EPT[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 66
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crate
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Requizen
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:07 Seuss wrote: Katarina comes to mind, maybe Kayle. My gut feeling is that, like Innervating Locket, removing Spell Vamp items completely won't ruin the game for the champions dependent on them, or at least will open them up for balance changes that would have been impossible with Gunblade/Revolver/WotA around. Whoops, Katarina totally slipped my mind. Yeah, it'd hurt her too but oh well. I still really don't think it'd throw off game balance at all if they simply got rid of Gunblade. And yes, I agree that removing it would allow them to re-balance a bunch of champions. On October 11 2011 03:20 JackDino wrote: Lol, there's not a single aoe ability that covers the entire shroud, and she can leave shroud while still stealthed for a small time before she is visible, akali shroud is much better than talon stealth imo, especially considering you can't use talon stealth every 20seconds starting @ lvl2 in lane. There are plenty of AoE's that cover the shroud. Nasus E, Kennen R (you can actually hit Akali with all of his spells while she shrouds), Karthus E, Garen spin, and a bunch more that I'm too lazy to remember. Also any champ with a skillshot. It's really easy to hit Akali with a skillshot when she shrouds. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:15 turdburgler wrote: any ranged ad can zone her pre lvl 6, garen can zone her all day. Akali beats a ton of ADs, she used to be a really popular counter solomid pick because of that very fact. Her Q damage even without a followup melee adds up really quick, what with the whole energy is an infinite resource thing, it definitely wins trades vs an autoattack, and with proper shroud use she can zone or get the melee hits to consume marks. Not to mention she has sustain from lvl 1 and you have to wait til you get your dblades or wriggles. Garen is a different story. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:04 overt wrote: If the problem is countering Akali in lane (someone was theorycrafting poppy??) then you just run Kennen. I dunno what jiji did wrong in that IPL game but Kennen shuts her down hard in lane. Kennen shuts her down hard in teamfights. Kennen is probably one of the best counters you can run against Akali. I dunno if they need to nerf Akali or not. I only play her a little bit and I mostly play AD carries so I naturally hate Akali. With that said, I think a lot of the problem is in Gunblade. I wonder what would happen if they just removed Gunblade from the game? Would any champions that aren't Akali and Jax care? Jiji's just been playing like ass lately. Honestly I think too many teams ran jungle Lee Sin thinking it's a sure counter vs Akali when their Lee Sin wasn't up to par. I honestly think Lee Sin is overrated, against these top teams opportunities to gank early are few and far between. I don't think Akali needs nerfing. Scarra's Akali isn't in a league above Westrice's, people just forgot how to counter Akali properly in teamfights. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:21 crate wrote: There are definitely aoe abilities that cover the whole shroud. Karthus E for one. Even Alistar Q has wider radius than Akali's shroud. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
A team properly positioned for 5v5 will shut Akali down pretty hard. Akali dominates the map because she can insta-gib any stragglers and make people scared to ward and oracle-sweep. Dignitas have been very successful with Akali in tournament games and this is strongly due to their diligence in maintaining map control from the onset, and they use assassin champions to maintain that map control and not letting it go because assassins are very strong at preventing the other team from positioning up. | ||
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Requizen
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:28 TheYango wrote: Even Alistar Q has wider radius than Akali's shroud. But does it have greater diameter?! And in response to someone who posted above, blue-pilling does de-stealth you. | ||
NonY
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On October 11 2011 03:17 clickrush wrote: everytime I saw someone in tournaments rushing gunblade on her he was solo top. On the least active lane during the early game that basicly comes down to farming a crapton. Rylai's is much more effective in solo q than it is in arranged teams. And westrice has preferred rylai's for a while (with getting revolver if needed for sustain in lane). So I think the power of gunblade akali went unnoticed for a while. These kinds of things happen. Some builds make a champion more niche and that's usually bad for solo q, but with proper team synergy, it's better for arranged teams. Solo top akali rushing gunblade is something that is really hard to get the most out of in solo q. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
A while back I was complaining about not being able to rebind ` (target champions only). I'm positive you can't do it in-game. However hohums made this post which I found via the redtracker, and the key is in fact rebindable manually. evtChampionOnly will rebind it. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:21 Requizen wrote: Quick question about shroud, does it de-stealthify you if you tele or bluepill? Taking any direct action such as using skills, (most?) summoner spells, attacking, etc. will cancel the current form of stealth. This form of stealth will remain as tactical stealth in the remake I believe. | ||
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JackDino
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Vlanitak
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:33 MoonBear wrote: Taking any direct action such as using skills, (most?) summoner spells, attacking, etc. will cancel the current form of stealth. This form of stealth will remain as tactical stealth in the remake I believe. Kweh? Tactical stealth? I've not heard, is this a sneak peek about the stealth remake? | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On October 11 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote: See, I disagree. Udyr doesnt have a gap closer, and he is the strongest jungle in the game currently. The bigger problem that Olaf has is that the itemization he needs to survive and do his job (warmogs, mallet) is really expensive. So finding a way to cut down the gold cost but have the same tank is what will fix his issues. the biggest issue with olaf is that the slow on his axe is garbage and he has low movespeed source: I play a ton of olaf I really feel like he's fine in every other way, it's not an item problem. Basically it's just really hard to position well with him compared to other champs because you have to work around these things. (i like him a lot more in lane than as a jungler) | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:20 JackDino wrote: Lol, there's not a single aoe ability that covers the entire shroud, and she can leave shroud while still stealthed for a small time before she is visible, akali shroud is much better than talon stealth imo, especially considering you can't use talon stealth every 20seconds starting @ lvl2 in lane. Anivia's R covers the whole shroud. A garen can spin on a good quarter of it, and if you know which half of the shroud she's on you'll do plenty of DPS to her in it. Droping an aoe that removes half the shroud sets you up to hit skill shots on her because she's problebly not standing in the aeo. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:39 Requizen wrote: Kweh? Tactical stealth? I've not heard, is this a sneak peek about the stealth remake? That's just what they call only temporary stealth. "Tactical stealth" aka shaco's decieve, talon's r, vayne's r + tumble combo, akali's shroud, etc. Which is different from twitch and eve's long stealth. I think I read in the stealth remake they were thinking of making twitch and eve's stealth permanent and only viewable when you get into a certain range of other champions though. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:42 Sabin010 wrote: Anivia's R covers the whole shroud. A garen can spin on a good quarter of it, and if you know which half of the shroud she's on you'll do plenty of DPS to her in it. Droping an aoe that removes half the shroud sets you up to hit skill shots on her because she's problebly not standing in the aeo. Twilight Shroud radius: 300 Judgment radius: 330 Fuck a quarter of it, Garen can just spin in the center, and hit Akali no matter where she is in the shroud. | ||
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:36 JackDino wrote: I was more thinking about AoE's like swain's nevermove, brand pillar and garen spin, they actually don't cover shroud. um... Garen's spin as well as many other moves have a larger radius than shroud. | ||
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