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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
October 02 2011 11:44 GMT
#3801
You can run attack speed blues on many junglers to clear as fast as possible. Whether that is better than Mr/lvl is up to anyone to decide for themselves, I guess.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 02 2011 13:40 GMT
#3802
Attackspeed blues can be useful and I have used them ,but honestly I like to fight quite abit and having the Mr/lvl or just flat mr just seems so entirely useful for not being gibbed. Perhaps if/when I get more runepages I'll feel to include it on some things. I really prefer it for Gangplank though you can do his jungle without it, it's just a tad dangerous at the early start.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 13:49:22
October 02 2011 13:49 GMT
#3803
Mmmm personally I like MR/lvl blues for jungling. It's not like you're taking a lot of magic damage at low levels; jungle creeps all deal physical damage. If the mage you're ganking can kill you, you probably shouldn't be ganking. Scaling blues catch up to flat ones at like 7-9 or so, right? Might as well take the scaling ones as you won't be in huge teamfights before then.

24 extra magic res at 18 is really nice!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 02 2011 13:59 GMT
#3804
Not getting mr/lvl seems kinda stupid you are strapped for cash has as it is on junglers because your levels are low you need more survivability and you have no real early magic damage threats so you need to go mr/lvl.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 14:02:59
October 02 2011 14:02 GMT
#3805
I was just about to say, you don't get much gold as a jungler, so getting 24 free MR from runes at lvl 18 is a nice bonus, especially since there is nothing else that you really want as your blues as a jungler. The AS you get is negligible but the MR you get is a big stat boost.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
October 02 2011 14:20 GMT
#3806
MR/lvl blues break even with flat at level 10. Arguably, the scaling MR doesn't make up for the penalty to junglers at level 6-9 (due to opportunity cost) until around level 13. Personally I use scaling MR for junglers but the benefit of scaling MR over flat is much more narrow than most people think.

The math for scaling mp5 vs flat is similar. Though scaling mp5 'breaks even' around level 6, the net benefit doesn't kick in till level 9 or so when the lost mana from level 1-5 is accounted for. If you're of the opinion that games are won or lost in the first 15 minutes it's difficult to argue in favor of scaling runes.

There is also some question in regards to rounding error when maximizing returns from runes. It's not clear where and how numbers get rounded between the stats shown per rune, the totals on each rune page, your in-game character screen, and the actual in-engine equations.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
October 02 2011 14:29 GMT
#3807
The "lost mana" from 1-5 is usually trivial, if even a factor.

Scaling vs Flat is all about how much use you'll get out of them and the break-even point. Jungler fights are almost always in the favor of the jungler (2v1, 3v2, etc) and junglers are almost always front-line champions.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 02 2011 14:48 GMT
#3808
Err, don't confuse my flat mr usage as some sort of thing to always do. If I had the choice between mr/lvl or flat I'd go mr/level without a second thought.

It's merely at the time I bought the flat mr first as I spent alot of time in lane worrying about how to kill ap's at early levels. It works fairly well in that case but for jungling the mr/lvl is going to most likely work out best for you unless the game ends at the or shortly after twenty minutes.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 02 2011 14:57 GMT
#3809
Can someone duo queue with me around 1300 elo? So many idiots in soloqueue
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
October 02 2011 15:33 GMT
#3810
On October 02 2011 23:57 57 Corvette wrote:
Can someone duo queue with me around 1300 elo? So many idiots in soloqueue

wut do u play?
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
October 02 2011 15:55 GMT
#3811
On October 02 2011 23:29 Craton wrote:
The "lost mana" from 1-5 is usually trivial, if even a factor.

It's trivial in the sense that the vast majority of your mana regen at lower levels comes from base mp5, masteries, items, leveling up, returning to base, etc. But the additional mana you're getting from runes at level 7-9 is similarly small.

Luckily most mana issues arise at level 10+ when you need enough mana to poke and still be ready for team fights. Probably the only situation where you might prioritize flat mp5 would be certain supports or lane bullies like Cass.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
October 02 2011 16:10 GMT
#3812
On October 02 2011 23:57 57 Corvette wrote:
Can someone duo queue with me around 1300 elo? So many idiots in soloqueue


mememe add BlueLaguna, im 1370 or something.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 02 2011 16:16 GMT
#3813
On October 03 2011 00:33 Tabbris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 23:57 57 Corvette wrote:
Can someone duo queue with me around 1300 elo? So many idiots in soloqueue

wut do u play?

Best at ap/tank, can jungle/support, can't ranged ad
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 17:01 GMT
#3814
On October 03 2011 01:16 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 00:33 Tabbris wrote:
On October 02 2011 23:57 57 Corvette wrote:
Can someone duo queue with me around 1300 elo? So many idiots in soloqueue

wut do u play?

Best at ap/tank, can jungle/support, can't ranged ad

I need someone to duoqueue with. can play anything cept Support and my Elo is 1329
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 17:36:13
October 02 2011 17:24 GMT
#3815
start of season, no accelerated elo - win games ez
get accelerated elo - get fucked by soloqueue, go like 2-8
accelerated elo ends - continue winning games ez (except now 200 elo lower trolol)

it never fails. FFFUUUU i hate this game sometimes.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 02 2011 17:37 GMT
#3816
Is late night like the peak time for trolls? 4/5 games I played last night had some sort of player who was trolling in some way.
Never Knows Best.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 02 2011 18:16 GMT
#3817
TL trollhouse:

[image loading]

When I kill cho top he said that AP sions are so gay. I maxed e.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 18:32:14
October 02 2011 18:17 GMT
#3818
Anyone else watching the Rampage thing from WellPlayed? It's Curse vs. Dignitas this week.

Also, Chaox is doing his own commentary over it right now.

edit: wow, WP can get spectator mode working but Riot can't do it in China T_T
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 18:18 GMT
#3819
On October 03 2011 03:16 BlackPaladin wrote:
TL trollhouse:

[image loading]

When I kill cho top he said that AP sions are so gay. I maxed e.

i hate you. i want to cry
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 02 2011 18:20 GMT
#3820
On October 03 2011 03:17 JBright wrote:
Anyone else watching the Rampage thing from WellPlayed? It's Curse vs. Dignitas this week.

Also, Chaox is doing his own commentary over it right now.


I am now. Thanks
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
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