EPT[Patch 1.0.0.125: Riven] General Discussion - Page 33
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:21 Flakes wrote: Inc smashgizmo memorial QQ thread for season 2 I wasn't going to QQ about it, but Two_Down brought it up, so I blame him for my whiny bitching. On September 16 2011 03:16 Southlight wrote: Were they as bad as some of our duo queue 1700 ranked games? yea, worse. Like, literally, full HP Annie ran away from 4 low HP enemies who were all locked on my irelia with her GA up. I gave our team so many chances to win that game but their will to lose was just too strong. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
So just asking there. I built her like Ap carry first time I played, straight into Rabadons. A friend who pley her often said then WotA is must have on her (he also said Karma was a support, I have hard times truting him  ), I tried but didn't looked impressive.Also, at lvl18 she should have 3 mantra stack rite ? I never got more than 2... | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
tbh, u cant go wrong with wota on any ap-centric champion | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
...feels like it's fucking christmas | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:11 zalz wrote: Talon is still a pretty weird champion. 99/100 times they are shit and i laugh all the way to the bank as i rake up ez kills. Ooh yeah and 1/100 times Talon suddenly starts 1-shotting people. Even then i feel like he falls of pretty hard. I don't own him but i do wonder what makes him so popular. He doesn't strike me as exceptionally fun or strong and yet people are constantly playing him. well, he is new and he is a good assassin like akali. quite similar with the stealth decoy, talon is more ae and hits everyone while akali is faster. i think RS picked up talon in one game against TSM when akali got banned. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4330 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:23 Mogwai wrote: I wasn't going to QQ about it, but Two_Down brought it up, so I blame him for my whiny bitching. yea, worse. Like, literally, full HP Annie ran away from 4 low HP enemies who were all locked on my irelia with her GA up. I gave our team so many chances to win that game but their will to lose was just too strong. I had a game like that but I was mordekaiser. my Brazilian isn't strong enough. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:34 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: I had a game like that but I was mordekaiser. my Brazilian isn't strong enough. Thats not your fault. Morde es dead. Riot es killed him. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On another note, I'm going to start playing Riven as a glass-cannon cleanup champ. Arrive to teamfights late and then R all the low-HP enemies and then finish them all off huehue. Wriggle-> BT-> LW -> QSS -> GA, could work? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:28 -Zoda- wrote: Wait, there isn't a Karma thread yet ? :X So just asking there. I built her like Ap carry first time I played, straight into Rabadons. A friend who pley her often said then WotA is must have on her (he also said Karma was a support, I have hard times truting him ), I tried but didn't looked impressive.Also, at lvl18 she should have 3 mantra stack rite ? I never got more than 2... I'll make one next week. WotA is extremely overrated on her. I only ever rush it when we're Aura-push cheesing. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:34 LaNague wrote: well, he is new and he is a good assassin like akali. quite similar with the stealth decoy, talon is more ae and hits everyone while akali is faster. i think RS picked up talon in one game against TSM when akali got banned. He didn't really do anything productive except lose his lane though. I'd go so far as to say as talon was the weakest link, but Jatt's udyr is simply amazing and made up for it. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:44 Hakker wrote: He didn't really do anything productive except lose his lane though. I'd go so far as to say as talon was the weakest link, but Jatt's udyr is simply amazing and made up for it. He's got decent to great damage at all points in the game. He's also a pretty good anti-carry, with teleport/silence/slow/ult to escape or kill, if you can get on one or two targets he's pretty good. Not the best at his job, but I think he's right after Akali in terms of the "assassin" role. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:49 Juicyfruit wrote: Smash, do you rush a deathcap or do RoA first? I typically do Abyssal -> Deathcap. Because double dring -> negatron is unbeatable for AP carries. | ||
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Iskusstvo
United Kingdom323 Posts
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
On September 16 2011 03:34 LaNague wrote: well, he is new and he is a good assassin like akali. quite similar with the stealth decoy, talon is more ae and hits everyone while akali is faster. i think RS picked up talon in one game against TSM when akali got banned. On September 16 2011 03:11 zalz wrote: Talon is still a pretty weird champion. 99/100 times they are shit and i laugh all the way to the bank as i rake up ez kills. Ooh yeah and 1/100 times Talon suddenly starts 1-shotting people. Even then i feel like he falls of pretty hard. I don't own him but i do wonder what makes him so popular. He doesn't strike me as exceptionally fun or strong and yet people are constantly playing him. I personally think he's scary as hell. He can initiate a teamfight, escape, then play Kassadin's role after. He's a melee LeBlanc: Assuming you manage to get your blades to hit 2x, here's the burst vs 1 Target with no AD (E Amplifies dmg by 15%) W = (130 * 2) * 1.15 = 299 Q = (150 * 1.15) = 172.5 Q Bleed = 90 (not sure if amplified. Damage is over 6 seconds and amplification is over 3 seconds, so lets assume it's not.. amplification over 3 secs isn't a big deal anyway) R = (270 * 2) * 1.15 = 621 299+172.5+90+621 = 1182.5 to a single target. A lot of this is AOE. Taking out his Q and the amplification, you get: (130 * 2) + (270 * 2) = 800 AoE, assuming each attack hits 2x of course. Remember, this is without any bonus AD... His ratios are crazy insane.... Q's Bleed = 1.2 W's = .6 each way, so effectively 1.2 R's = .9 each way, so effectively 1.8 <----- 1.8!!!! Lets calculate damage for Ghostblade (+30) & Wriggles (+23 damage) = +53 damage: Q Base: (150 + (.3 * 53)) * 1.15 = 190.785 Q Bleed (90 + (1.2 * 53)) = 153.6 W ((130 + (.6 * 53)) * 2) * 1.15 = 372.14 R ((270 + (.9 * 53)) * 2 ) * 1.15 = 730.71 Single Target Dmg: 1447.235 AOE Dmg: 323.6 + 635.4 = 959 The trick to palying him right is to Prime Q, E on someone, Hit W, then R really quick and GTFO. You won't kill anyone (unless they're really suqishy), but you'll really really soften them up for the team. Once the team shitstorm begins, THEN you can re-initiate. I know this assumes 0 armor, but it's still ridiculous. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 16 2011 01:49 Caller wrote: The main problem with Riven is that there is just no incentive to autoattack. Why would I autoattack when I can run around flipping like a fucking waffle? Sure, there are the “3 charges” from the passive, but she plays like Renekton and Garen in this sense of being a melee CD based champion. [...] Since you build AD, you're wasting a lot of damage potential not right-clicking. Q-click-Q-click-Q-click should be a lot of damage, especially when combined with her passive. I suppose a closer example would be to Lee Sin where you can Q-Q leap in-autoattack-W out which goes marginally more damage than without the auto-attack. It might not be a massive increase in damage, but every little bit counts. It's sort of like animation cancelling when chasing someone. Those little bits add up. Even more so when you want to build raw AD like with BT which will heal you. On September 16 2011 01:49 Caller wrote: Next: W: The problem with W is not its implementation but how dependent it is on the ultimate for it to be of any use. Its non-ultimate range is too damn short and the stun is barely noticeable. I think this can be fixed by allowing W to cancel longer animations, such as Q. [...] Cleaner animation seem do-able. Post it on the forums mayhaps? On September 16 2011 01:49 Caller wrote: E: First off, I hate the whole fucking shield mechanic that Riot has been forcefeeding us with people like Rumble and Skarner and so on. Shields are preferable in Riot's opinion since they discourage sustain but still allow you to tank damage. It's also designed to encourage more "clutch" usage of your spells instead of that Lolraka heal syndrome. On September 16 2011 01:49 Caller wrote: So yes, give her a very short period in her dash where she is immune to CC. Like, “vulnerable----super armor----vulnerable.” Lower the ratio on her shield to make up for this. Being invulnerable to CC risks an Irelia 2.0. I'm not sure how Design would see this. Gap-closers by their very nature tilt the balance between assassins+fighters v carries and one of the tools for dealing with divers is CC. The shield already has a 1.0 AD Ratio as well. On September 16 2011 01:49 Caller wrote: R: [...] Keep the damage and range boost, but change the active from some weird aoe execute into something more sword related. [...] While there's nothing wrong with new ideas, a complete re-work of her ultimate will not happen. She's already been released and it would take up a massive amount of resources (from art, to animation to engineering) to make something completely different. Dominion is already starved for resources for the final release. Best bet for something like this would be if they rework her, but that won't be any time soon. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 16 2011 04:02 Phunkapotamus wrote: I personally think he's scary as hell. He can initiate a teamfight, escape, then play Kassadin's role after. He's a melee LeBlanc: Assuming you manage to get your blades to hit 2x, here's the burst vs 1 Target with no AD (E Amplifies dmg by 15%) W = (130 * 2) * 1.15 = 299 Q = (150 * 1.15) = 172.5 Q Bleed = 90 (not sure if amplified. Damage is over 6 seconds and amplification is over 3 seconds, so lets assume it's not.. amplification over 3 secs isn't a big deal anyway) R = (270 * 2) * 1.15 = 621 299+172.5+90+621 = 1182.5 to a single target. A lot of this is AOE. Taking out his Q and the amplification, you get: (130 * 2) + (270 * 2) = 800 AoE, assuming each attack hits 2x of course. Remember, this is without any bonus AD... His ratios are crazy insane.... Q's Bleed = 1.2 W's = .6 each way, so effectively 1.2 R's = .9 each way, so effectively 1.8 <----- 1.8!!!! Lets calculate damage for Ghostblade (+30) & Wriggles (+23 damage) = +53 damage: Q Base: (150 + (.3 * 53)) * 1.15 = 190.785 Q Bleed (90 + (1.2 * 53)) = 153.6 W ((130 + (.6 * 53)) * 2) * 1.15 = 372.14 R ((270 + (.9 * 53)) * 2 ) * 1.15 = 730.71 Single Target Dmg: 1447.235 AOE Dmg: 323.6 + 635.4 = 959 The trick to palying him right is to Prime Q, E on someone, Hit W, then R really quick and GTFO. You won't kill anyone (unless they're really suqishy), but you'll really really soften them up for the team. Once the team shitstorm begins, THEN you can re-initiate. I know this assumes 0 armor, but it's still ridiculous. 1k burst without items at level 18 is about standard | ||
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