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United States47024 Posts
On October 14 2011 02:51 Requizen wrote:
That's how I thought it worked in the first place when I started buying runes, saddened to realize it was not so. I think it might be too much of a problem to change it at this point. How much to you compensate someone who bought 9 runes already? Well that one is easy, of course.
What about someone who bought less runes, though? I only bought enough flat AD reds to activate my passive on Akali, so will I get compensated the IP, or do I owe IP, or what?
Couldn't they just refund everyone's rune purchases while removing all the runes they currently have? They could respend the IP however they choose.
EDIT: Wow I'm late. Forgot to refresh before posting.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 14 2011 02:38 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 02:28 MoonBear wrote:On October 14 2011 01:52 Craton wrote:
Rune bundle oh too necessary. Talked about this before... Something that was a concern was that a lot of Lvl30s already have a sizeable rune collection and the most obvious bundles might not be suitable for them. What sort of bundles do you guys think would work? One possibility is just a simple discount (say, 10%?) when you purchase 9 all in one go. On October 14 2011 02:26 sylverfyre wrote:On October 05 2011 09:13 Niton wrote:Fixed a bug where Ignite's visual effect would sometimes persist far beyond the actual duration. Fixed a bug in which the ignite particles would persist forever in some circumstances. So important they fixed it twice. RIP Ignite Glitch  Was the IPL played on the current patch? Cause I'm pretty sure the ignite glitch showed up once during the tournament! Fixing it twice must have undid the fix! Tourney server is 1 patch behind. Why not simply make runes need to be purchased once instead of nine times? So I buy the Example Rune once and can then place it in any (and all) valid slots in a rune page? Obviously you would want to increase the base price of the rune to compensate, perhaps to 5x or 6x (perhaps double for quints) what it is now but that still represents a ~33% decrease in rune prices.
Interesting. Here's a question though. What happens to niche runes people don't want to re-use? Say, HP/5 or Crit runes where you'd never use anywhere else. Would you be making it harder for these players with niche rune pages for certain champions?
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Big effort as in: Takes a long time to change everyone's profile, possibly requiring a long server downtime.
From a programmer's point of view, it should be easy. A simple script, run through the whole player database. They also need to have a way to stop people from playing games before buying runes and creating pages - this could require a small patch.
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On October 14 2011 03:27 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 02:38 STS17 wrote:On October 14 2011 02:28 MoonBear wrote:On October 14 2011 01:52 Craton wrote:
Rune bundle oh too necessary. Talked about this before... Something that was a concern was that a lot of Lvl30s already have a sizeable rune collection and the most obvious bundles might not be suitable for them. What sort of bundles do you guys think would work? One possibility is just a simple discount (say, 10%?) when you purchase 9 all in one go. On October 14 2011 02:26 sylverfyre wrote:On October 05 2011 09:13 Niton wrote:Fixed a bug where Ignite's visual effect would sometimes persist far beyond the actual duration. Fixed a bug in which the ignite particles would persist forever in some circumstances. So important they fixed it twice. RIP Ignite Glitch Was the IPL played on the current patch? Cause I'm pretty sure the ignite glitch showed up once during the tournament! Fixing it twice must have undid the fix! Tourney server is 1 patch behind. Why not simply make runes need to be purchased once instead of nine times? So I buy the Example Rune once and can then place it in any (and all) valid slots in a rune page? Obviously you would want to increase the base price of the rune to compensate, perhaps to 5x or 6x (perhaps double for quints) what it is now but that still represents a ~33% decrease in rune prices. Interesting. Here's a question though. What happens to niche runes people don't want to re-use? Say, HP/5 or Crit runes where you'd never use anywhere else. Would you be making it harder for these players with niche rune pages for certain champions?
I think it actually makes those runes more valuable because if you buy the hp/5 slot, you have more options to mess around with finding ways to slip that into rune pages, like say you find you dont need a full 9 armor yellows, so you slip one there, and you dont quite need 9 mr blues, so you throw 2 there, ect. Right now you simply cant do that due to the cost issue.
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No, I was more thinking big effort as in, redesigning prices, coordinating community outreach (don't want people going OMG WHERE RUNEZ), and, like MoonBear said above, dealing with the idea of nice runes. Would you want to pay full price for a Quint you'll only put in once or something? Is it worth the price of three if you're going to only use it once on one of your ten rune pages?
But yeah, the coding would be easy. As a CS major, yeah, it's like maybe a dozen lines of SQL (or whatever database language) code to make the refund, and then snipping together some already existing code to make the store work differently.
Mostly from a design and PR standpoint is where it might get tripped up, and I'd rather they finish stuff like observer mode, maybe updating the GUI, and work on another map perhaps.
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On October 14 2011 03:29 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:27 MoonBear wrote:On October 14 2011 02:38 STS17 wrote:On October 14 2011 02:28 MoonBear wrote:On October 14 2011 01:52 Craton wrote:
Rune bundle oh too necessary. Talked about this before... Something that was a concern was that a lot of Lvl30s already have a sizeable rune collection and the most obvious bundles might not be suitable for them. What sort of bundles do you guys think would work? One possibility is just a simple discount (say, 10%?) when you purchase 9 all in one go. On October 14 2011 02:26 sylverfyre wrote:On October 05 2011 09:13 Niton wrote:Fixed a bug where Ignite's visual effect would sometimes persist far beyond the actual duration. Fixed a bug in which the ignite particles would persist forever in some circumstances. So important they fixed it twice. RIP Ignite Glitch Was the IPL played on the current patch? Cause I'm pretty sure the ignite glitch showed up once during the tournament! Fixing it twice must have undid the fix! Tourney server is 1 patch behind. Why not simply make runes need to be purchased once instead of nine times? So I buy the Example Rune once and can then place it in any (and all) valid slots in a rune page? Obviously you would want to increase the base price of the rune to compensate, perhaps to 5x or 6x (perhaps double for quints) what it is now but that still represents a ~33% decrease in rune prices. Interesting. Here's a question though. What happens to niche runes people don't want to re-use? Say, HP/5 or Crit runes where you'd never use anywhere else. Would you be making it harder for these players with niche rune pages for certain champions? I think it actually makes those runes more valuable because if you buy the hp/5 slot, you have more options to mess around with finding ways to slip that into rune pages, like say you find you dont need a full 9 armor yellows, so you slip one there, and you dont quite need 9 mr blues, so you throw 2 there, ect. Right now you simply cant do that due to the cost issue.
What? No, it would be even more prohibitive. Right now, if I want to try putting 2 MR blues, I buy 2. If they made it one expensive rune that counted as 9, I'd have to pay for the use of 9 when I'm only going to use it twice maybe. That's the situation Moon is talking about.
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On October 14 2011 01:47 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 01:25 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2011 01:15 Bloodash wrote:On October 14 2011 00:38 57 Corvette wrote:On October 13 2011 22:23 Bloodash wrote:just wondering how the TL people are sponsoring Riot via their payment model: Poll: How much money did you spent on LoL?More then 50$ (23) 30% Nothing, why would I? (21) 28% Less then 25$ (14) 18% Less then 50$ (10) 13% Insane amounts of $$$ (6) 8% Less then 10$ (2) 3% 76 total votes Your vote: How much money did you spent on LoL? (Vote): Nothing, why would I?
(Vote): Less then 10$
(Vote): Less then 25$
(Vote): Less then 50$
(Vote): More then 50$
(Vote): Insane amounts of $$$
At the time of posting i have bought 3 25$ cards and 1 10$ card. Your ranges are a bit small though, maybe it should have been 10-50, 50-100 etc. I see that now, I didn't think so many people spent over 50$ to be honest! :o pretty interesting =) It's not hard to justify to one's self though. Especially if you're like me, and come from a WoW or other MMO background. I had no problem with the $15/30day fee because I feel like I got at least 50 cents worth of entertainment a day. And, since I didn't buy a whole lot of other games at the time, $15 for a month of game when I normally spent $50+ on a console/PC game that only lasted a week or so was a great deal. So for LoL, I've spent about $65 dollars over time on champs and skins, which is about what I'd pay for a game, and LoL has lasted a long time of enjoyment. Money well spent. Yeah, for those of us with income, tossing some money in the ring to get cool stuff [faster] is pretty much fine, especially when you have limited time and grinding isn't something you really care to do. Does the $20 LoL Gift Card I got for my birthday last year from a friend count? Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:46 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On October 14 2011 00:39 Tooplark wrote:
Triforce Skarner no es so good.
Rageblade Skarner es so good. gunblade rageblade triforce every champion. i'd like to see one of our resident high elo players smurf and build that every game, without trying to pick champs that do relatively well with that build. see what elo they plateau at alternatively, go the defense route and go force of atmogs every game. AP mid force of atmogs would be sick ;D How about flipping a coin - Heads - Rageblade Gunblade Triforce. Tails, Force of Atmogs? :D Could even do it at champ select and pick masteries accordingly. Rageblade Gunblade Triforce needs a name that flows more easily =[
As one one friend put it, he put years into playing WoW paying $13-15 a month. Where now he is playing LoL as much as he did WoW at the time. Putting down $10-20 at a time for champions/skins is a drop in the bucket.
Hockey Jax, Curling Veigar <3
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runes are fine as is for right now. they honestly need to change their whole business model for the stuff you guys are talking about to not have huge community fallout. as someone who's been playing forever, life is all good with the LoL business model, but the idea of making the game not prohibitively difficult for new players to get into is something they're going to have to address in the next year or so IMO.
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If they changed anything about runes, I'd say remove the dumb T1 and T2 runes. Anyone who knows what they're doing won't buy them, and new players waste IP on them only to realize later that they're useless past 20.
The "mixing" system thing is cool and all, but it shouldn't have to exist in the first place. If anything, you should be able to just straight upgrade low level tiered runes for an IP cost that matched the difference between them. Upgrade T1 MPen reds to T3 MPen reds would require 380 IP for instance.
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On October 14 2011 03:27 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 02:38 STS17 wrote:On October 14 2011 02:28 MoonBear wrote:On October 14 2011 01:52 Craton wrote:
Rune bundle oh too necessary. Talked about this before... Something that was a concern was that a lot of Lvl30s already have a sizeable rune collection and the most obvious bundles might not be suitable for them. What sort of bundles do you guys think would work? One possibility is just a simple discount (say, 10%?) when you purchase 9 all in one go. On October 14 2011 02:26 sylverfyre wrote:On October 05 2011 09:13 Niton wrote:Fixed a bug where Ignite's visual effect would sometimes persist far beyond the actual duration. Fixed a bug in which the ignite particles would persist forever in some circumstances. So important they fixed it twice. RIP Ignite Glitch Was the IPL played on the current patch? Cause I'm pretty sure the ignite glitch showed up once during the tournament! Fixing it twice must have undid the fix! Tourney server is 1 patch behind. Why not simply make runes need to be purchased once instead of nine times? So I buy the Example Rune once and can then place it in any (and all) valid slots in a rune page? Obviously you would want to increase the base price of the rune to compensate, perhaps to 5x or 6x (perhaps double for quints) what it is now but that still represents a ~33% decrease in rune prices. Interesting. Here's a question though. What happens to niche runes people don't want to re-use? Say, HP/5 or Crit runes where you'd never use anywhere else. Would you be making it harder for these players with niche rune pages for certain champions?
I think I was misinterpreted, I was saying if I buy Example Seal, I can buy it once and be able to fill all my yellow slots with it, not by HP5/lvl runes once and use it in RBYQ slots
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On October 13 2011 23:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 17:42 gtrsrs wrote:On October 13 2011 16:43 travis wrote:
wtf
normal game rite..? nah it was a ranked yorick's level 1 is unparalleled as long as you don't run out in front and get bursted, you can't die and you do infinite damage thanks to your E i was 1-0-4 before creeps spawned, came to lane with tear and killed akali and fiddle instantly when they tried to kill me at level 3, dove talon with renekton when he came to defend, killed akali again when she got back to lane, then took the tower 5 arpen 12 AD 13 armor 24 MR at level 18 9/21/0 i mean he's not infallible, the next game after that the enemy team fp'd yorick so i just took nasus and won the game (thanks for the extra 300 Q farm from ghouls, yorick!) but he's still stupidly strong right now WAIT WHAT Nasus gets Q farm from ghouls?! Holy shit, so happy I finally bought Dreadknight skin for him. Also, on the topic of skins, the community DOEs come out with amazing ideas every once in a while....can't wait for Surprise Party Fiddle. (even though he has like 5 skins already....sigh....when Urgot, when?)
Ghoul kills are effect by on kill reward effects like Ashe Hawkshot, TF passive. Have not tried it with Veigar but I imagine it would work.
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On October 14 2011 03:50 Sufinsil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2011 17:42 gtrsrs wrote:On October 13 2011 16:43 travis wrote:
wtf
normal game rite..? nah it was a ranked yorick's level 1 is unparalleled as long as you don't run out in front and get bursted, you can't die and you do infinite damage thanks to your E i was 1-0-4 before creeps spawned, came to lane with tear and killed akali and fiddle instantly when they tried to kill me at level 3, dove talon with renekton when he came to defend, killed akali again when she got back to lane, then took the tower 5 arpen 12 AD 13 armor 24 MR at level 18 9/21/0 i mean he's not infallible, the next game after that the enemy team fp'd yorick so i just took nasus and won the game (thanks for the extra 300 Q farm from ghouls, yorick!) but he's still stupidly strong right now WAIT WHAT Nasus gets Q farm from ghouls?! Holy shit, so happy I finally bought Dreadknight skin for him. Also, on the topic of skins, the community DOEs come out with amazing ideas every once in a while....can't wait for Surprise Party Fiddle. (even though he has like 5 skins already....sigh....when Urgot, when?) Ghoul kills are effect by on kill reward effects like Ashe Hawkshot, TF passive. Have not tried it with Veigar but I imagine it would work.
Already PM'd MoonBear about this, he's going to double check if it's intended behavior or an oversight
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United States945 Posts
Oh the joys of the upper 1100 circle of elo hell.....AP Miss Fortune and Taric then of course they blame the loss on the jungler. I'm so thinking of just sticking with normals after that massacre
Edit: Is there a place the cool people from here chill out in LoL so I can learn to not suck so hard?
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On October 14 2011 03:52 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:50 Sufinsil wrote:On October 13 2011 23:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2011 17:42 gtrsrs wrote:On October 13 2011 16:43 travis wrote:
wtf
normal game rite..? nah it was a ranked yorick's level 1 is unparalleled as long as you don't run out in front and get bursted, you can't die and you do infinite damage thanks to your E i was 1-0-4 before creeps spawned, came to lane with tear and killed akali and fiddle instantly when they tried to kill me at level 3, dove talon with renekton when he came to defend, killed akali again when she got back to lane, then took the tower 5 arpen 12 AD 13 armor 24 MR at level 18 9/21/0 i mean he's not infallible, the next game after that the enemy team fp'd yorick so i just took nasus and won the game (thanks for the extra 300 Q farm from ghouls, yorick!) but he's still stupidly strong right now WAIT WHAT Nasus gets Q farm from ghouls?! Holy shit, so happy I finally bought Dreadknight skin for him. Also, on the topic of skins, the community DOEs come out with amazing ideas every once in a while....can't wait for Surprise Party Fiddle. (even though he has like 5 skins already....sigh....when Urgot, when?) Ghoul kills are effect by on kill reward effects like Ashe Hawkshot, TF passive. Have not tried it with Veigar but I imagine it would work. Already PM'd MoonBear about this, he's going to double check if it's intended behavior or an oversight
it's definitely intentional
you get +3 siphon strike from towers too... it's anything you kill. why would ghouls be different?
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RAWR! SOLO Q PWNING SESSION COMPLETE
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On October 14 2011 03:40 Sufinsil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 01:47 sylverfyre wrote:On October 14 2011 01:25 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2011 01:15 Bloodash wrote:On October 14 2011 00:38 57 Corvette wrote:On October 13 2011 22:23 Bloodash wrote:just wondering how the TL people are sponsoring Riot via their payment model: Poll: How much money did you spent on LoL?More then 50$ (23) 30% Nothing, why would I? (21) 28% Less then 25$ (14) 18% Less then 50$ (10) 13% Insane amounts of $$$ (6) 8% Less then 10$ (2) 3% 76 total votes Your vote: How much money did you spent on LoL? (Vote): Nothing, why would I?
(Vote): Less then 10$
(Vote): Less then 25$
(Vote): Less then 50$
(Vote): More then 50$
(Vote): Insane amounts of $$$
At the time of posting i have bought 3 25$ cards and 1 10$ card. Your ranges are a bit small though, maybe it should have been 10-50, 50-100 etc. I see that now, I didn't think so many people spent over 50$ to be honest! :o pretty interesting =) It's not hard to justify to one's self though. Especially if you're like me, and come from a WoW or other MMO background. I had no problem with the $15/30day fee because I feel like I got at least 50 cents worth of entertainment a day. And, since I didn't buy a whole lot of other games at the time, $15 for a month of game when I normally spent $50+ on a console/PC game that only lasted a week or so was a great deal. So for LoL, I've spent about $65 dollars over time on champs and skins, which is about what I'd pay for a game, and LoL has lasted a long time of enjoyment. Money well spent. Yeah, for those of us with income, tossing some money in the ring to get cool stuff [faster] is pretty much fine, especially when you have limited time and grinding isn't something you really care to do. Does the $20 LoL Gift Card I got for my birthday last year from a friend count? On October 14 2011 00:46 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On October 14 2011 00:39 Tooplark wrote:
Triforce Skarner no es so good.
Rageblade Skarner es so good. gunblade rageblade triforce every champion. i'd like to see one of our resident high elo players smurf and build that every game, without trying to pick champs that do relatively well with that build. see what elo they plateau at alternatively, go the defense route and go force of atmogs every game. AP mid force of atmogs would be sick ;D How about flipping a coin - Heads - Rageblade Gunblade Triforce. Tails, Force of Atmogs? :D Could even do it at champ select and pick masteries accordingly. Rageblade Gunblade Triforce needs a name that flows more easily =[ As one one friend put it, he put years into playing WoW paying $13-15 a month. Where now he is playing LoL as much as he did WoW at the time. Putting down $10-20 at a time for champions/skins is a drop in the bucket.
Hah! Anchoring strikes again.
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On October 14 2011 03:45 Requizen wrote:
If they changed anything about runes, I'd say remove the dumb T1 and T2 runes. Anyone who knows what they're doing won't buy them, and new players waste IP on them only to realize later that they're useless past 20.
The "mixing" system thing is cool and all, but it shouldn't have to exist in the first place. If anything, you should be able to just straight upgrade low level tiered runes for an IP cost that matched the difference between them. Upgrade T1 MPen reds to T3 MPen reds would require 380 IP for instance.
T1 runes are fine. They're extremely cheap, 55-60% as good as T3, and very useful for new accounts. If I were starting from scratch I probably wouldn't buy any T3 runes at all (save perhaps for Armor Seals) until I'd bought 20-30 champions. The problem is the community is way too obsessed with having the best possible runes when they'd do a lot better if they just learned to last hit better.
That said, shifting away from the rune lottery to an upgrade system would probably make T1/T2 runes a lot more common and useful.
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On October 14 2011 03:58 Kyhron wrote:
Oh the joys of the upper 1100 circle of elo hell.....AP Miss Fortune and Taric then of course they blame the loss on the jungler. I'm so thinking of just sticking with normals after that massacre
Edit: Is there a place the cool people from here chill out in LoL so I can learn to not suck so hard?
Too bad they're always on your team and the other team is 1900s in disguise... oh wait.
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Also, how to win solo Q, I found the ultimate solution.
-Watch 300.
-Pick Pantheon/Jarman/Renekton.
-Win game.
YES IT IS THAT EASY MY FELLOW SUMMONERS.
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On October 14 2011 04:04 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:52 STS17 wrote:On October 14 2011 03:50 Sufinsil wrote:On October 13 2011 23:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2011 17:42 gtrsrs wrote:On October 13 2011 16:43 travis wrote:
wtf
normal game rite..? nah it was a ranked yorick's level 1 is unparalleled as long as you don't run out in front and get bursted, you can't die and you do infinite damage thanks to your E i was 1-0-4 before creeps spawned, came to lane with tear and killed akali and fiddle instantly when they tried to kill me at level 3, dove talon with renekton when he came to defend, killed akali again when she got back to lane, then took the tower 5 arpen 12 AD 13 armor 24 MR at level 18 9/21/0 i mean he's not infallible, the next game after that the enemy team fp'd yorick so i just took nasus and won the game (thanks for the extra 300 Q farm from ghouls, yorick!) but he's still stupidly strong right now WAIT WHAT Nasus gets Q farm from ghouls?! Holy shit, so happy I finally bought Dreadknight skin for him. Also, on the topic of skins, the community DOEs come out with amazing ideas every once in a while....can't wait for Surprise Party Fiddle. (even though he has like 5 skins already....sigh....when Urgot, when?) Ghoul kills are effect by on kill reward effects like Ashe Hawkshot, TF passive. Have not tried it with Veigar but I imagine it would work. Already PM'd MoonBear about this, he's going to double check if it's intended behavior or an oversight it's definitely intentional you get +3 siphon strike from towers too... it's anything you kill. why would ghouls be different?
That's poor logic. If it is a bug, it would effect all "on kill: get bonus" type effects not just one or two.
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