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Riven just feels too damn derp in teamfights. If the intention was for her to feel like playing a fighter, it both succeeds and fails.
It totally succeeds for me. Of course, I only buttonmash fighting games, so take that as you will 
And the point of W, I think, isn't to be a CC type stun, but more of a "oh shit interrupt that" ability. Nunu's ult comes to mind, as does Malz's if you see him doing it on an opponent.
I don't mind the shields, per se, but yeah they could have done something different with it. Super frames would be interesting, but too abusable maybe.
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On September 16 2011 01:42 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 01:08 Mogwai wrote:
Just an FYI, I will be exclusively solo queueing on my main to prove a bunch of whiny smashers wrong about how high elo is only high elo because they have high elo friends that they duo with. I'll be happy to duo on Gizbro and Rock Rock On though. Duo queue blows, what the fuck.
True indeed. When I duo Q, even Regi plays poorly (WHATDAFUCK FB AT 1:30).
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On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce.
Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time.
Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump
This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z.
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On September 16 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce. Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time. Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z.
I think it's less "removing skill" and more "not every champion should be able to get through walls". While it does kinda suck for escape, I kinda like that they're mixing it up making a charge that doesn't teleport through walls, makes for different gameplay. It's more for repositioning than for flying halfway across the screen.
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On September 16 2011 01:49 Caller wrote:
E: First off, I hate the whole fucking shield mechanic that Riot has been forcefeeding us with people like Rumble and Skarner and so on. So I’m not a terrible fan of it on this ability. Secondly, shields are fucking boring. I really hate shields. That said I like the idea of a short repositioning dash, and a way to let her be more effective as an actually melee DPS (and not a melee caster) is to give her E super armor. Super Armor meaning invulnerability to hitstuns and shit. So yes, give her a very short period in her dash where she is immune to CC. Like, “vulnerable----super armor----vulnerable.” Lower the ratio on her shield to make up for this.
I would have instabought Riven if this was her E.
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On September 16 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce. Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time. Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z.
Okay but Vayne's tumble has no logical explanation why it should be able to go over a wall. Most things that can don't designate that you remain on the floor the entire time (ie its entirely plausible that shen jumps when he dashes)
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It was interesting when Riot said Riven is inspired from fighting games. Lo and behold her "combos" are uhh.. three Q presses? C'mon now Riot, there's three other buttons to use.
She would have been amazing if Q initiator is followed by a choice of other action keys to follow up on the combo. Oh well, perhaps the next fighting game inspired champ will have this mechanic.
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E: First off, I hate the whole fucking shield mechanic that Riot has been forcefeeding us with people like Rumble and Skarner and so on. So I’m not a terrible fan of it on this ability. Secondly, shields are fucking boring. I really hate shields. That said I like the idea of a short repositioning dash, and a way to let her be more effective as an actually melee DPS (and not a melee caster) is to give her E super armor. Super Armor meaning invulnerability to hitstuns and shit. So yes, give her a very short period in her dash where she is immune to CC. Like, “vulnerable----super armor---
Xypherous tried that ( well, he said so )
But it was too easy to abuse it to block very powerfull spell by luck. :/
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On September 16 2011 02:10 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote:On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce. Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time. Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z. Okay but Vayne's tumble has no logical explanation why it should be able to go over a wall. Most things that can don't designate that you remain on the floor the entire time (ie its entirely plausible that shen jumps when he dashes)
Then again, tumble goes over Jarman ult.
Xypherous tried that ( well, he said so )
But it was too easy to abuse it to block very powerfull spell by luck. :/
How can it be abuse if you're doing it by luck?
The whole point of that design would be to reward skilled usage.
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On September 16 2011 02:13 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +
E: First off, I hate the whole fucking shield mechanic that Riot has been forcefeeding us with people like Rumble and Skarner and so on. So I’m not a terrible fan of it on this ability. Secondly, shields are fucking boring. I really hate shields. That said I like the idea of a short repositioning dash, and a way to let her be more effective as an actually melee DPS (and not a melee caster) is to give her E super armor. Super Armor meaning invulnerability to hitstuns and shit. So yes, give her a very short period in her dash where she is immune to CC. Like, “vulnerable----super armor---
Xypherous tried that ( well, he said so ) But it was too easy to abuse it to block very powerfull spell by luck. :/
oh right its so fucking hard to cast tibbers
good thing the spell shields in the game don't already last 5 seconds
oh wait they do
Seriously, Nocturne vs. Riven.
Passive: Nocturne gets AOE Damage and Lifesteal every something attacks, vs. small bonus damage after using an ability.
Q: Nocturne gets damage and Ghost.
Riven gets three hops.
W: Nocturne gets a spell shield and an attack steroid that becomes even more insane.
Riven has an AOE .5 second stun in melee range (and not even!)
E: Nocturne has a 1.5 second fear.
Riven dashes forward 2 inches.with a dumb shield.
R: Nocturne goes ZOOM ZOOM RAPE BUS ACROSS THE MAP AND DARKNESS.
Riven has Carrion Swarm.
Nocturne has better stats and can jungle. Riven... can't.
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Riven's E also goes over jarman's ult. Wish I knew that when I was actually fighting Jarman though -_-
Funny thing is that if you use Riven's W against anyone with merc treads, you'll end up being rooted longer than they are since casting W makes u stand still and stop attacking zzz.
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On September 16 2011 02:14 Lanzoma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 02:10 Phrost wrote:On September 16 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote:On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce. Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time. Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z. Okay but Vayne's tumble has no logical explanation why it should be able to go over a wall. Most things that can don't designate that you remain on the floor the entire time (ie its entirely plausible that shen jumps when he dashes) Then again, tumble goes over Jarman ult. Show nested quote +Xypherous tried that ( well, he said so )
But it was too easy to abuse it to block very powerfull spell by luck. :/ How can it be abuse if you're doing it by luck? The whole point of that design would be to reward skilled usage.
Then again, everything goes over Jarman ult.
Kidding aside, I think when he said "luck", he meant "sometimes you'd be in a team fight, hit E to move closer to an enemy, and suddenly get saved from something that'd kill you otherwise". It happens elsewhere, but it's not really a good mechanic, especially on a skill you're going to hit nearly every CD.
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Re jump distances: Vayne and Riven jumps are so short that the number of things they actually pass through is incredibly limited so the functionality was removed.
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On September 16 2011 02:19 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 02:14 Lanzoma wrote:On September 16 2011 02:10 Phrost wrote:On September 16 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote:On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce. Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time. Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z. Okay but Vayne's tumble has no logical explanation why it should be able to go over a wall. Most things that can don't designate that you remain on the floor the entire time (ie its entirely plausible that shen jumps when he dashes) Then again, tumble goes over Jarman ult. Xypherous tried that ( well, he said so )
But it was too easy to abuse it to block very powerfull spell by luck. :/ How can it be abuse if you're doing it by luck? The whole point of that design would be to reward skilled usage. Then again, everything goes over Jarman ult. Kidding aside, I think when he said "luck", he meant "sometimes you'd be in a team fight, hit E to move closer to an enemy, and suddenly get saved from something that'd kill you otherwise". It happens elsewhere, but it's not really a good mechanic, especially on a skill you're going to hit nearly every CD.
which is bloody why you create a very friggin narrow window instead of being garen and DEMACIA for five seconds, herp
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On September 16 2011 02:10 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 02:00 Two_DoWn wrote:On September 16 2011 01:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
My biggest complaint: 0.5second stun is a fucking jooooooooke :S
Second biggest complain: E should at least dash through the same walls as nidalee can do with pounce. Riot= removing skill from the game one new champ at a time. Reason for no dash through walls- Not enough walls are jumpable with a 200 distance jump This is after vayne cant do walls either. Z_Z. Okay but Vayne's tumble has no logical explanation why it should be able to go over a wall. Most things that can don't designate that you remain on the floor the entire time (ie its entirely plausible that shen jumps when he dashes)
No, dude, Shen is a flipping Ninja. No further explanation is required.
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Huge fight breaks out after Spain gets Baron and...Commercial followed by another commerical 
Apparently Spain destroyed them even though they were all super low after baron. Game comes back on and they took two inhibs ^_^
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On September 16 2011 02:19 MoonBear wrote:
Re jump distances: Vayne and Riven jumps are so short that the number of things they actually pass through is incredibly limited so the functionality was removed.
Honestly I dont care how limited it is. In the name of consistency, it should work. Plus it actually rewards game knowledge. Forget fixing my graphics, Id love you forever if you could get them to make that change.
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On September 16 2011 02:28 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 02:19 MoonBear wrote:
Re jump distances: Vayne and Riven jumps are so short that the number of things they actually pass through is incredibly limited so the functionality was removed. Honestly I dont care how limited it is. In the name of consistency, it should work. Plus it actually rewards game knowledge. Forget fixing my graphics, Id love you forever if you could get them to make that change.
can you imagine how broken vayne would be if she could go over ledges
shes already incredibly broken now
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Which walls can you actually jump over with 200 range? I'd rather Riot finish Dominion than implement an ability that can only jump over two walls ^_^
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