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On October 06 2011 02:03 Juicyfruit wrote:
She`s going to do absolute nothing, zilch, PFFT while building up that warmogs. Most bruisers can go warmogs because they have high base damage and utility to begin with.
Hmm fair, but part of me feels the lull in power is worth the not dying instantly later in the game. What do you get for defensiveness, then? I find it highly improbable that Riven would just Yi her way into all damage items and no defensiveness and expect to do well. Do you get a straight defensive item like a GA or something, or get FMallet and maybe a Hexdrinker?
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I have to say, I'll probably do a day1 purchase on Siege Archon.
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Does anyone else thing Xerath's spell animations look really boring? I expected at least his ult to have the same visual impact that any other caster ult has, like Tibbers. Even Ryze's splash effect looks better that Arcane Barrage. This is just going off the spotlight, but if its the same in game i'm going to pass on Xerath.
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On October 05 2011 10:17 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 09:31 Firesilver wrote:Lol, just got into played Singed alot and now some nerfs  Ah well, looking forward to seeing how the new champion is though. Fucks given as Singed will still be exactly zero.
That's my attitude when I play with Singed...even when the towers are hitting me.
Are you in my way? I'll just toss you behind me and keep on running.
<3 (Riot-skin) Singed forever
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Does anybody know what kind of W uptime Archon is gonna have in a poking situation? Like, Level 5 W 40% CDR etc. Seems pretty ridic to me if that guy has a shitton of AP and blue and just pokes the fuck out of you from the other side of the map with hard to avoid damage.
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On October 06 2011 02:06 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 02:03 Juicyfruit wrote:
She`s going to do absolute nothing, zilch, PFFT while building up that warmogs. Most bruisers can go warmogs because they have high base damage and utility to begin with. Hmm fair, but part of me feels the lull in power is worth the not dying instantly later in the game. What do you get for defensiveness, then? I find it highly improbable that Riven would just Yi her way into all damage items and no defensiveness and expect to do well. Do you get a straight defensive item like a GA or something, or get FMallet and maybe a Hexdrinker?
I don't play Riven, but from I'm gathering from actually reading the thread, because Riven's E (shield) scales with AD, going straight AD is fine early/mid game. GA + QSS for defensive items later.
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On October 06 2011 02:06 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 02:03 Juicyfruit wrote:
She`s going to do absolute nothing, zilch, PFFT while building up that warmogs. Most bruisers can go warmogs because they have high base damage and utility to begin with. Hmm fair, but part of me feels the lull in power is worth the not dying instantly later in the game. What do you get for defensiveness, then? I find it highly improbable that Riven would just Yi her way into all damage items and no defensiveness and expect to do well. Do you get a straight defensive item like a GA or something, or get FMallet and maybe a Hexdrinker?
Hexdrinker seems fine if you don't need the QSS. One way or the other really. GA best defensive item on her naturally because it gives strictly resists and the lag is perfect for Riven.
In teamfights you shouldn't be getting caught by big cc's and going after stragglers from behind is very effective. Escape and bunny hop around if they are turning their attention on you. Make a mess and drag the fight out to get more E's and BT healing.
I dunno this is what I've seen of good Rivens at least. Yeah she dies much faster than bruisers but the ones who built warmogs did nothing all game long.
On October 06 2011 02:19 Woony wrote:
Does anybody know what kind of W uptime Archon is gonna have in a poking situation? Like, Level 5 W 40% CDR etc. Seems pretty ridic to me if that guy has a shitton of AP and blue and just pokes the fuck out of you from the other side of the map with hard to avoid damage.
Uhh, I think the base cd on W scales with levels. Starts out high maybe 20s at level 1 and 4 seconds at level 5. Don't know the exact values and only judging from the spotlight.
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On October 06 2011 02:19 Woony wrote:
Does anybody know what kind of W uptime Archon is gonna have in a poking situation? Like, Level 5 W 40% CDR etc. Seems pretty ridic to me if that guy has a shitton of AP and blue and just pokes the fuck out of you from the other side of the map with hard to avoid damage.
You'll get like 12 second CD on W with all that. But still, his poke range is pretty sweet with that ~2.5 second laser cooldown (with blue and 40%.)
His laning seems Morgana-esque in that he needs to constantly push, his harass didn't seem very effective against another harassing laner, you take more damage than you give.
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On October 06 2011 00:55 r.Evo wrote:
To all the people who claim "Riven secret Irelia opop" - how do people build her atm? Wanna play around with her in freeweek and see if I buy Talon, Riven or Xerath next. :>
I don't play her, but I saw double lift going BT->FM->Atmas the other day and he was wrecking. Her early game burst is pretty insane and because of her skill cap you can pull off crazy stuff.
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On October 06 2011 02:23 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 02:06 Requizen wrote:On October 06 2011 02:03 Juicyfruit wrote:
She`s going to do absolute nothing, zilch, PFFT while building up that warmogs. Most bruisers can go warmogs because they have high base damage and utility to begin with. Hmm fair, but part of me feels the lull in power is worth the not dying instantly later in the game. What do you get for defensiveness, then? I find it highly improbable that Riven would just Yi her way into all damage items and no defensiveness and expect to do well. Do you get a straight defensive item like a GA or something, or get FMallet and maybe a Hexdrinker? Hexdrinker seems fine if you don't need the QSS. One way or the other really. GA best defensive item on her naturally because it gives strictly resists and the lag is perfect for Riven. In teamfights you shouldn't be getting caught by big cc's and going after stragglers from behind is very effective. Escape and bunny hop around if they are turning their attention on you. Make a mess and drag the fight out to get more E's and BT healing. I dunno this is what I've seen of good Rivens at least. Yeah she dies much faster than bruisers but the ones who built warmogs did nothing all game long.
Hmm, thanks. I'm still trying to get better at taking constructive criticism, sorry if I come off a bit confrontational :\
While we're on the subject, starting items? Someone said Cloth 5Pot earlier, which I assume is just to build into Wriggles. Would you really not get any DBlades early on?
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On October 06 2011 02:29 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 02:19 Woony wrote:
Does anybody know what kind of W uptime Archon is gonna have in a poking situation? Like, Level 5 W 40% CDR etc. Seems pretty ridic to me if that guy has a shitton of AP and blue and just pokes the fuck out of you from the other side of the map with hard to avoid damage. You'll get like 12 second CD on W with all that. But still, his poke range is pretty sweet with that ~2.5 second laser cooldown (with blue and 40%.) His laning seems Morgana-esque in that he needs to constantly push, his harass didn't seem very effective against another harassing laner, you take more damage than you give.
From watching streams the basecooldown on level 5 W is like 6 seconds. If think with CDR and shit you can get it down to like 4.
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United States37500 Posts
I have a newfound respect for Honver's Fiddle.
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On October 06 2011 01:53 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:45 Juicyfruit wrote:On October 06 2011 01:40 JackDino wrote:On October 06 2011 01:39 Juicyfruit wrote:On October 06 2011 01:34 JackDino wrote:On October 06 2011 01:28 Juicyfruit wrote:
I find it hard to justify atmogs on riven when you could be playing atmogs leesin, pirate or renekton instead. You make a great point, riot should remove all but the 10 best champs from the game, that way you don't need to justify anything. Now let's see... where exactly did I say not to pick Riven? I didn't say Riven's not viable, I said atmogs riven is silly because it doesn't make use of riven's strength. Replace my statement with "I find it hard to justify playing bloodthister soraka when I could be playing bloodthister MF, Cait or Ezreal instead". Now repeat the same thing you said. Looking good yet? Comparing riven to bruisers and comparing soraka to ad carries makes even more sense. It's not at all that different when the point here is that you should build a champion to make the most out of their kit, and if your build doesn't synergize with your champion at all then why aren't you playing a different champion whose kit DOES synergize with the items? I can understand AtMog's not being as good on her as LS or GP, but saying it doesn't synergize with her? That seems wrong to me. It's a combination that gives her defensiveness (something you need when you're melee without a single ranged ability) and a moderate amount of AD (which she scales amazingly with). It's not going to give you IE/BT levels of damage, but I don't think it's ok to just write off a good durability combo as bad on her.
I dont even see how Lee Sin gets "more" out of atmogs than her - they like it for the same reasons - they scale well off straight AD because of their AD ratios, are melee and thus need durability, and don't hugely need other attack stats like AS/crit. (theres crit on atma's, but it's somewhat incidental.)
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On October 06 2011 02:46 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:53 Requizen wrote:On October 06 2011 01:45 Juicyfruit wrote:On October 06 2011 01:40 JackDino wrote:On October 06 2011 01:39 Juicyfruit wrote:On October 06 2011 01:34 JackDino wrote:On October 06 2011 01:28 Juicyfruit wrote:
I find it hard to justify atmogs on riven when you could be playing atmogs leesin, pirate or renekton instead. You make a great point, riot should remove all but the 10 best champs from the game, that way you don't need to justify anything. Now let's see... where exactly did I say not to pick Riven? I didn't say Riven's not viable, I said atmogs riven is silly because it doesn't make use of riven's strength. Replace my statement with "I find it hard to justify playing bloodthister soraka when I could be playing bloodthister MF, Cait or Ezreal instead". Now repeat the same thing you said. Looking good yet? Comparing riven to bruisers and comparing soraka to ad carries makes even more sense. It's not at all that different when the point here is that you should build a champion to make the most out of their kit, and if your build doesn't synergize with your champion at all then why aren't you playing a different champion whose kit DOES synergize with the items? I can understand AtMog's not being as good on her as LS or GP, but saying it doesn't synergize with her? That seems wrong to me. It's a combination that gives her defensiveness (something you need when you're melee without a single ranged ability) and a moderate amount of AD (which she scales amazingly with). It's not going to give you IE/BT levels of damage, but I don't think it's ok to just write off a good durability combo as bad on her. I dont even see how Lee Sin gets "more" out of atmogs than her - they like it for the same reasons - they scale well off straight AD because of their AD ratios, are melee and thus need durability, and don't hugely need other attack stats like AS/crit. (theres crit on atma's, but it's somewhat incidental.)
The argument is that LS has much better base damage. Q is 10% enemy missing health, so it doesn't really need a lot of AD to do a lot of damage, and the base numbers on E are already pretty good. Riven's base numbers are rather low, but they scale so well that you make up for it by having a good amount of AD and starting to explode people.
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Is Xerath out yet? If so any streams of him being played?
Nvm Chaox playing vs a Xerath.
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Any news about the items they were going to add in RS ?
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
have to wait for kass, akali, 20 other assassins that are strong right now nerfs before you can play xerath l0l they all take a dump on him mid and he's pretteh bad
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On October 06 2011 02:56 -Zoda- wrote:
Any news about the items they were going to add in RS ?
When they said 'we have a few additional items to go over' they meant item as in, a patch item, a change, a point to address. Not literally 'item' in game.
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Holy hell...I think Archon's gonna be fotm op sometime soon if they dont tone him down.
1k-ish range on everything with siege mode up, which has like 2.5 cd with 40% cdr that also gives 30% mpen. Add void staff and masteries and you have like a total of 60-70% mpen. Very decent scaling, laning is a beast with ridic range+free stun. Once you hit 6, you can get off like a guaranteed 800-ish damage burst as long as you hit your stun.
real champ design.
Assassins are scary, but honestly with good positioning and a good team to protct you in fights it's ezpz. Not to mention if assassins dive you in fights or in lane you can just stun them and unload on their face then run away with W speedboost. Only assassin that really fucks you in lane is Talon cause of silence.
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There's still people thinking Riven is weak ?
Well.. atleast, that mean she will only get buff for quite some time.
if you want to know, jungle with her, flat ad red/quint armor mr > doran blade merc bruta phage BT/hexdrinker if doing well or not frozen mallet.
She's Lee Sin done right, not any crazy base damage so you can't build atmog and still doing good damage. Not a bruiser, but a true fighter, kinda like Xin Zhao.
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