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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
October 14 2011 05:28 GMT
#2221
Just had a game where I went Ryze mid against Annie. She opened regrowth/pot into philo stone into boots and a negatron. I really couldn't harass since she had the health regen (and I think mr runes) to just take it and be at full health in seconds. And she would just get her stun up and zone me off of the creeps. I ended up feeding her three deaths and our team pretty much lost as a direct result. I can't figure out how I should've played to win that lane. Anyone here have any advice?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 14 2011 05:31 GMT
#2222
Moonbear you may be in bed already however I has a super secret question for you.
With Halloween coming up soon, do you know if they're doing special runes/quints again? I want to buy some AD quints but if that's something that's likely to come up as a special when Halloween comes around then I'll hold out.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 05:42:10
October 14 2011 05:34 GMT
#2223
On October 14 2011 14:28 Treadmill wrote:
Just had a game where I went Ryze mid against Annie. She opened regrowth/pot into philo stone into boots and a negatron. I really couldn't harass since she had the health regen (and I think mr runes) to just take it and be at full health in seconds. And she would just get her stun up and zone me off of the creeps. I ended up feeding her three deaths and our team pretty much lost as a direct result. I can't figure out how I should've played to win that lane. Anyone here have any advice?


Your Q outranges all of her spells. Even with health regen how did she ever get to a point where she could zone you? Just hit her with Q whenever it's off cooldown. If she goes for early negatron plus philo she has so little midgame damage.

I dunno, I play a lot of Annie and just know that if you have your positioning right you should be able to get free Qs constantly. If you're having a ton of trouble with her ask your jungler to gank because if she starts zoning your lane should push to your tower and if she's still zoning you at your own tower she should be a free kill or she has to burn flash if your jungler comes.

edit:
This Annie probably went for philo plus negatron because he knew he'd be against a Ryze. I'd just go tear into negatron as well, you should be able to outlast her in lane with Qs.

'nother edit:
@Defury, just play whichever game you think is more fun. If you enjoy LoL more than SC2 then you'll probably be ok with playing it a lot. If you don't enjoy SC2 as much you run the risk of getting burned out. If you really want to be competitive you need to pick a game you can see yourself playing a ton without getting burned out. Use that as your basis rather than judging which game will be easier to get into the competitive scene. Also, don't listen to people who are worried about the LoL competitive scene dying. DotA2 won't effect the LoL scene at all.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 06:04:58
October 14 2011 05:47 GMT
#2224
Ryze's Q and E outrange all of Annie's spells (except Tibbers if you use the AoE to extend the range), so I think you just want to harass with those as much as possible. You should be able to safely hit her for ~500 damage every 15 seconds or so, there's no way she can even come close to replenishing that.
I am the Town Medic.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 06:00:09
October 14 2011 05:58 GMT
#2225
On October 14 2011 09:18 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 09:04 Shifft wrote:
Thought this was pretty funny.

[image loading]

Remember theres a thread for this. But as a jungler I am disapointed in myself :'(

I disagree with the red. If the lane is there You better be shoving it into their tower ASAP, then B to base and heal. Expect their jungler, not me, to be the one incoming for a gank. Just last hitting when it's NEAR but not AT tower, it's just going to stay there. Shoving it into the tower will reset it to the yellow zone.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
October 14 2011 06:08 GMT
#2226
When try to balance or counter, why people categorize as AP and AD? Shouldnt you categorize as magic and phys dmg? I mean look at Kog'Maw for example. No matter how AD you build him, most of his damage will still be magic dmg (at least half, depending on playstyle and enemy comp).
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
October 14 2011 06:15 GMT
#2227
On October 14 2011 15:08 shinarit wrote:
When try to balance or counter, why people categorize as AP and AD? Shouldnt you categorize as magic and phys dmg? I mean look at Kog'Maw for example. No matter how AD you build him, most of his damage will still be magic dmg (at least half, depending on playstyle and enemy comp).


people say ad for ranged carry, that is the guy who does damage to turrets and the guy who is able to do lots of damage to the enemy team
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Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
October 14 2011 06:19 GMT
#2228
@Defury, just play whichever game you think is more fun. If you enjoy LoL more than SC2 then you'll probably be ok with playing it a lot. If you don't enjoy SC2 as much you run the risk of getting burned out. If you really want to be competitive you need to pick a game you can see yourself playing a ton without getting burned out. Use that as your basis rather than judging which game will be easier to get into the competitive scene. Also, don't listen to people who are worried about the LoL competitive scene dying. DotA2 won't effect the LoL scene at all.


Well I think I enjoy LoL more but I always feel like I "should" be playing Sc2 since I still enjoy watching it. Its weird like I said I enjoy them both but can power game LoL much more.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
October 14 2011 06:41 GMT
#2229
On October 14 2011 14:47 Alzadar wrote:
Ryze's Q and E outrange all of Annie's spells (except Tibbers if you use the AoE to extend the range), so I think you just want to harass with those as much as possible. You should be able to safely hit her for ~500 damage every 15 seconds or so, there's no way she can even come close to replenishing that.

Thats what I thought. Except somehow she managed to combo me twice and kill me. Just, straight up kill me. I was really careful with the second but I got a little to close and she flash/stunned and killed me. Then as soon as it was back up she did the same, took me from 75% to dead.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
October 14 2011 06:41 GMT
#2230
anybody play AP Blitzcrank? Just saw one on stream and reminded me of pre-nerf AP Alistar. So much damage on Q and R.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 14 2011 06:48 GMT
#2231
i do it for the lulz sometimes
GANDHISAUCE
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
October 14 2011 06:51 GMT
#2232
I do it on dominion all da time. Pretty fun.
Retvrn to Forvms
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 14 2011 07:12 GMT
#2233
Are NA servers really crappy for anybody else? I just d/c or had huge pauses 4-5 times in my last game.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 14 2011 07:12 GMT
#2234
On October 14 2011 15:41 broz0rs wrote:
anybody play AP Blitzcrank? Just saw one on stream and reminded me of pre-nerf AP Alistar. So much damage on Q and R.

It's fun, but his E and W scales better with triforce / manamune and AD.
It's a fun and viable build as long as the opponents arent too good
In the woods, there lurks..
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
October 14 2011 07:17 GMT
#2235
can anybody add to my list of the junglers who have scurry lvl 2 ganks?

lee sin
udyr
><

on a sidenote, i hate being top on purple side
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 14 2011 07:19 GMT
#2236
On October 14 2011 16:17 billy5000 wrote:
can anybody add to my list of the junglers who have scurry lvl 2 ganks?

lee sin
udyr
><

on a sidenote, i hate being top on purple side


every jungler that can gank by level 4, can gank by level 2
really the only jungler that you don't see level 2 gank ever is warwick and that's only because people have been conditioned to think it's bad
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 07:22:19
October 14 2011 07:21 GMT
#2237
Strongest level 2 ganks are:

Lee Sin
Xin Zhao
Rammus
Pantheon (If u jungle lawl)
Shaco
__________

Nocturne/Udyr/Blah blah every other jungle.

Forgot about da clown. Twitch too but he's broken.
Retvrn to Forvms
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 07:37:00
October 14 2011 07:36 GMT
#2238
I miss when I could play Singed. Every game I try to play him in he's either a ban or the other team picks him first. Somewhere someplace I just feel like Dyrus is laughing at me.
He's trolling me without even trying..how disturbing.

I've always felt level 3 xin ganks where better then 2. I say that because of the W attackspeed helps greatly to try and counteract the inevitable flash before Three Talon Strike goes off. Just my thoughts.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 14 2011 07:59 GMT
#2239
On October 14 2011 16:21 Chrispy wrote:
Rammus


definitely not
you either get taunt OR powerball not both

kayle level 2 gank not terrible
alistar level 2 gank pretty good
MF level 2 gank real strong
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 08:01:33
October 14 2011 08:00 GMT
#2240
twitch is an unusually good jungler. You would think he would suck like eve did and rely on ganks but he can actually clear his jungle.

On October 14 2011 16:59 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 16:21 Chrispy wrote:
Rammus


definitely not
you either get taunt OR powerball not both

kayle level 2 gank not terrible
alistar level 2 gank pretty good
MF level 2 gank real strong

rammus has a good lvl 2 gank. Top lane will still be lvl one when he ganks. Powerball is 100 damage, plus his basic w auto of almost 100. Half his hp and he'll be dead if he's taken any hits and your teammate hits him a few times.
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