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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 01:03:25
August 04 2011 01:01 GMT
#1001
In all honesty, if you're playing a support champ, most games don't even last long enough for you to buy even one big item assuming you're constantly warding, which you should be.

In my experience (1500s elo) whenever I play support, I usually end up with something along the lines of 3 drings/gold10 items and upgraded boots. If i'm getting a crapton of assist gold (usually with Taric or Janna) I may be able to afford an Aegis or some low-cost aura item. The only time I've ever actually acquired any reasonable amount of gold was as a Taric when I went like 2-3-16 and ended up with 3 drings, mercs, deathcap. And this was a game that was extremely one-sided that my team just dominated.

Really, if you put Nidalee bot, she will be worthless. She absolutely needs farm to be any effective. The base values on her heal is pretty low. It only seems to be insane in many cases because of it's extremely high AP ratio. Without farm, her heal is very mediocre.

The whole support = no farm deal is also why some champs, namely Karma and now Zilean, aren't played much at all or seem to underperform when you put them in a support role. The reason is because those champs innately really aren't supports. They're nukers that just happen to have a skillset with lots of utility. The issue becomes when you put them in a support role, their ability to do shit is severely diminished due to the fact that they need farm to perform well.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 04 2011 01:56 GMT
#1002
at 1500s you're better off just building a big item rather than wards tbh
your teammates won't even use the knowledge from your wards efficiently, you'll be wasting gold
only time i actively buy wards in solo queue is if i'm jungling, and only like pre-level 9
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 04 2011 01:57 GMT
#1003
On August 04 2011 10:56 gtrsrs wrote:
at 1500s you're better off just building a big item rather than wards tbh
your teammates won't even use the knowledge from your wards efficiently, you'll be wasting gold
only time i actively buy wards in solo queue is if i'm jungling, and only like pre-level 9


I'm thinking that might be the reason why I'm doing pretty well with my current Nid playstyle; at this elo I suppose it doesn't matter since nobody can take advantage of my badness xD
derp
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 04 2011 02:26 GMT
#1004
In solo queue I ward Dragon, Baron, and enemy buffs (occasionally) if I'm jungle, appropriate brush if I'm laning, and wherever I need when I inevitably give up and go solo push.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
August 04 2011 02:27 GMT
#1005
On August 04 2011 10:00 Jaso wrote:
Hm... seems most people agree ._.

Must just be the people I'm playing against; whenever I have to play support I prefer Nidalee over Taric just because she's more fun to play, and have done pretty well.


Most of TL likes to theorycraft at ideal/high elo situations. In all honesty, support Nidalee (and most everything else imaginable) will work until, at the very least, 1500. I wouldn't be surprised if it remained viable even higher though. Point is, do what you enjoy and /ignoreall is your friend.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
August 04 2011 02:32 GMT
#1006
On August 04 2011 10:56 gtrsrs wrote:
at 1500s you're better off just building a big item rather than wards tbh
your teammates won't even use the knowledge from your wards efficiently, you'll be wasting gold
only time i actively buy wards in solo queue is if i'm jungling, and only like pre-level 9


I don't think it's wise to generalize 1500s because it's such a dice roll. There are legit teams that actually take advantage of wards. Sometimes. You never really know.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 04 2011 02:36 GMT
#1007
ive played vs a nid/teemo bot lane and it was pretty tough
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 04 2011 02:42 GMT
#1008
On August 04 2011 10:56 gtrsrs wrote:
at 1500s you're better off just building a big item rather than wards tbh
your teammates won't even use the knowledge from your wards efficiently, you'll be wasting gold
only time i actively buy wards in solo queue is if i'm jungling, and only like pre-level 9

while my team may not use ward knowledge well, I (hopefully) will. Sometimes you can save ur teammates by just being map aware yourself and pinging like a madman.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 04 2011 03:09 GMT
#1009
On August 04 2011 11:42 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 10:56 gtrsrs wrote:
at 1500s you're better off just building a big item rather than wards tbh
your teammates won't even use the knowledge from your wards efficiently, you'll be wasting gold
only time i actively buy wards in solo queue is if i'm jungling, and only like pre-level 9

while my team may not use ward knowledge well, I (hopefully) will. Sometimes you can save ur teammates by just being map aware yourself and pinging like a madman.


o yeah i mean i ward my own lane when i'm laning but if i'm playing support i don't go out of my way to ward their jungle and whatnot. it just doesn't do much for you
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
August 04 2011 03:25 GMT
#1010
On August 04 2011 11:26 Tooplark wrote:
In solo queue I ward Dragon, Baron, and enemy buffs (occasionally) if I'm jungle, appropriate brush if I'm laning, and wherever I need when I inevitably give up and go solo push.


This is what I do as well. Ward the important stuff, ward your lane obviously, but don't go broke on wards unless its late-game and you have so much cash it doesn't matter.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 04 2011 03:42 GMT
#1011
1500-1600 solo queue is one of the most frustrating experiences in video game history
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 04 2011 03:44 GMT
#1012
On August 04 2011 11:27 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 10:00 Jaso wrote:
Hm... seems most people agree ._.

Must just be the people I'm playing against; whenever I have to play support I prefer Nidalee over Taric just because she's more fun to play, and have done pretty well.


Most of TL likes to theorycraft at ideal/high elo situations. In all honesty, support Nidalee (and most everything else imaginable) will work until, at the very least, 1500. I wouldn't be surprised if it remained viable even higher though. Point is, do what you enjoy and /ignoreall is your friend.



Yeah I'm 1500 right now so I could see why it still works.

Anyhow thanks for all the input from everyone :D definitely gave me a better understanding of Nid.
derp
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 04 2011 03:48 GMT
#1013
On August 04 2011 12:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1500-1600 solo queue is one of the most frustrating experiences in video game history

Yup. I alternate from really solid teams to complete downers every other game.
twitch.tv/cratonz
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 04 2011 03:49 GMT
#1014
On August 04 2011 12:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1500-1600 solo queue is one of the most frustrating experiences in video game history


1600-1700 is worse l0l
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 04 2011 03:52 GMT
#1015
On August 04 2011 12:49 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 12:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1500-1600 solo queue is one of the most frustrating experiences in video game history


1600-1700 is worse l0l

It's all been the same from about 1450 to low 1700s for me.
twitch.tv/cratonz
WhiteNights
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States252 Posts
August 04 2011 04:00 GMT
#1016
How does everybody besides Ashe buys three compare to having support buy twelve?

It's not like laners don't find themselves with a little leftover money after purchasing their stuff.
May your sky be always clear, may your smile be always bright, and may you be forever blessed for that moment of happiness which you gave to another lonely and grateful heart!
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
August 04 2011 04:21 GMT
#1017
SmashGizmo,

quite happy to hear Brother Ali on your stream. Nice choice!
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 04 2011 04:23 GMT
#1018
Riot tech support OP, actually fixed my problem
Brees on in
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 04 2011 04:26 GMT
#1019
Since laning is generally about racing for items, you can't realistically expect the three farmers to buy many wards or else it'll delay their big items too much and if the other team takes advantage of the timing, they can get precious objectives.
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 04:38:38
August 04 2011 04:28 GMT
#1020
So apparently some upcoming game mode got leaked early?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/j8ds6/if_you_google_search_league_of_legends_dominion/

EDIT: IRC chatlog of questionable merit: http://pastebin.com/ciCSb04n
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