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On October 06 2011 05:03 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:01 Requizen wrote:On October 06 2011 04:51 Mogwai wrote:On October 06 2011 04:49 Requizen wrote:On October 06 2011 04:43 Zenithal wrote:On October 06 2011 04:29 JackDino wrote:On October 06 2011 04:22 Zenithal wrote:On October 06 2011 01:13 TheYango wrote:
Wriggle's is just straight up better than DBlades on Riven, IMO. She has high base HP and mediocre base armor, as well as effectively getting HP from AD. The stat mix on Wriggle's is superior for her.
Atmogs/Atmallet seems silly on her the same reason it is on Jax. Yeah it's cost-effective, but it really doesn't *fit* her. Again, she gets HP value from AD, so its stupid to build an item that's all HP on her first. Ghostblade on the other hand, feels like too much money in the wrong place. She's a late-game hard carry, buying a midgame DPS item like Bruta is just treating her the wrong way, and the GB active does nothing for her
Just build her like a Jax that only benefits from AD instead of hybrid items. Bloodthirster as you first big damage item. GA/QSS as your core survivability items. IE/LW to round out as secondary damage items. As far as her role, her lategame as a melee carry is potentially stronger than Jax, because she has similar free survivability, more AoE damage, and effectively gets 1.8 AD and 3-5 HP out of every 1 AD she actually buys. So, if you go wriggles as your early game item, how do you build it? I was playing her free and couldn't figure out th efirst item. Cloth 5pot or boot 3pot? Then you just rush straight B.F. Sword and Bloodthirster? Would you ever get Bruta or Phage? Cloth5/boot3 just depends on how hard your lane is gonna be. Bruta is good early because of ad cdr and arp. He said that it was a bad mid-game item though, so I was confused. It has a lot of things she wants, but is kind of expensive, so I wasn't sure if it was worth it instead of just going for B.F. Sword? The ArPen is great if they're building armor at all, and the CDR is amazing on a manaless champ. I'd take it, but if they're squishy and have no armor items, BFS might just be a better straight buy. I've explained to you twice already that ArPen works best if they don't build armor. Twice. In large posts. jesus tittyfucking christ... I had one word backwards and fixed it, chill bro. Typing fast at work means errors happen. highly doubt that or you would have just put no armor i dont think anyone says "no armor at all" that dont make no dam sense son
I'd consider just cloth armor with no built item afterward "no armor", because in the end it's almost useless even just against arpen runes and masteries. "No armor at all" is like not a goddamn item. Sorry if it's not clear :\
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I was a d1 level defensive back and I don't think I can backpedal that fast, really impressive.
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On October 06 2011 05:13 red_ wrote:
I was a d1 level defensive back and I don't think I can backpedal that fast, really impressive.
Haha, I'm used to fucking up and having to defend myself. When you're clumsy and awkward in high school, it's a skill you pick up fast.
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On October 06 2011 05:05 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:03 Brees wrote:On October 06 2011 05:01 Requizen wrote:On October 06 2011 04:51 Mogwai wrote:On October 06 2011 04:49 Requizen wrote:On October 06 2011 04:43 Zenithal wrote:On October 06 2011 04:29 JackDino wrote:On October 06 2011 04:22 Zenithal wrote:On October 06 2011 01:13 TheYango wrote:
Wriggle's is just straight up better than DBlades on Riven, IMO. She has high base HP and mediocre base armor, as well as effectively getting HP from AD. The stat mix on Wriggle's is superior for her.
Atmogs/Atmallet seems silly on her the same reason it is on Jax. Yeah it's cost-effective, but it really doesn't *fit* her. Again, she gets HP value from AD, so its stupid to build an item that's all HP on her first. Ghostblade on the other hand, feels like too much money in the wrong place. She's a late-game hard carry, buying a midgame DPS item like Bruta is just treating her the wrong way, and the GB active does nothing for her
Just build her like a Jax that only benefits from AD instead of hybrid items. Bloodthirster as you first big damage item. GA/QSS as your core survivability items. IE/LW to round out as secondary damage items. As far as her role, her lategame as a melee carry is potentially stronger than Jax, because she has similar free survivability, more AoE damage, and effectively gets 1.8 AD and 3-5 HP out of every 1 AD she actually buys. So, if you go wriggles as your early game item, how do you build it? I was playing her free and couldn't figure out th efirst item. Cloth 5pot or boot 3pot? Then you just rush straight B.F. Sword and Bloodthirster? Would you ever get Bruta or Phage? Cloth5/boot3 just depends on how hard your lane is gonna be. Bruta is good early because of ad cdr and arp. He said that it was a bad mid-game item though, so I was confused. It has a lot of things she wants, but is kind of expensive, so I wasn't sure if it was worth it instead of just going for B.F. Sword? The ArPen is great if they're building armor at all, and the CDR is amazing on a manaless champ. I'd take it, but if they're squishy and have no armor items, BFS might just be a better straight buy. I've explained to you twice already that ArPen works best if they don't build armor. Twice. In large posts. jesus tittyfucking christ... I had one word backwards and fixed it, chill bro. Typing fast at work means errors happen. highly doubt that or you would have just put no armor i dont think anyone says "no armor at all" that dont make no dam sense son I'd consider just cloth armor with no built item afterward "no armor", because in the end it's almost useless even just against arpen runes and masteries. "No armor at all" is like not a goddamn item. Sorry if it's not clear :\
What puzzles me is why you would then follow up by saying that BFS would be an especially good choice over Bruta if they have squishy champs with no armor.
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Sidenote: I want that new Irelia skin damnit.
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Bah, I tried to fix a misworded post without rewriting the whole thing and failed. If this were Reddit, I'd be drowning in downvotes T.T
Continue with the berating, I need more negativity in my life. Having a job in this economy made me too cocky.
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On October 06 2011 05:21 Mogwai wrote:Sidenote: I want that new Irelia skin damnit.
You play Irelia?
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Nothing really happened this patch ._.
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On October 06 2011 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:21 Mogwai wrote:Sidenote: I want that new Irelia skin damnit. You play Irelia?
Neo #1 Smash stream viewer.
She's my most played season 2 champion, #1 at 1v5ing out of lane.
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On October 06 2011 05:31 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 06 2011 05:21 Mogwai wrote:Sidenote: I want that new Irelia skin damnit. You play Irelia? Neo #1 Smash stream viewer. She's my most played season 2 champion, #1 at 1v5ing out of lane.
they need to nerf irelia she is so OP and wukong too
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It's like people who think that Black Cleaver works better against high-armor targets. Protip: IT DOESN'T; BUY LAST WHISPER
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Wait, I'm confused. So you get armor penetration when they don't have armor, but then you don't when they do have armor, but then do when they have a lot of armor? What does that even mean?
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On October 06 2011 05:33 dnastyx wrote:
It's like people who think that Black Cleaver works better against high-armor targets. Protip: IT DOESN'T; BUY LAST WHISPER
That's not entirely true, black cleaver works for your entire team. On that subject, do 2 bc's from different sources share 1 debuff or does the target get 2 debuffs?
On October 06 2011 05:35 Zenithal wrote:
Wait, I'm confused. So you get armor penetration when they don't have armor, but then you don't when they do have armor, but then do when they have a lot of armor? What does that even mean?
If the target has little armour, brutalizer etc reduce it even further, possibly to 0. If the target has like 150 armour 15arp isn't gonna do that much, does much more if the target has liek 40 armour.
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On October 06 2011 05:36 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:33 dnastyx wrote:
It's like people who think that Black Cleaver works better against high-armor targets. Protip: IT DOESN'T; BUY LAST WHISPER That's not entirely true, black cleaver works for your entire team. On that subject, do 2 bc's from different sources share 1 debuff or does the target get 2 debuffs?
only 1 debuff
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the items are not % base, and Arp (like in almost every RPG) scales exponentally 99->100% does way more than 1->2%
I hope that helps
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On October 06 2011 05:35 Zenithal wrote:
Wait, I'm confused. So you get armor penetration when they don't have armor, but then you don't when they do have armor, but then do when they have a lot of armor? What does that even mean?
Don't ask me mate, I'm apparently terrible at explaining this shit >.<
Edit: lol Hydra. Getting SC2 portraits while only really posting on the LoL forums makes me feel silly somehow.
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it means flat numbers are good vs. low armor and % numbers are good vs. high armor and that you shouldn't be mixing a lot of flat penetration/reducation with last whisper because they negatively synergize with each other.
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On October 06 2011 05:40 Mogwai wrote:
it means flat numbers are good vs. low armor and % numbers are good vs. high armor and that you shouldn't be mixing a lot of flat penetration/reducation with last whisper because they negatively synergize with each other.
Wait, so, Brutali will be good if they get no armor, but not good if they get armor. And if they do get armor, the only item I should go for is Last whisper?
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On October 06 2011 05:47 Zenithal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:40 Mogwai wrote:
it means flat numbers are good vs. low armor and % numbers are good vs. high armor and that you shouldn't be mixing a lot of flat penetration/reducation with last whisper because they negatively synergize with each other. Wait, so, Brutali will be good if they get no armor, but not good if they get armor. And if they do get armor, the only item I should go for is Last whisper?
yes, thats exactly what people told you 3 times now.
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On October 06 2011 05:50 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:47 Zenithal wrote:On October 06 2011 05:40 Mogwai wrote:
it means flat numbers are good vs. low armor and % numbers are good vs. high armor and that you shouldn't be mixing a lot of flat penetration/reducation with last whisper because they negatively synergize with each other. Wait, so, Brutali will be good if they get no armor, but not good if they get armor. And if they do get armor, the only item I should go for is Last whisper? yes, thats exactly what people told you 3 times now.
Not really clearly though... I just don't want to hold my team back. I suck at Sc2, I'm going out of my way to try and not suck at this game
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