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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 01 2011 21:26 GMT
#2041
Irelia is probably the longest reigning solo top champion in the game. She's had some rough patches (pun intended) but she's never been "bad". She's fallen out of flavor a few times but that's just because players are fickle.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 01 2011 21:27 GMT
#2042
75 True Damage/hit and crazy self-healing. The end.
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
September 01 2011 21:35 GMT
#2043
On September 02 2011 06:27 Mogwai wrote:
75 True Damage/hit and crazy self-healing. The end.

also cant cc her zzzzzzzz
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
September 01 2011 21:36 GMT
#2044
Well for me it's mostly her mobility (gap closer), the on-call CC (i don't care whether it's a snare or stun, I hate CC that "takes a while to fire"), and her kit is OP because even with no items her full burst (incl full ult) does more damage than Annie's burst.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 01 2011 21:42 GMT
#2045
Hotshot 11k viewers O.O
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Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 01 2011 21:47 GMT
#2046
On September 02 2011 06:42 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot 11k viewers O.O


He was up to 15k before.. Apparently he just bought his first ever cell-phone ._. and an outdated one too.

Also stood up for thousands of people to see his pants down :D
derp
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 01 2011 21:50 GMT
#2047
On September 02 2011 06:42 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot 11k viewers O.O

Ya, especially since Eski is streaming. A 9+ months ago it would be impossible for HS to beat Eski in viewer count so hard. But i think it's just community changing, now everyone [thinks that he] knows everything so nobody wants to learn anything, choosing the drama queen instead. Talking of which does HS still QQ/rage/whine most of time on his stream or did he change?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 01 2011 21:55 GMT
#2048
Did someone just say that no champion can deny creeps from Cho in 1v1 top? O.o I've tried many setups many times, but I just never beat Irelia, Jax, Akali nor Lee Sin. Did a miss a way to lane with Cho and not get destroyed by the 4 champs above?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
September 01 2011 21:55 GMT
#2049
On September 02 2011 05:19 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 05:16 Ecael wrote:
On September 02 2011 04:56 Mogwai wrote:
awww yea, #23

#4, when the fuck did Columbia climb that high O_O

On September 02 2011 05:15 spinesheath wrote:
On September 02 2011 05:08 LaNague wrote:
On September 02 2011 04:55 MoonBear wrote:
On September 02 2011 04:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
What's a top 25 university so I know which one to transfer to?

The following universities, or equivalent foreign university:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges




lol im sorry for OT, but i dont get the point of that requirement, they all teach the same stuff in my country and i could just transfer to one for my last semester if i cared.

Now, now, we got ELITE universities!
Although... I happen to study at one of those, and... I don't see how anything is particularly great there... At least not for the average student.

Pretty much the same here~

columbia's always been top 10 :O

im at 22 cause i too poor to go elsewhere


Our tuition is going up /and/ we got moved down from 21 where we were a few years ago. GG
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
September 01 2011 21:58 GMT
#2050
whats with the hotshot hate, he has a good voice, is generally a nice person, doesnt listen to weird music while streaming and is a good player, so why not watch him.

He doesnt analyze much or explain stuff, but then again, documentaries arent the most watched things on Tv either, so...
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 01 2011 21:59 GMT
#2051
On September 02 2011 05:44 Eppa! wrote:
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On September 02 2011 05:19 Slayer91 wrote:
On September 02 2011 05:00 Juicyfruit wrote:
What's the spin AoE on garen's E like? I always wondered if I can micro that thing to do damage to someone like irelia or udyr without eating their melee attacks nor letting them run away.


Irelia just presses E stuns you and then waits for it to end before Q and raping you because it has like 20 second cooldown.

Basically if Irelia stacks armour with huge armour rune set up garen has a lot of trouble. Didn't start doing it until I faced an irelia as lee sin where he went dorans ninja tabi trinity force and had like 130 armour but her true damage was like u mad?

Then I started raping everyone doing the same thing. True damage is bullshit OP and riot nerfs everything except her W and passive which is what really makes her strong.

LIke Q you should always avoid using in lane except to last hit because it costs so damn much mana. You can also use W if your AD isn't enough to last hit ranged creeps in 1 hit under tower and its cheaper than multiple Qs.

Just use E and W conserveratively in lane and you won't need mana regen, and if you do you can spam them.
Had an irelia vs me as nasus who said "armour quints?" in chat when he saw my lvl 1 armour then just spammed E to fuck up my last hitting because he couldn't really harass me lol. He still didn't run out of mana what a bastard. (I used to always hit irelias early when my lifesteal will regen me faster but that makes me think twice about it)

I feel like irelia is the most ROBUST laner not necessarily the best. You are extremely hard to remove from lane, snowball hard if given an advantage, have great defensive tools in general and just never feel pressure to win the lane. You are the control and its up to the other guy to try to stop you farming but you can punish really hard as well.
I really like irelias design the whole lifesteal tank think still kinda works with chaoxs old trinity fon GA shit and its extremely powerful once you realize its about avoiding damage at the right times by simpliyng running around since its so hard to crowd control and you have insane burst once they can't afford to focus you over carries. The 2 second stun is insanely long if they only get you to 40% or so before you get away and jump back in when its safe/you regen some.

I used to play Irelia a lot, I quit once I got bored of her. She really is amazing when you play against people that don't know how to play against her. She is super snowbally and you basically play like hotshots all game. She is imo mediocre tier, like, Gragas, Akali. I just think Lee Sin, Cho, Brand are more versatile solo top.

Trundle and Singed are her worst comps.

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On September 02 2011 05:41 Brees wrote:
On September 02 2011 05:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 02 2011 05:31 fasdaf wrote:
Garen is significantly stronger than Irelia at lvl 1, which allows him to punish Irelia before she can get EW to trade effectively.

Zzzzz....not if Irelia opens with tons of armor runes and defensive masteries, in which case Garen's lvl 1 burst won't necessarily win lane outright.

Laning against Garen is like laning against Panth. You gotta anticipate it and counter it with armor runes, defensive masteries, and maybe cloth+5pot opening. The thing about Garen and Panth is that they really rely on dominating their lane in order to snowball into the mid and late game. If they come out even or behind in laning, they will underperform relative to other top solos.



depends on how good you are at garen. Most are just FOTM riders that only know how to lane, but if you know how to teamfight with garen he's no less effective then any other bruiser... being able to make your ap carry or ad carry instantly vanish is never a bad thing to have on a team, especially when he doesn't have assassin type stats

I don't think Garen is that good, unlike most top tier bruisers you can make as he has farely weak CC and is basically only good for his tankiness lategame. Soraka makes you useless as an anti carry. Garen has no mobility mid game. Hes the ultimate scrubstomper.


CC makes anyone useless. If they are blowing their load on you when you first creep in that means you have your W on and you basically take no damage while its up since its stupidly OP. dip out of the fight, regen a little, come back and flash in on unsuspecting victims. The only counter to garen is a quick aoe explosion team like amumu/karthus/etc etc. I wouldnt advise picking him against a team like that
Brees on in
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 22:03:00
September 01 2011 22:01 GMT
#2052
On September 02 2011 06:50 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 06:42 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot 11k viewers O.O

Ya, especially since Eski is streaming. A 9+ months ago it would be impossible for HS to beat Eski in viewer count so hard. But i think it's just community changing, now everyone [thinks that he] knows everything so nobody wants to learn anything, choosing the drama queen instead. Talking of which does HS still QQ/rage/whine most of time on his stream or did he change?


What? No way.
I don't recall any time where Eski had more streamers than HSGG. If anything, it's always been HS and Regi taking all the Own3d viewers.

He was popular before, for whatever the reasons (godly Nidaree, RageShotGG in solo q, kimchiman vs Koreans, etc, take your pick) but after producing really solid results in the past few tournaments, his popularity has only grown.

He's been fairly chill as of late. That's mostly because he hasn't really grind solo q since it's near the end of the season.
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ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
September 01 2011 22:04 GMT
#2053
On September 02 2011 06:50 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 06:42 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot 11k viewers O.O

Ya, especially since Eski is streaming. A 9+ months ago it would be impossible for HS to beat Eski in viewer count so hard. But i think it's just community changing, now everyone [thinks that he] knows everything so nobody wants to learn anything, choosing the drama queen instead. Talking of which does HS still QQ/rage/whine most of time on his stream or did he change?

I don't think Eski has ever been more popular than HS as a streamer. HS was one of the original LoL streamers so he's always had one of the largest followings (similar to Wickd).
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 01 2011 22:05 GMT
#2054
On September 02 2011 06:58 LaNague wrote:
whats with the hotshot hate, he has a good voice, is generally a nice person, doesnt listen to weird music while streaming and is a good player, so why not watch him.

He doesnt analyze much or explain stuff, but then again, documentaries arent the most watched things on Tv either, so...

Because if you watched his stream 9+ months ago you'd just hear raging and raging

On September 02 2011 07:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 06:50 Kaniol wrote:
On September 02 2011 06:42 HazMat wrote:
Hotshot 11k viewers O.O

Ya, especially since Eski is streaming. A 9+ months ago it would be impossible for HS to beat Eski in viewer count so hard. But i think it's just community changing, now everyone [thinks that he] knows everything so nobody wants to learn anything, choosing the drama queen instead. Talking of which does HS still QQ/rage/whine most of time on his stream or did he change?


What? No way.
I don't recall any time where Eski had more streamers than HSGG. If anything, it's always been HS and Regi taking all the Own3d viewers.

He was popular before, for whatever the reasons (godly Nidaree, RageShotGG in solo q, kimchiman vs Koreans, etc, take your pick) but after producing really solid results in the past few tournaments, his popularity has only grown.

He's been fairly chill as of late. That's mostly because he hasn't really grind solo q since it's near the end of the season.

Never said Eski had more viewers, but it wasn't 1:20 ratio
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 01 2011 22:08 GMT
#2055
Ok, sry for jumping the gun, lolz. T_T

I'll give Eski fistbumps for being a pretty good streamer, on the commentary side of things but he hasn't streamed in a while. So that might contribute to his low viewership.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 01 2011 22:21 GMT
#2056
On September 02 2011 06:36 Southlight wrote:
Well for me it's mostly her mobility (gap closer), the on-call CC (i don't care whether it's a snare or stun, I hate CC that "takes a while to fire"), and her kit is OP because even with no items her full burst (incl full ult) does more damage than Annie's burst.


Yeah, the delay on her E is rough sometimes. Even with the range Garen's silence or Singed's Fling (for example) hit you right before you stun them. Doesn't stop Kata's ult fast enough if you need to save your carry too, stuff like that.

Btw, can someone answer me on how to lane against Cass as Irelia? I really can't wrap myself around careful last hitting under tower, it'd just be so easy for her to punish it with some AoE poison and I don't see myself winning trades against her either.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
September 01 2011 22:25 GMT
#2057
Hey for those who watch the top ELO streams, what are the current bans/first picks and why? I'd assume talon is up there now.
Sweet.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 01 2011 22:31 GMT
#2058
On September 02 2011 07:25 rackdude wrote:
Hey for those who watch the top ELO streams, what are the current bans/first picks and why? I'd assume talon is up there now.


There's a wide array of first bans/picks tbh...

Talon is not ban material. I haven't seen Talon as a must pick consistently either. He's in the middle of the pack.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 01 2011 22:50 GMT
#2059
On September 02 2011 07:08 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, sry for jumping the gun, lolz. T_T

I'll give Eski fistbumps for being a pretty good streamer, on the commentary side of things but he hasn't streamed in a while. So that might contribute to his low viewership.

When you work at Riot, there are certain restrictions on Streaming. These rules were only really introduced after something happened that caused a small fuss on the General Forums. But now Riot plays it safe. If you want to stream, you have to get approval and make sure you don't inadvertently show internal sekret stuff.

It's also why Rioters who used to stream a reasonable amount (Pendragon, Chewbacca, TacoStorm aka Firebird, etc.) don't stream so much either. But then their streams are a little more off the beaten track and not featured on CLG/Solomid.

I do enjoy Eski streams though. When I first started, his commentary helped me get a grip on the game. Even if some of it was slightly wrong (like Poppy Q being physical). But those are minor things.

Flakes, can you gives Eski a hello from TL for us? He's so adorable.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
September 01 2011 22:59 GMT
#2060
Hahaha not sure if Moonbear knows that Psyonic_Reaver is a regular TL poster here or not. *shifty eyes*
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