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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 14 2011 01:29 GMT
#2201
been messing around with AD anivia for shits and giggles
really want to try it with a support bot lane though
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 01:39:42
October 14 2011 01:36 GMT
#2202
On October 14 2011 10:18 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 10:13 ControlMonkey wrote:
On October 14 2011 09:04 Shifft wrote:
Thought this was pretty funny.

[image loading]


Ok so I'm new to ranked and I generally play support and junglers. I understand that pushing your creep wave is bad, but I don't understand why warding in the bush like that is bad. Is it to give the jungler more vision of the enemy jungler?

Thanks in advance!

Because if you ward the bush from your side,the only thing you will spot with it is your incoming demise.

It depends on the situation. There are times when it's useful to ward there, notably when you're lane isn't super pushed and you're dealing with a jungler who is trying to babysit a lane. Otherwise you'll end up having to sit with thumb up ass waiting for a CV (which your team might not even have) to determine if he's hiding in the river bush or has left. This applies to top lane much more significantly than bottom, though. The spot marked is a pretty shitty spot to ward, either way. If you're blue team you're better off with ward on dragon and your wraith area. If you're purple team you want bottom tri-bush and that one of the bushes covering the bottom river next to mid. The only reason you put a ward where that picture marked is to be cheap and try and only use one ward, but it'll screw you a lot.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 14 2011 02:02 GMT
#2203
On October 14 2011 10:29 Frolossus wrote:
been messing around with AD anivia for shits and giggles
really want to try it with a support bot lane though


Try the other bird, his kit fits it better
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
October 14 2011 02:07 GMT
#2204
Thanks for the help all!
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2670 Posts
October 14 2011 02:13 GMT
#2205
Something feels good about beating Akali and Talon with Katarina. Beating them with the original snowball assassin is sweet. This must be what an OG feel like.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
October 14 2011 02:16 GMT
#2206
Achievement Unlocked: Hipster Kat
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 14 2011 02:18 GMT
#2207
topic: is katarina an assassin? I get the impression our tl kat king plays her as a poker who doesn't all in as hard as akali/talon/poppy etc
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
October 14 2011 02:28 GMT
#2208
On October 14 2011 11:16 Craton wrote:
Achievement Unlocked: Hipster Kat


This is great lmao.
=O
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 14 2011 02:32 GMT
#2209
On October 14 2011 11:18 UniversalSnip wrote:
topic: is katarina an assassin? I get the impression our tl kat king plays her as a poker who doesn't all in as hard as akali/talon/poppy etc


Kat is a cleanup champion. Let your team 4v5 and get the opponents all low (because no one focus fires), shunpo in and collect pentakill
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
October 14 2011 02:38 GMT
#2210
What game do you think would be easier to break into at an amateur level (think desrow, orb, trump) LoL or Sc2? I am trying to pick one to focus on and start practising like crazy over the next 6-7 months (winter) but can't really make the decision by myself because I enjoy both.

I am better at Moba but only because I played longer in Dota and other stuff. LoL could possibly lead into playing competitive Dota 2 as well when it comes out.

(NOTE: I am not asking what game you enjoy more or think is better that is flame bait. I just want to know what you think is easier to break into at an amateur level)
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
October 14 2011 02:42 GMT
#2211
On October 14 2011 11:38 Defury wrote:
What game do you think would be easier to break into at an amateur level (think desrow, orb, trump) LoL or Sc2? I am trying to pick one to focus on and start practising like crazy over the next 6-7 months (winter) but can't really make the decision by myself because I enjoy both.

I am better at Moba but only because I played longer in Dota and other stuff. LoL could possibly lead into playing competitive Dota 2 as well when it comes out.

(NOTE: I am not asking what game you enjoy more or think is better that is flame bait. I just want to know what you think is easier to break into at an amateur level)


SC2 since it is primarily a 1v1 game. All you have to worry about is yourself improving. That said, if you have a partner that has the same motivation, you can duo queue and probably go for league.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
October 14 2011 02:48 GMT
#2212
On October 14 2011 11:18 UniversalSnip wrote:
topic: is katarina an assassin? I get the impression our tl kat king plays her as a poker who doesn't all in as hard as akali/talon/poppy etc

Sort of. She doesn't have the overpowered burst of the typical assassin who can instagib a carry or support, but that's only because she has to channel her ult. She can clean up a fight just as hard as Akali thanks to her passive. You end up having to play her as more of a poke champ that fights off to the side or hangs back until the fight has gone on long enough for CC to be down so you can get at least some ult damage out before being cc'd.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:00:39
October 14 2011 02:53 GMT
#2213
Re: Akali OP?
[-]scarra[S] 47 points 21 hours ago
She's too strong and synergizes too well with items such as gunblade.
She's got a resource system that never actually depletes, which is always a major problem. Shen has a problem that he can never keep his energy. If Shen had akali's energy returns, he'd be retarded.
So pretty much uh...
decrease base damage of Q by 5 Make R cost 10 energy Make spell vamp % scale worse, up to about 37% with gunblade.


Re: Expect talon nerfs?
[–]scarra[S] 12 points 21 hours ago
Yes.
Mana cost nerfs on W and CDR nerf on his ult is what i'm expecting.


Re: Remove any one champ from game
[–]scarra[S] 38 points 21 hours ago
yorick probably


Re: Best AD in game
[–]scarra[S] 3 points 20 hours ago
cait/kog


Re: Most OP champ?
no idea prob something like zil


I agree with most of what he said. I expect base damage nerfs to Talon's W.
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Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
October 14 2011 02:55 GMT
#2214
On October 14 2011 11:42 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 11:38 Defury wrote:
What game do you think would be easier to break into at an amateur level (think desrow, orb, trump) LoL or Sc2? I am trying to pick one to focus on and start practising like crazy over the next 6-7 months (winter) but can't really make the decision by myself because I enjoy both.

I am better at Moba but only because I played longer in Dota and other stuff. LoL could possibly lead into playing competitive Dota 2 as well when it comes out.

(NOTE: I am not asking what game you enjoy more or think is better that is flame bait. I just want to know what you think is easier to break into at an amateur level)


SC2 since it is primarily a 1v1 game. All you have to worry about is yourself improving. That said, if you have a partner that has the same motivation, you can duo queue and probably go for league.


This was my thought, I kind of enjoy LoL a bit more though and Bnet feels so lonely
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:01:26
October 14 2011 03:00 GMT
#2215
On October 14 2011 11:38 Defury wrote:
What game do you think would be easier to break into at an amateur level (think desrow, orb, trump) LoL or Sc2? I am trying to pick one to focus on and start practising like crazy over the next 6-7 months (winter) but can't really make the decision by myself because I enjoy both.

I am better at Moba but only because I played longer in Dota and other stuff. LoL could possibly lead into playing competitive Dota 2 as well when it comes out.

(NOTE: I am not asking what game you enjoy more or think is better that is flame bait. I just want to know what you think is easier to break into at an amateur level)


First off, since when Desrow and Trump are amateurs o_O? I haven't followed the scene in ages.

Well, this is my opinion on the matter:

Starcraft 2 should be easier to get to that level, simply because you can focus your practice easier. It doesn't require you to have 4/9 other people online to train with, you can get by with just one, or you can mass games to improve just general mechanics and such, in which case you don't even need a dedicated opponent. Moreover, SC2 has replays available, being able to review the game you completed for mistakes or to see EXACTLY what your opponent did is invaluable.
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
October 14 2011 03:14 GMT
#2216
On October 14 2011 11:38 Defury wrote:
What game do you think would be easier to break into at an amateur level (think desrow, orb, trump) LoL or Sc2? I am trying to pick one to focus on and start practising like crazy over the next 6-7 months (winter) but can't really make the decision by myself because I enjoy both.

I am better at Moba but only because I played longer in Dota and other stuff. LoL could possibly lead into playing competitive Dota 2 as well when it comes out.

(NOTE: I am not asking what game you enjoy more or think is better that is flame bait. I just want to know what you think is easier to break into at an amateur level)


Meh personally I think that LoL is easier, since the individual skillcap is much lower. The hardest part about getting competitive in Lol is that you need to find 4 other people who you mesh well together with and can play for 6-12 hours a day.

At this rate I dont think it would be a good idea to invest a ton of time into LoL though because who knows where the game will be as soon as Dota 2 comes out, wheras sc2 doesnt really have any other competition on the horizon, there just arent really any developers that are working on serious competitive RTS games.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 14 2011 03:25 GMT
#2217
Why is it every time I buy a skin people insta lock that champ every game for the rest of the day :\
It's your boy Guzma!
Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
October 14 2011 03:26 GMT
#2218
On October 14 2011 12:00 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 11:38 Defury wrote:
What game do you think would be easier to break into at an amateur level (think desrow, orb, trump) LoL or Sc2? I am trying to pick one to focus on and start practising like crazy over the next 6-7 months (winter) but can't really make the decision by myself because I enjoy both.

I am better at Moba but only because I played longer in Dota and other stuff. LoL could possibly lead into playing competitive Dota 2 as well when it comes out.

(NOTE: I am not asking what game you enjoy more or think is better that is flame bait. I just want to know what you think is easier to break into at an amateur level)


First off, since when Desrow and Trump are amateurs o_O? I haven't followed the scene in ages.

Well, this is my opinion on the matter:

Starcraft 2 should be easier to get to that level, simply because you can focus your practice easier. It doesn't require you to have 4/9 other people online to train with, you can get by with just one, or you can mass games to improve just general mechanics and such, in which case you don't even need a dedicated opponent. Moreover, SC2 has replays available, being able to review the game you completed for mistakes or to see EXACTLY what your opponent did is invaluable.


They are part of the scene but not getting paid to play so I consider them amateur.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:33:05
October 14 2011 03:28 GMT
#2219
On October 14 2011 12:25 Requizen wrote:
Why is it every time I buy a skin people insta lock that champ every game for the rest of the day :\


You must learn to instalock faster than them! I don't know if typing the champion name in question in the search box persist between games, but even if it doesn't, you should be able to memorise the position on the grid easily Unless you have all champs and want to pick one of the lower-located ones vs someone that doesn't have all of them.

On October 14 2011 12:26 Defury wrote:
They are part of the scene but not getting paid to play so I consider them amateur.


I'd much rather use the term semi-pro then, but that's just semantics at this point ^_~
Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
October 14 2011 05:25 GMT
#2220
So aside from the obvious lack of impact of individual skill are there amateur tournaments/teams that pick up players for scrims and what not or do you have to be kinda connected and extremely high in the ladder and lucky to get involved in anything of note at a non pro level.
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