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On September 07 2011 16:26 WaveofShadow wrote:New Champion: Magus: The Magus Ascendant http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1201570Also some pics of Riven. ....really not understanding Riot's naming convention here, though someone made a good point about needing a Frog champion now that we have Blitz and Magus....
We also have a crossbow-wielding chick, a primitive chick who spends half her time literally fighting like an animal, too.
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On September 07 2011 16:29 Niton wrote:We also have a crossbow-wielding chick, a primitive chick who spends half her time literally fighting like an animal, too.
I guess that leaves..Master Yi?
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Heimerdinger can be Lucca.
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On September 07 2011 17:04 randomKo_Orean wrote:
So I lost 8 in a row and lost gold status.
When's season 1 over? What exact day? Anyone know?
Huewhuehuehue. According to link posted by (i think) Uta it's "next week", doubt you will find more precise info anywhere
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On September 07 2011 13:44 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 13:39 TheYango wrote:On September 07 2011 13:32 gtrsrs wrote:
Here's the thing - orianna and lee take a little finesse to play. They aren't AP sion 4 months ago hurr durr 6.0 AP ratio on a point and click stun. As such they have stronger kits because they are balanced around being harder to play. The problem has arisen that people are perfecting these champs. So now that their potentials are being reached we're seeing how stupid strong they are
It has nothing to do with how strong other champs are and everything to do with their design compensations And they are fun. So why do we need to nerf them? Why can't stuff be brought back to this point? We definitely passed a point somewhere through this long chain of nerfs where they were ok. Because if GP and Nocturne are slightly under Lee Sin now in the jungle, then rolling back some of their nerfs would put them on par or ahead of him. If Zilean takes the 2nd AP ban after Orianna, then she's certainly weaker than the old 20 sec ulti Zilean. We passed a line somewhere where these fun finesse champs with absurd levels of game-changing utility was ok because it fit in the power curve. Somehow they're no longer OK. And if that's no longer the case, we need to buff everything back to that level. Because honestly if every champ were as fun and as potentially-gamebreaking as Orianna and Lee Sin, we'd have a damn good game. Actually, I take my previous post back and completely agree with you. I once asked a dota player why he thinks dota is fun. He said "because everything is stupidly OP" But, yeah, if they can make every champ as fun and "OP" as Orianna and Lee it would be the best game ever.
Agree 100%, find a non-controversial way of wording this and stick it in the @Riot thread under "design philosophy" or something. Every champion should be OP in certain situation(s). The "top-tier" champions would then be those with the highest overall strength, and therefore are useful in more situations, but the "low-tier" champions would be those picked 4th/5th when the enemy has less time to counter-pick them, as well as the champions unconventional strategies (Special Tactics) are built around.
On a side note, I think the @Riot thread should only have ideas that are discussed in GenDisc first, otherwise it's just the "throw complaints and random ideas you think are cool here" thread.
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finally combed the red tracker and found an answer to a question that some of us have had
if you show a gold/plat badge in your profile but your elo doesn't match the minimum elo listed to receive that rating (i.e. 1519 in solo queue will show gold, 1899 will show plat, despite 1520 and 1900 being the respective values for gold and plat), you will still get the higher rating.
if you show silver/gold badge but your elo is above the minimum elo listed to receive the rating (i.e. 1508 in ranked 5s shows silver, where 1500 is the gold threshold) you'll get the higher rating.
http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/12914/?p=33
If your summoner profile happens to show Platinum, you'll still get it.
There are three possible cases:
You show what you are supposed to get: You get it.
You show a badge lower than what you are supposed to get: You get the higher one
You show a badge higher than the one you are supposed to get: You get the higher one.
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On September 07 2011 14:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Im with Yango. I want everything to be OP. Honestly, Riot's biggest problem right now is that they're homogenizing EVERYTHING. Every single champion is being nerfed/buffed/remade so that they are all so damn similar and unique aspects are gone. See Annie. See Kayle. See Invisibility.
Lee Sin is definitely strong, but he's not insta-win strong. Don't nerf Lee Sin. Buff other champs. It's very much like how SC2 is/was. Blizz just kept nerfing shit and making shit boring as opposed to BW and DotA where everything was batshit OP and that was what made the game fun. The balance direction of making everything OP so nothing is broken makes a better game than everything is shit so nothing is broken.
This so much. Lee and orianna are unique and fun champions. They also have lots of cc. We dont need more champions that just have 4 damage abilities.
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Lee sin just needs a 0.5 AD scaling nerf on his Q and maybe 20 damage off the level 1 value.
Orianaas AoE slow needs a damage nerf and her passive needs to be nerfed it gives her insane hidden AP ratio when she fires out her full combo.
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Also utility nerf on LS wouldn't hurt, on top of all his damage he has: aspd buff after each cast (+free skills if you dont try to them all at once), shield, lifesteal/spellvamp/armor buff, ms slow, aspd slow (aspd slow is actually quite rare in this game), 2 blinks on separate cooldowns, knockback AND he reveals invisible enemies (veeery rare utility, also utility-wise corki only had 1 blink + blind + revealing invisibility on top of his damage and yet they removed his anti-invis mechanics)
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To be fair I think the main reason Corki's reveal on his Q was removed was because at that time Riot hadn't done an overhaul of how skills interacted with wards and they didn't want Corki to be a wardsweeper with Q. (Lee Sin E doesn't reveal wards; Corki Q did IIRC when the reveal was removed. Of course you also didn't have Talon or Vayne around when Corki's Q revealed stuff, so it was really only practically useful against Akali or perhaps Shaco in most cases as far as champions go.)
I suspect that had Corki's reveal survived a bit longer it may still be around right now, but at the same time I doubt it'll be returning since it's now gone.
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Is Lee Sin really that strong? In my experience his shield is almost negligably (is that a word?) small, and he's really not all that tanky, certainly not compared to an Udyr. Granted he has great mobility and utility and he certainly isnt a bad champ, but I just never considered him SUCH a strong pick, certainly not to be on level with Orianna (or firstban/firstpick stuff).
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On September 07 2011 20:41 Promises wrote:
Is Lee Sin really that strong? In my experience his shield is almost negligably (is that a word?) small, and he's really not all that tanky, certainly not compared to an Udyr. Granted he has great mobility and utility and he certainly isnt a bad champ, but I just never considered him SUCH a strong pick, certainly not to be on level with Orianna (or firstban/firstpick stuff).
Yes he is strong. Not enough strong that they should nerf him though
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Ah fair enough. Rereading my post I saw it came across as if I thought Lee was a weak pick which I certainly dont, but I was surprised to see people put him on the same level as Orianna, since (to me) he's certainly lower in terms of powerlevel.
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On September 07 2011 20:46 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 20:41 Promises wrote:
Is Lee Sin really that strong? In my experience his shield is almost negligably (is that a word?) small, and he's really not all that tanky, certainly not compared to an Udyr. Granted he has great mobility and utility and he certainly isnt a bad champ, but I just never considered him SUCH a strong pick, certainly not to be on level with Orianna (or firstban/firstpick stuff). Yes he is strong. Not enough strong that they should nerf him though
Lolwut? He's hella tanky and hurts so much, and you can't even counter him that easily in lane since he can lane against more champs than any other champ in the game.
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How is he hella-tanky tho? His basic hp/armor/mr increases arent huge, as said his shield remains very small and the same goes for his inherrent lifesteal.... sure you can build him to be tanky but that takes a good chunk out of his damage. Again I'm not at all saying he's not a strong pick, but I'm wondering why people say he's harder to kill then Udyr when he's really been nowhere near in my experience.
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3 of his moves have distancing properties (q, w and r), the other one has a slow. compare this to udyr who has a stun and that's it. If you catch Udyr out of turret range you can burn him down slow and he can't do much other than run and pray. To have a good chance of killing lee sin, you have to make sure neither friendly nor enemy minions are in the vicinity (so he can't q or w out of there), that you can catch him after he AOE slows you and that even then after level 6 you can catch up again after getting dragon kicked off him.
that *and* he's decently tough. I mean, yes, he's not udyr. But he's not cait either.
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You can build him tanky and still do enough damage lol, if you're dumb enough to build him full glascannon that's not my fault, he has like 150 armour with just an atmas. A shield on a low cd that shields for 200 and only costs energy is still better than no shield. Add to that that he actually reduces attack speed he really doesn't take that much damage.
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Fair enough, he has great mobility and he's not a squishy, I never meant to contest that =) I just don't see how he's incredibly tanky (being able to get away doesnt mean you call a champ tanky as far as I know, otherwise LeBlanc would be one of the tankyer champs), and I certainly don't see how people are finding his shield OP (it's a good skill but a 200 shield at max level isnt THAT big either). Again, I know he's a strong hero, I was just bewildered by the claims of his extreme tankyness.
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On September 07 2011 21:06 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 20:46 epoc wrote:On September 07 2011 20:41 Promises wrote:
Is Lee Sin really that strong? In my experience his shield is almost negligably (is that a word?) small, and he's really not all that tanky, certainly not compared to an Udyr. Granted he has great mobility and utility and he certainly isnt a bad champ, but I just never considered him SUCH a strong pick, certainly not to be on level with Orianna (or firstban/firstpick stuff). Yes he is strong. Not enough strong that they should nerf him though Lolwut? He's hella tanky and hurts so much, and you can't even counter him that easily in lane since he can lane against more champs than any other champ in the game.
I was under the impression that you always jungle him. The only times I've seen him lane is if you pick him to deny him as a potential jungler for the enemy team, like CLG got him and Noc in IEM one game I remember. If he was such a strong laner as you claim then why would everyone jungle him all the time even with Fiddle/Noc/GP available for jungling?
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