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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 04:13:23
October 16 2011 04:08 GMT
#2581
Doesn't it depend whether your a jungler or non jungler.

I get magic resist per level, but i go for flat Armor
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 16 2011 04:10 GMT
#2582
Probably depends on if you're Rammus or Malphite or not, those are the only ones I could see justifying it.
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 16 2011 04:16 GMT
#2583
On October 16 2011 13:07 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't think...ever? Since most champions start with pretty low armor at level, flat armor is to bring your armor from like 15 something to close to 30. If you want scaling survival, HP/level is better.


I agree with this.

Though, if you REALLY wanted them, I suppose you could get them on a safe jungler like WW when facing a primarily AD team. I think I would still prefer HP/level
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 16 2011 04:21 GMT
#2584
On October 16 2011 11:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:33 Truez wrote:
Did you just ignore the fact that of the 9 champs he listed, 5 of them are junglers, and one of them is a laner that does AD-scaling magic damage (making ArPen less useful)? While there are lots of arguments for and against AD quints in lane, most of them are moot in the jungle, because any amount of ArPen beyond 12 has very little contribution to jungle speed (only Dragon and Wraiths have more than 12 armor), making AD useful for improving clear speed/safety.

AD quints are good Tiger Udyr, Lee Sin, and Trundle in the jungle. They can also be useful for jungle WW, depending on what you're trying to optimize your setup for. Not to mention, that for his most played laner, Yorick, AD quints are superior to ArPen because W and E are magic damage and ghouls don't benefit from your ArPen.


Relax - I main junglers so I know how AD is relevant there. Maybe I should have phrased my question better.

Why do people run AD runes on some top laners/AD carries, such as Yorick, Vayne, Cait, etc.? When Armpen provides so much more in comparison.


Because armor penetration doesn't actually do "so much more" than flat ad runes. You actually do less damage before they have 31 armor because you can't penetrate armor they don't have and they make your last whisper less effective since flat penetration is calculated before percentage. It's been awhile since I've seen all the math behind it, but I remember flat ad runes being much more competitive than you're making them out to be.

Champs who want 25 pen pages are champs that build ghostblade and other flat pen items like renekton/garen, and most champs that don't get bruta items but build ad + lw want ad runes. Champs like yorick want flat AD because it makes their skills OP.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 04:30:37
October 16 2011 04:29 GMT
#2585
% Reduction
Flat Reduction
Flat Penetration
% Penetration.

Reduction can go below zero, Penetration can't ( you can't penetrate what isn't there). The system is designed to allow you to remove a target's resistance fairly easily, dealing essentially true damage, without allowing you to magnify your damage much farther than 100% of it's intended damage.

Flat ArP is best early, % ArP is best late. The more armor the champ has, the less flat does and the more % does.
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volcryn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States149 Posts
October 16 2011 04:29 GMT
#2586
On October 16 2011 12:17 Craton wrote:
It's capped at 11 pages. 6300 IP or pay RP for bundle.


AFAIK Pages for purchase are actually capped at 10, the only way to have 11 is to have already had 10 pages when Riot gave the extra page as a reward for winning some award last year.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 05:09:24
October 16 2011 04:31 GMT
#2587
Riot Support can take it up to 11 (buy 7 page bundle w/ 4 pages).

Pretty much any time you want to go armor/level, go hp/level or dodge instead.
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GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
October 16 2011 05:12 GMT
#2588
For the 11th page just make sure you mention in which currrency (IP/RP) you want to pay so they can do right away.
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
October 16 2011 05:27 GMT
#2589
On October 16 2011 11:29 Slaughter wrote:
I love normal games now, so therapeutic. Have a bad bender in ranked? Go melt face in normal for a game or two. Very soothing.


This is funny, I have the exact opposite feeling about normal games. After a few normals I feel like I need to go play a ranked before bad teammates make me go crazy.

Then again, my normal elo is pretty bad.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 16 2011 05:33 GMT
#2590
Yea but you just have to view normals as not mattering at all. Nothing is at stake, no elo or w/l to worry about just play and own noobs.
Never Knows Best.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 06:01:27
October 16 2011 05:45 GMT
#2591
Technically you do have a normal elo you simply can't see it yourself. Only difference is that generally normals has a lower skill level so you don't need to try as hard to win.

edit:

[image loading]

And so the truth comes out. o.e
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 16 2011 06:13 GMT
#2592
Humans is animals bro.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
chocolatebunny
Profile Joined September 2011
301 Posts
October 16 2011 06:15 GMT
#2593
On October 16 2011 13:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 16 2011 11:33 Truez wrote:
Did you just ignore the fact that of the 9 champs he listed, 5 of them are junglers, and one of them is a laner that does AD-scaling magic damage (making ArPen less useful)? While there are lots of arguments for and against AD quints in lane, most of them are moot in the jungle, because any amount of ArPen beyond 12 has very little contribution to jungle speed (only Dragon and Wraiths have more than 12 armor), making AD useful for improving clear speed/safety.

AD quints are good Tiger Udyr, Lee Sin, and Trundle in the jungle. They can also be useful for jungle WW, depending on what you're trying to optimize your setup for. Not to mention, that for his most played laner, Yorick, AD quints are superior to ArPen because W and E are magic damage and ghouls don't benefit from your ArPen.


Relax - I main junglers so I know how AD is relevant there. Maybe I should have phrased my question better.

Why do people run AD runes on some top laners/AD carries, such as Yorick, Vayne, Cait, etc.? When Armpen provides so much more in comparison.


Because armor penetration doesn't actually do "so much more" than flat ad runes. You actually do less damage before they have 31 armor because you can't penetrate armor they don't have and they make your last whisper less effective since flat penetration is calculated before percentage. It's been awhile since I've seen all the math behind it, but I remember flat ad runes being much more competitive than you're making them out to be.

Champs who want 25 pen pages are champs that build ghostblade and other flat pen items like renekton/garen, and most champs that don't get bruta items but build ad + lw want ad runes. Champs like yorick want flat AD because it makes their skills OP.


yeah. armour pen is mostly for people who have very strong base damage from skills, but not so much scaling.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 06:38:57
October 16 2011 06:37 GMT
#2594
I think after this week (aka after I write 3 graduate term papers that are due in the next few days, l0l) I need to spam games as AD carry, 'cause I'm fkbad at AD. Can only play Ezreal.
twitch.tv/cratonz
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 16 2011 08:01 GMT
#2595
On October 16 2011 15:37 Craton wrote:
I think after this week (aka after I write 3 graduate term papers that are due in the next few days, l0l) I need to spam games as AD carry, 'cause I'm fkbad at AD. Can only play Ezreal.


Cait Corki if you solo q. Otherwise Cait Kog if you're practicing with a premade.

gogo~
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
October 16 2011 08:02 GMT
#2596
Hopefully the put the numbers back on tear. They got rid of them for some reason with this newest patch.
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
October 16 2011 08:06 GMT
#2597
On October 16 2011 10:57 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 09:33 Attakijing wrote:
ok ive been watching regi and dyrus duo queue together and at this point im pretty sure reginald is actually an alcoholic and thats why hes been doing so bad lately. if he feels like he needs alcohol to play well and his full time job is to play LoL...

also "i drank hard liquor for 14 hours straight yesterday"


Don't do this pls. You cannot call out and disrespect a player based on assumptions and a few comments. Alcoholism is a serious problem. If you think that this is true and you care for the guy then try to contact him or something but don't do this.
you are right sorry. Ironically i wrote this when i was a little drunk. Reginald has been acting weirdly lately and when i came to this conclusion yesterday it actually got me pretty depressed. I didn't mean for it to be a joke when i posted it here. but regardless I was jumping to conclusions and i really don't know this guy at all. sorry
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
October 16 2011 09:21 GMT
#2598
Man I suck at ranged AD. <_< Was last pick and my team was missing AD so I picked Tristana and fed MF too much.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 16 2011 10:15 GMT
#2599
On October 16 2011 13:16 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 13:07 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't think...ever? Since most champions start with pretty low armor at level, flat armor is to bring your armor from like 15 something to close to 30. If you want scaling survival, HP/level is better.


I agree with this.

Though, if you REALLY wanted them, I suppose you could get them on a safe jungler like WW when facing a primarily AD team. I think I would still prefer HP/level

Or dodge.
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Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 16 2011 12:50 GMT
#2600
http://www.own3d.tv/live/3539 playing go4LoL with LiquidPartyers :3
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