[Patch 1.0.0.124: Talon] General Discussion - Page 102

On September 02 2011 05:31 fasdaf wrote:
Garen is significantly stronger than Irelia at lvl 1, which allows him to punish Irelia before she can get EW to trade effectively.

On September 02 2011 05:33 Ryuu314 wrote:

Zzzzz....not if Irelia opens with tons of armor runes and defensive masteries, in which case Garen's lvl 1 burst won't necessarily win lane outright.

Laning against Garen is like laning against Panth. You gotta anticipate it and counter it with armor runes, defensive masteries, and maybe cloth+5pot opening. The thing about Garen and Panth is that they really rely on dominating their lane in order to snowball into the mid and late game. If they come out even or behind in laning, they will underperform relative to other top solos.

On September 02 2011 05:31 fasdaf wrote:
Garen is significantly stronger than Irelia at lvl 1, which allows him to punish Irelia before she can get EW to trade effectively.

On September 02 2011 05:19 Slayer91 wrote:


Irelia just presses E stuns you and then waits for it to end before Q and raping you because it has like 20 second cooldown.

Basically if Irelia stacks armour with huge armour rune set up garen has a lot of trouble. Didn't start doing it until I faced an irelia as lee sin where he went dorans ninja tabi trinity force and had like 130 armour but her true damage was like u mad?

Then I started raping everyone doing the same thing. True damage is bullshit OP and riot nerfs everything except her W and passive which is what really makes her strong.

LIke Q you should always avoid using in lane except to last hit because it costs so damn much mana. You can also use W if your AD isn't enough to last hit ranged creeps in 1 hit under tower and its cheaper than multiple Qs.

Just use E and W conserveratively in lane and you won't need mana regen, and if you do you can spam them.
Had an irelia vs me as nasus who said "armour quints?" in chat when he saw my lvl 1 armour then just spammed E to fuck up my last hitting because he couldn't really harass me lol. He still didn't run out of mana what a bastard. (I used to always hit irelias early when my lifesteal will regen me faster but that makes me think twice about it)

I feel like irelia is the most ROBUST laner not necessarily the best. You are extremely hard to remove from lane, snowball hard if given an advantage, have great defensive tools in general and just never feel pressure to win the lane. You are the control and its up to the other guy to try to stop you farming but you can punish really hard as well.
I really like irelias design the whole lifesteal tank think still kinda works with chaoxs old trinity fon GA shit and its extremely powerful once you realize its about avoiding damage at the right times by simpliyng running around since its so hard to crowd control and you have insane burst once they can't afford to focus you over carries. The 2 second stun is insanely long if they only get you to 40% or so before you get away and jump back in when its safe/you regen some.

On September 02 2011 05:41 Brees wrote:



depends on how good you are at garen. Most are just FOTM riders that only know how to lane, but if you know how to teamfight with garen he's no less effective then any other bruiser... being able to make your ap carry or ad carry instantly vanish is never a bad thing to have on a team, especially when he doesn't have assassin type stats

On September 02 2011 05:41 Brees wrote:



depends on how good you are at garen. Most are just FOTM riders that only know how to lane, but if you know how to teamfight with garen he's no less effective then any other bruiser... being able to make your ap carry or ad carry instantly vanish is never a bad thing to have on a team, especially when he doesn't have assassin type stats

On September 02 2011 05:48 Slayer91 wrote:
Except irelia shits on lee sin and chogath after like level 7 or so. Brand is a skill shot war so I won't comment on that. Not enough experience with singed. Trundle is really weak in teamfights so it doesn't matter if his lane is a bit better.
Still one of the best bruisers, not played for her laning strength rather her ability to farm decently well in any lane with correct preparation and then is one of the best teamfighting bruisers in the game.

On September 02 2011 05:33 Ryuu314 wrote:

Zzzzz....not if Irelia opens with tons of armor runes and defensive masteries, in which case Garen's lvl 1 burst won't necessarily win lane outright.

On September 02 2011 05:55 Eppa! wrote:

The thing about Trundle is he makes Irelia really easy to kill lategame with denied farm and ulti. The thing about Lee Sin and Chogath is not that they beat Irelia in a lane its that they do not get denied in any 1v1 top. Cho can still farm, so can Lee Sin with Wriggles. You can not counter pick either of them.

On September 02 2011 05:23 MoonBear wrote:

Oh, my bad hahahahaha.


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On September 02 2011 06:04 Slayer91 wrote:


Irelia is basically the same. You can deny chogath and lee sin by the secret technique of go fucking kill them when they try to get to creeps once you are ahead. You can deny irelia in the same way its just about being stronger.

Also, you can go warmogs builds or QSS builds against trundle. I don't think trundle can seriously deny irelia although he probably can win a 1v1 she can still farm and tower and with ulti just like chogath with his QW, irelias QW is great for farming/regening.

Garen Q at level one is 1.5X AD + 30 I believe so it will do like 70-80 damage to irelia you ridiculously exaggerate shikyo. If you have nearly 70 armour and 5 pots at level one he can't do that much to you.

On September 02 2011 06:14 broz0rs wrote:
Irelia meta is so weird. One patch she was known as THE bursty tanky-dps champion, a patch later she's now THE "forever in lane" sustain champ.

lol it's all because Q and E got nerfed, players had to resort using W. smh