GMT
#1245
Sometimes as a Ranged AD Cait I feel like im completely useless once a teamfight breaks out and they just insta all go for me and no one gets their cc off until im dead. :[ How far back should I be positioning myself as cait? Like do you want to kinda arrive late to the teamfight with her? I know you want to poke but poking requires you to be somewhat closer and if they go BOOM engage your dead if your tank or w/e doesn't peel.
Never Knows Best.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 10 2011 15:33 GMT
#1246
Sit on trap
twitch.tv/cratonz
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 15:39:13
October 10 2011 15:34 GMT
#1247
It would be so incredibly retarded if akali would get nerfed just because of the IPL, basically every single akali sucks so no one really gets a chance to learn what to do vs her.
For the guy with the mouse issue, razer salmosa asia edition is quite nice and cheap, iirc tyler has one aswell.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 10 2011 15:35 GMT
#1248
Basically, sit on trap, and hope Akali/Talon/Shaco/Jax/anyone with a jump doesn't decide to brutally murder you because you look like you need a hug to the face. It'll happen anyway, but hoping can work, right?
It's your boy Guzma!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 10 2011 15:36 GMT
#1249
On October 11 2011 00:33 Craton wrote:
Sit on trap


That only covers one person ;p You kinda explode when you have Akali and GP in your face while your Alister plays the "Never Support, Always Leave Carry" Alister (very common at my elo).
Never Knows Best.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 15:37:57
October 10 2011 15:37 GMT
#1250
Akali should reach you with jump and then be instagibbed (in solo Q you'll be instagibbed instead though, huehuehue), GP shouldn't reach you.

I, for one, fully embrace any nerfs coming to Talon and Akali.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
October 10 2011 15:37 GMT
#1251
So I basically took a week-long break from LoL and came back to it while trying to play a lot less than I used to.

I feel like I play so much better o.o I'm overall more observant and have better control.
derp
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
October 10 2011 15:37 GMT
#1252
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 10 2011 15:39 GMT
#1253
On October 11 2011 00:31 Slaughter wrote:
Sometimes as a Ranged AD Cait I feel like im completely useless once a teamfight breaks out and they just insta all go for me and no one gets their cc off until im dead. :[ How far back should I be positioning myself as cait? Like do you want to kinda arrive late to the teamfight with her? I know you want to poke but poking requires you to be somewhat closer and if they go BOOM engage your dead if your tank or w/e doesn't peel.


Yeah I have the same difficulties with ranged AD. Recently switching more and more to an earlyer QSS/Banshees. Since I play mostly tanks/supports I'ts very harsh for me when I predict a tank charging on so I position myself only to realise that the guy is afraid of getting hurt.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 10 2011 15:40 GMT
#1254
The best part is when your team flames you you were focussing the wrong target, because the carry should run trough 3 bruisers/mage/whatever just to kill the enemy carry.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
October 10 2011 15:42 GMT
#1255
Guys, Poppy > Akali in top lane. Discuss.

Poppy gets Q and E and Akali can't do anything. Poppy's Q does more dmg than Akali's Q, and if Akali shrouds+Q/autoattack, Poppy knocks her out of the shroud plus Q. So Poppy can basically freefarm against Akali.

And farmed/fed Poppy is super scary.
Whaaaa?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 10 2011 15:43 GMT
#1256
On October 11 2011 00:37 Craton wrote:
Akali should reach you with jump and then be instagibbed (in solo Q you'll be instagibbed instead though, huehuehue), GP shouldn't reach you.

I, for one, fully embrace any nerfs coming to Talon and Akali.

In any game that's not 1600+ ELO ranked, people don't understand focus fire or switching targets, so once a teamfight starts, any assassin can just jump in with no fear of repercussion.
It's your boy Guzma!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 10 2011 15:44 GMT
#1257
On October 11 2011 00:43 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 00:37 Craton wrote:
Akali should reach you with jump and then be instagibbed (in solo Q you'll be instagibbed instead though, huehuehue), GP shouldn't reach you.

I, for one, fully embrace any nerfs coming to Talon and Akali.

In any game that's not 1600+ ELO ranked, people don't understand focus fire or switching targets, so once a teamfight starts, any assassin can just jump in with no fear of repercussion.

Even @ 1600+ elo they don't understand it, just ask saint/jiji/regi:p
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 10 2011 15:45 GMT
#1258
My huge gripe about assassins is that its significantly easier to play as them than against them. You have to instantly peel perfectly and then kill them, while they just spam everything and instagib your carry if you don't play perfectly.
twitch.tv/cratonz
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 10 2011 15:54 GMT
#1259
On October 11 2011 00:42 Misder wrote:
Guys, Poppy > Akali in top lane. Discuss.

Poppy gets Q and E and Akali can't do anything. Poppy's Q does more dmg than Akali's Q, and if Akali shrouds+Q/autoattack, Poppy knocks her out of the shroud plus Q. So Poppy can basically freefarm against Akali.

And farmed/fed Poppy is super scary.

Poppy's mana runs out before Akali's pots run out. Then Akali wins the lane :o

What elo Akali did you do this against? :o
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 10 2011 15:56 GMT
#1260
On October 11 2011 00:37 Craton wrote:
Akali should reach you with jump and then be instagibbed (in solo Q you'll be instagibbed instead though, huehuehue), GP shouldn't reach you.

I, for one, fully embrace any nerfs coming to Talon and Akali.


Nerfing Akali is sweeping the dust under the rug; the problem is Revolver/Gunblade/WotA. It's basically Innervating Locket all over again.


"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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