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[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 36

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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 00:36:05
October 07 2011 00:35 GMT
#701
streamin summoner's rift with friends!
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 07 2011 00:45 GMT
#702
I think revolver is real good on Xerath, but its pretty good on every champ who rely on spells.
I tend to just do the standard AP and go boots/3pot but instead of stacking drings, i get a revolver and then Rabadons. Zhonya is pretty good against a team that messes up your positioning (blitz/singed etc)
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 07 2011 00:46 GMT
#703
On October 07 2011 09:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i'm streaming #1 vayne


Only got to watch for about ten minutes, need to go do some stuff now. Your Vayne play was good though, I looked up your profile and saw you have a 94% with Vayne in ranked? Damn. You should stream more LoL if you find a chance between practicing SC2.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 00:58:40
October 07 2011 00:56 GMT
#704
On October 07 2011 09:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i'm streaming #1 vayne

Ooh, some nice plays there. Got a question. What's your reasoning for maxing W first, since you rushed a BT (which Q and E scale better off) and since at level 9 most people won't have massive amounts of hp yet? I've always though W was more of a late game skill, but I might not be seeing something. ^^;

Also rejected my friend invite. =(
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 07 2011 00:58 GMT
#705
Tyler jungle Riven~~~~~
It's your boy Guzma!
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
October 07 2011 01:01 GMT
#706
On October 07 2011 08:43 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 08:40 Alzadar wrote:
On October 07 2011 07:16 Drekor wrote:
On October 07 2011 05:29 Alzadar wrote:
Nobody answered me, what do you guys think of sending Ryze top against Garen?

Not much to say, it's extremely effective. Not only will you have good armor but you'll have a root and a lot of damage. Unfed Garen is quite a sad sight for end game whereas Ryze is a monster no matter what.


All true, and reasons why I think it's a good match-up.

On the other hand though, if Garen lands a Decisive Strike on you (i.e. you misclick, you are half a second late on your root, whatever), you are dead, because you'll eat every spell Garen has.

Perfect Ryze vs Perfect Garen I think Ryze wins every time, I'm just unsure about Fallible Ryze vs Fallible Garen.


This also doesn't take into account a flash + decisive strike (out of a bush for example) as it will lead you to being very dead.

If ryze is fallible and garen capitalizes he should win. That being said, it is a lot more common for ryze to be fallible than garen to be fallible (given the simplicity of his skills) so I'd say the lane is most likely decided by the decisions of the ryze


You can save exhaust for when garen flashes.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 07 2011 01:10 GMT
#707
Holy awesome, excited to see Tyler streaming some LoL!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 07 2011 01:15 GMT
#708
On October 07 2011 10:01 rob.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 08:43 Phrost wrote:
On October 07 2011 08:40 Alzadar wrote:
On October 07 2011 07:16 Drekor wrote:
On October 07 2011 05:29 Alzadar wrote:
Nobody answered me, what do you guys think of sending Ryze top against Garen?

Not much to say, it's extremely effective. Not only will you have good armor but you'll have a root and a lot of damage. Unfed Garen is quite a sad sight for end game whereas Ryze is a monster no matter what.


All true, and reasons why I think it's a good match-up.

On the other hand though, if Garen lands a Decisive Strike on you (i.e. you misclick, you are half a second late on your root, whatever), you are dead, because you'll eat every spell Garen has.

Perfect Ryze vs Perfect Garen I think Ryze wins every time, I'm just unsure about Fallible Ryze vs Fallible Garen.


This also doesn't take into account a flash + decisive strike (out of a bush for example) as it will lead you to being very dead.

If ryze is fallible and garen capitalizes he should win. That being said, it is a lot more common for ryze to be fallible than garen to be fallible (given the simplicity of his skills) so I'd say the lane is most likely decided by the decisions of the ryze


You can save exhaust for when garen flashes.


How would that work differently than just using Rune Prison? And wouldn't Judgement remove the slow anyways?
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 01:22:32
October 07 2011 01:17 GMT
#709
Tyler if I may ask how exactly do you run Riven for jungle? Mastery/Runes wise that is. And heck anything else that would be worth mentioning.

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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 07 2011 01:23 GMT
#710
On October 07 2011 10:17 Parnage wrote:
Tyler if I may ask how exactly do you run Riven for jungle? Mastery/Runes wise that is.

He's using AD Reds+Quints, Armour Yellows, Scaling MRes Blues.
16-3-11, getting the AD in offensive, Armour in def, Greed+Buff Durationx2 in Utility.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 07 2011 01:32 GMT
#711
Ryze vs Garen, ward brush in lane ??? profit.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
October 07 2011 01:46 GMT
#712
whatsup with the stream from tyler?!
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
October 07 2011 01:47 GMT
#713
On October 07 2011 10:15 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 10:01 rob.au wrote:
On October 07 2011 08:43 Phrost wrote:
On October 07 2011 08:40 Alzadar wrote:
On October 07 2011 07:16 Drekor wrote:
On October 07 2011 05:29 Alzadar wrote:
Nobody answered me, what do you guys think of sending Ryze top against Garen?

Not much to say, it's extremely effective. Not only will you have good armor but you'll have a root and a lot of damage. Unfed Garen is quite a sad sight for end game whereas Ryze is a monster no matter what.


All true, and reasons why I think it's a good match-up.

On the other hand though, if Garen lands a Decisive Strike on you (i.e. you misclick, you are half a second late on your root, whatever), you are dead, because you'll eat every spell Garen has.

Perfect Ryze vs Perfect Garen I think Ryze wins every time, I'm just unsure about Fallible Ryze vs Fallible Garen.


This also doesn't take into account a flash + decisive strike (out of a bush for example) as it will lead you to being very dead.

If ryze is fallible and garen capitalizes he should win. That being said, it is a lot more common for ryze to be fallible than garen to be fallible (given the simplicity of his skills) so I'd say the lane is most likely decided by the decisions of the ryze


You can save exhaust for when garen flashes.


How would that work differently than just using Rune Prison? And wouldn't Judgement remove the slow anyways?

It would but not the damage reduction, so you wouldn't straight up die I think.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 07 2011 01:50 GMT
#714
What's tyler's ELO at? He's Jungling against Jatt (Dignitas' Jungler).
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 01:52:47
October 07 2011 01:51 GMT
#715
Xerath's range is terrible(relatively) until you are pretty leveled up, unless you want to prioritize W over Q(aka do literally no damage). Even smartcasting his stun takes like a second to actually happen(Q has decent cast time and a delayed effect, kind of odd), there are champs that can gap close in that time(even from max range) and god forbid they have some kind of speed boost(Zilean) or psuedo flash, landing the Q can actually get difficult.

He can farm in lane despite technically being 'bad' at laning because Q is super cheap and spammable and provides decent enough range even without W up.

W scaling cooldown needs to start lower or he is going to be pretty terrible early/mid game, his defining asset is supposed to be his range but you can't 'use' it until you are 100% committed to a fight, or else you'll end up unsieging and then Qing from close range for the next 15 seconds, where you'll probably die.

Situationally he's OP as fuck, but I think he is decidedly mediocre overall. Even if he lands his stun, his burst isn't enough to kill say, another AP carry, who will rape him if they get close, so all he can actually do is stun/poke, unroot, and run away to hopefully do it again later, if ANYONE else is involved and gets around him to slow he has nothing, he can Q them(which is objectively far more difficult to land when they're close) and that's it.

That's my feeling after like 5 games, I still plan on playing him more though because that's clearly a small sample size.
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
October 07 2011 01:53 GMT
#716
On October 07 2011 10:50 Cixah wrote:
What's tyler's ELO at? He's Jungling against Jatt (Dignitas' Jungler).

1500s. And yes, Jatt's in the 1500s too.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 07 2011 02:01 GMT
#717
I had to step away, what did he start with for jungle? Cloth 5Pot at wolves?
It's your boy Guzma!
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 07 2011 02:03 GMT
#718
cloth + pots at Small Golems.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 02:04:36
October 07 2011 02:03 GMT
#719
To the people who ask for a Riven guide:

-Wriggles important. Vewy important.
-Boots+3 or cloth+5. When in doubt, get cloth imho.

So far I'm just getting Brutalizer/Hexdrinker (skip Hex if you're not vs double AP), Giants Belt, BT.

I have fuck no idea how people play her without that giants belt. srsly.


Also I can't decide whether to buy her or Talon next. Both op as fuck if used well.


Edit: Back to gold in solo q, v0v. Thx riven. <3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 07 2011 02:07 GMT
#720
On October 07 2011 10:15 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 10:01 rob.au wrote:
On October 07 2011 08:43 Phrost wrote:
On October 07 2011 08:40 Alzadar wrote:
On October 07 2011 07:16 Drekor wrote:
On October 07 2011 05:29 Alzadar wrote:
Nobody answered me, what do you guys think of sending Ryze top against Garen?

Not much to say, it's extremely effective. Not only will you have good armor but you'll have a root and a lot of damage. Unfed Garen is quite a sad sight for end game whereas Ryze is a monster no matter what.


All true, and reasons why I think it's a good match-up.

On the other hand though, if Garen lands a Decisive Strike on you (i.e. you misclick, you are half a second late on your root, whatever), you are dead, because you'll eat every spell Garen has.

Perfect Ryze vs Perfect Garen I think Ryze wins every time, I'm just unsure about Fallible Ryze vs Fallible Garen.


This also doesn't take into account a flash + decisive strike (out of a bush for example) as it will lead you to being very dead.

If ryze is fallible and garen capitalizes he should win. That being said, it is a lot more common for ryze to be fallible than garen to be fallible (given the simplicity of his skills) so I'd say the lane is most likely decided by the decisions of the ryze


You can save exhaust for when garen flashes.


How would that work differently than just using Rune Prison? And wouldn't Judgement remove the slow anyways?

Reduces damage that Garen does. For example if Garen is level 6 and you're under 80% health, you're basically 100% dead if you don't immediately exhaust him or Flash before he can Q you (unlikely). However I'm not sure if you can exhaust through silence, I know you definitely can't flash never tried to exhaust when silenced before.
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