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On August 06 2011 00:33 Vlanitak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 23:45 mercurial wrote:
What are you guys doing on the US server? Everybody knows the EU server is superior, its been proven.
Just when me and Eunbyul wanted to make a TL EU team, pfff.
p.s
Not sure if Eunbyul knows it himself yet though. I'd be up for that if you need more players  but, I might be wrong and things might have changed, isn't there allready sorta of TL EU in salmon Ngiri (Risu Nyan etc Jarpen(?) you know). Or did they get to split up during the server split?
Risu, tommo and 3 of their brittish friends made a team to compete in that i34? tournament. They're playing together alot, there has never been an actual legit TL EU team though? :3
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On August 06 2011 01:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's such a terrible attitude
In solo queue the game isn't over until the nexus dies. Pubs can and will make mistakes until the last second. Fed akali = squishy worth lots of gold. Dont be a bitch, just play. Learn to punish mistakes and win in low-win%-games
Agree. No matter how many mistakes your team makes, the enemy team can make just as many.
"fuck u guys surrender now their team comp 2 good we lose late game"
"relax"
"this shit's over we're down towers bot lane lost we lose surrender plz"
(continues for like 10 minutes while we're definitely behind)
*enemy annie decides to wander into our jungle alone. free kill*
*enemy morde does the same*
*we get baron*
*ace*
*win game*
At my elo anything can happen. STAY THE COURSE
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On August 06 2011 01:34 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's such a terrible attitude
In solo queue the game isn't over until the nexus dies. Pubs can and will make mistakes until the last second. Fed akali = squishy worth lots of gold. Dont be a bitch, just play. Learn to punish mistakes and win in low-win%-games Agree. No matter how many mistakes your team makes, the enemy team can make just as many. "fuck u guys surrender now their team comp 2 good we lose late game" "relax" "this shit's over we're down towers bot lane lost we lose surrender plz" (continues for like 10 minutes while we're definitely behind) *enemy annie decides to wander into our jungle alone. free kill* *enemy morde does the same* *we get baron* *ace* *win game* At my elo anything can happen. STAY THE COURSE
thats how i feel everygame i play Master Yi, or someone who becomes stupid late game... but honestly if im support and we're down a lot it feels so hopeless to just watch your team feed and hope they become competent
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On August 06 2011 01:39 Asdkmoga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:34 Haemonculus wrote:On August 06 2011 01:13 gtrsrs wrote:
that's such a terrible attitude
In solo queue the game isn't over until the nexus dies. Pubs can and will make mistakes until the last second. Fed akali = squishy worth lots of gold. Dont be a bitch, just play. Learn to punish mistakes and win in low-win%-games Agree. No matter how many mistakes your team makes, the enemy team can make just as many. "fuck u guys surrender now their team comp 2 good we lose late game" "relax" "this shit's over we're down towers bot lane lost we lose surrender plz" (continues for like 10 minutes while we're definitely behind) *enemy annie decides to wander into our jungle alone. free kill* *enemy morde does the same* *we get baron* *ace* *win game* At my elo anything can happen. STAY THE COURSE thats how i feel everygame i play Master Yi, or someone who becomes stupid late game... but honestly if im support and we're down a lot it feels so hopeless to just watch your team feed and hope they become competent
It's less hoping your soloq team will be competent, and more hoping that the enemy team will make a dumber mistake. You can lose the game anyway obviously, but sometimes I'm crazy surprised by a game I was SURE we had lost and all of a sudden the enemy team like towerdives an inhib turret 3v5 or something and all of a sudden we're crushing their nexus towers. Just chill a bit and wait for them to do something stupid.
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Dan Dinh's heimer is amazing.
Forget you didn't change out mana runes for armor runes, then wonder why people do so much dmg to you.
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On August 06 2011 00:15 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 23:36 Slayer91 wrote:On August 05 2011 23:07 spinesheath wrote:
I was just rather busy talking to my team. I think we played together once before, but I don't really remember anything about that time.
I picked Teemo because you had Jarvan Udyr and Xin iirc and Teemo counters all of those nicely. Your lineup basically was pretty bad.
You should have lost by way more cs than that btw, it's just that I am horrible at lasthitting. And then for some reason I died 1v1 against Xin at some point (he died too, but it wasn't worth it), when all he had was a Wriggles and I had Wriggles + Wit's End + Exhaust... I still have no idea how he was able to kill me there... I was pretty confident I could just stand there and kill him. Teemo is a hybrid between ranged carry and tanky DPS. You still beat every ranged carry in 1v1, but lose to an equally farmed tanky dps easily. They all have enough CC to match their blind and a 2second blind is much more significant in 1: vs squishies why die in a few seconds but kill you quickly also 2: in lane when you have poison and can retreat to tower 3: in teamfights to give your team time to react. Xin has free attack speed knockup, hp/mr boost, lifesteal passive, and some burst damage from his spells so I wouldn't be suprised if he can beat a much more fed teemo in 1v1. I would say teemo is a good pick vs tanky dps in lane but in teamfights I'd say he's actually better vs squishies who rely on burst a lot and have trouble vs a tanky ranged dps. I saw people suggesting warmogs atmas rush into wits end on vayne because its good vs squishy comps with 1 tank so I don't know why teemo isn't more popular. Teemo definitely is good against tanky DPS in teamfights as well because his kiting is so retardedly good and he doesn't die from burst so easily because you typically build him somewhat tanky.
How is 3 seconds of movement speed better than all the forms of escapes most ranged carries have? All the viable bruisers have a hard gap closer and a slow anyway.
Also, if he's good against Ranged AD, good against tanky dps, and decent against AP, is teemo the ultimate champion ?!
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yes, teemo is godly ^_^
he's the pinnacle of ranged tanky DPS, which is the single most brokenest class ever.
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On August 06 2011 02:49 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 00:15 spinesheath wrote:On August 05 2011 23:36 Slayer91 wrote:On August 05 2011 23:07 spinesheath wrote:
I was just rather busy talking to my team. I think we played together once before, but I don't really remember anything about that time.
I picked Teemo because you had Jarvan Udyr and Xin iirc and Teemo counters all of those nicely. Your lineup basically was pretty bad.
You should have lost by way more cs than that btw, it's just that I am horrible at lasthitting. And then for some reason I died 1v1 against Xin at some point (he died too, but it wasn't worth it), when all he had was a Wriggles and I had Wriggles + Wit's End + Exhaust... I still have no idea how he was able to kill me there... I was pretty confident I could just stand there and kill him. Teemo is a hybrid between ranged carry and tanky DPS. You still beat every ranged carry in 1v1, but lose to an equally farmed tanky dps easily. They all have enough CC to match their blind and a 2second blind is much more significant in 1: vs squishies why die in a few seconds but kill you quickly also 2: in lane when you have poison and can retreat to tower 3: in teamfights to give your team time to react. Xin has free attack speed knockup, hp/mr boost, lifesteal passive, and some burst damage from his spells so I wouldn't be suprised if he can beat a much more fed teemo in 1v1. I would say teemo is a good pick vs tanky dps in lane but in teamfights I'd say he's actually better vs squishies who rely on burst a lot and have trouble vs a tanky ranged dps. I saw people suggesting warmogs atmas rush into wits end on vayne because its good vs squishy comps with 1 tank so I don't know why teemo isn't more popular. Teemo definitely is good against tanky DPS in teamfights as well because his kiting is so retardedly good and he doesn't die from burst so easily because you typically build him somewhat tanky. How is 3 seconds of movement speed better than all the forms of escapes most ranged carries have? All the viable bruisers have a hard gap closer and a slow anyway. Also, if he's good against Ranged AD, good against tanky dps, and decent against AP, is teemo the ultimate champion ?!
Instead of normally just auto attacking and then flashing/blinking back when a tanky dps comes on top of you, you pretty much just walk back(don't even need w) and let shrooms slow/team mates peel, you don't have the blink, but your much tankier then normal ranged dps. Between about 2 shrooms/flash/blind/exhaust/W you are really hard to get too in a team fight.
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What's the deal with these Jannas going mid in these higher ELO streams? I just don't see her as a good AP carry at all. =/
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On August 06 2011 03:02 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 02:49 Slayer91 wrote:On August 06 2011 00:15 spinesheath wrote:On August 05 2011 23:36 Slayer91 wrote:On August 05 2011 23:07 spinesheath wrote:
I was just rather busy talking to my team. I think we played together once before, but I don't really remember anything about that time.
I picked Teemo because you had Jarvan Udyr and Xin iirc and Teemo counters all of those nicely. Your lineup basically was pretty bad.
You should have lost by way more cs than that btw, it's just that I am horrible at lasthitting. And then for some reason I died 1v1 against Xin at some point (he died too, but it wasn't worth it), when all he had was a Wriggles and I had Wriggles + Wit's End + Exhaust... I still have no idea how he was able to kill me there... I was pretty confident I could just stand there and kill him. Teemo is a hybrid between ranged carry and tanky DPS. You still beat every ranged carry in 1v1, but lose to an equally farmed tanky dps easily. They all have enough CC to match their blind and a 2second blind is much more significant in 1: vs squishies why die in a few seconds but kill you quickly also 2: in lane when you have poison and can retreat to tower 3: in teamfights to give your team time to react. Xin has free attack speed knockup, hp/mr boost, lifesteal passive, and some burst damage from his spells so I wouldn't be suprised if he can beat a much more fed teemo in 1v1. I would say teemo is a good pick vs tanky dps in lane but in teamfights I'd say he's actually better vs squishies who rely on burst a lot and have trouble vs a tanky ranged dps. I saw people suggesting warmogs atmas rush into wits end on vayne because its good vs squishy comps with 1 tank so I don't know why teemo isn't more popular. Teemo definitely is good against tanky DPS in teamfights as well because his kiting is so retardedly good and he doesn't die from burst so easily because you typically build him somewhat tanky. How is 3 seconds of movement speed better than all the forms of escapes most ranged carries have? All the viable bruisers have a hard gap closer and a slow anyway. Also, if he's good against Ranged AD, good against tanky dps, and decent against AP, is teemo the ultimate champion ?! Instead of normally just auto attacking and then flashing/blinking back when a tanky dps comes on top of you, you pretty much just walk back(don't even need w) and let shrooms slow/team mates peel, you don't have the blink, but your much tankier then normal ranged dps. Between about 2 shrooms/flash/blind/exhaust/W you are really hard to get too in a team fight.
This.
And Teemo has one of the highest permanent movespeeds thanks to his W passive effect. Perfect positioning, awesome kiting.
On August 06 2011 03:09 hasuprotoss wrote:
What's the deal with these Jannas going mid in these higher ELO streams? I just don't see her as a good AP carry at all. =/
We already discussed that a few pages ago. The new meta is going to be Janna mid Karthus Heimer bottom, Taric top and Ezreal jungle.
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On August 06 2011 03:09 hasuprotoss wrote:
What's the deal with these Jannas going mid in these higher ELO streams? I just don't see her as a good AP carry at all. =/
There was a discussion bout this a few pages back. On general, supports are actually pretty darn good with farm people just prefer not to give it to them.
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the problem with supports taking farm (and to a lesser extend, AP scaling in general) is this:
janna is fantastic with farm, annie is fantastic with farm
janna is fantastic without farm, annie is worthless without farm
so while running supports as carries works IF you also run supports as supports, there aren't enough farm independent champs (or conversely, there isn't enough farm between the lanes) to give supports solos over scaling champs, when you can just put the support bot
this is essentially why i say the best ranked 5s comp is 4 support + 1 pusher, because supports are so strong with farm AND without farm, so you're insanely strong early. but if you don't win early then the other team catches up in farm and suddenly you're wishing you had champs that scale properly in the correct lanes
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On August 06 2011 03:19 gtrsrs wrote:
the problem with supports taking farm (and to a lesser extend, AP scaling in general) is this:
janna is fantastic with farm, annie is fantastic with farm
janna is fantastic without farm, annie is worthless without farm
so while running supports as carries works IF you also run supports as supports, there aren't enough farm independent champs (or conversely, there isn't enough farm between the lanes) to give supports solos over scaling champs, when you can just put the support bot
this is essentially why i say the best ranked 5s comp is 4 support + 1 pusher, because supports are so strong with farm AND without farm, so you're insanely strong early. but if you don't win early then the other team catches up in farm and suddenly you're wishing you had champs that scale properly in the correct lanes
Well of course you need a no farm support to go bot or whatever lane with another guy. But having say Janna mid is the same as having Zilean, Lux, Karma, Morg, and so on mid. You just need to make sure your team has enough damage as a whole to benefit from the extra support, and then you can afford having agressive supports like taric and alistar more easily.
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Would there be interest in getting more ranked 5s together?
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On August 06 2011 00:02 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 23:47 HazMat wrote:
Working on getting my smurf up to gold. I gave the account to someone after queue dodging it down so my ranked stats are hilarious. Got it back up to 1400 already though! duo with my main up to gold i'm sitting at 1590-1650 most of the time right now struggling to break that 1650 barrier
no ty.
On August 06 2011 00:04 red_b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 23:47 HazMat wrote:
Working on getting my smurf up to gold. I gave the account to someone after queue dodging it down so my ranked stats are hilarious. Got it back up to 1400 already though! Im at 1500 right now if you want to duo before you get to gtrsrs at 1600. will play soraka for elo.
no ty.
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Why not put annie bot with minimal farm and make her a mass stun bot. Put her with nidalee who takes the farm and heals for lane sustainability while your "supports" go get farmed in solo lanes and are impossible to beat with the scaling on their heals.
idk. annie will do moderate damage and act like a long range mini amumu np.
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On August 06 2011 04:03 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
Why not put annie bot with minimal farm and make her a mass stun bot. Put her with nidalee who takes the farm and heals for lane sustainability while your "supports" go get farmed in solo lanes and are impossible to beat with the scaling on their heals.
idk. annie will do moderate damage and act like a long range mini amumu np.
What's the point?
Of having a useless Annie and a Janna that is only moderately stronger than she would be with 0 farm?
Of having Annie bottom and not something like Orianna mid?
If the only thing you want is a Janna, but not bottom because she's weak there in the current meta:
Why not run her as Jungle/Roamer. She doesn't need to clear camps quickly, she doesn't even need any buffs to gank. It's fine if she doesn't keep up in farm very well, and she will grab enough XP from small camps and lots of ganking.
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On August 06 2011 04:06 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:03 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
Why not put annie bot with minimal farm and make her a mass stun bot. Put her with nidalee who takes the farm and heals for lane sustainability while your "supports" go get farmed in solo lanes and are impossible to beat with the scaling on their heals.
idk. annie will do moderate damage and act like a long range mini amumu np. What's the point? Of having a useless Annie and a Janna that is only moderately stronger than she would be with 0 farm? Of having Annie bottom and not something like Orianna mid? If the only thing you want is a Janna, but not bottom because she's weak there in the current meta: Why not run her as Jungle/Roamer. She doesn't need to clear camps quickly, she doesn't even need any buffs to gank. It's fine if she doesn't keep up in farm very well, and she will grab enough XP from small camps and lots of ganking.
The reason that you don't roam Janna is because roaming isn't "good". It's pretty much as close as you get to a 4pool in LoL. It only works if others don't expect it, and nowadays most people do.
Support scale nicely from levels, even if you don't typically let them farm. Just the HP gained is HUGE
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On August 05 2011 21:17 locodoco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 21:02 HazMat wrote:On August 05 2011 20:31 locodoco wrote:On August 05 2011 17:15 HazMat wrote:
I agree with no Philo. Philo on a champ that has a self-heal and self-infuse is just dumb. Locodoco #1 support player imo. obviously ur a better soraka than pgb the build i listed is his exact build Well, obv PGB is a great Soraka but it's definitely not because of his build. He just knows what to do at Soraka better than anyone else. There really is almost no reason to get Philo on Soraka unless you're going for Shurelias. (which is a great item so I guess that works) I just feel like people hugely over-value gp/10 items. pgb tried doran stack,kage->dcap,tanky build(sv + aegies),gp/5 stack he said gp/5 is the most stable build and always leads to a great late game and other items often only delay his deathcap notice i said get 1~3 gp/5 in kage->philo->hog order he ends up going kage and philo only most of the time but i've seen him get hog before when the mid games just drags on or we lost bot lane due to ganks or something i honestly dont get why people comment on other people's build and say stuff like "well he plays amazing but his build blows","blah blah(some1 known for certain champion) doesnt know what he's talking about here's a better build" the build they go works best with their play style,u might not think its streamlined,u might not think it's the best build,u might think could be a better player if they used a different build. but more often than not,that person played that champion more than and that person probably understand the champion better than you too,and most certainly im pretty sure that person experimented with the build first before sticking to it ur entitled to ur opinion but dissing on builds that u see other high elo players use on a champion they specialize is just plain rude
which is why its not really trolling when i buy gunblade!
On August 06 2011 03:02 Mogwai wrote:
yes, teemo is godly ^_^
he's the pinnacle of ranged tanky DPS, which is the single most brokenest class ever.
teemo helping you be happy again i hope?
your stream last night was a little scurry towards the end
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