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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 01 2011 23:39 GMT
#741
On August 02 2011 06:02 Caller wrote:
you guys should come play dota with me

come back
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
August 02 2011 00:06 GMT
#742
This week will kill me. My game freezes whenever Ryze uses Q and shuts down itself a couple of seconds later. FML.
currently rooting for myself.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
August 02 2011 00:07 GMT
#743
What kind of runes do I want to jungle jarvan and GP? ar pen marks, attack speed seals, -cd glyphs, ar pen quints for GP? same think for jarvan?
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 02 2011 00:19 GMT
#744
On August 02 2011 09:06 Shiv. wrote:
This week will kill me. My game freezes whenever Ryze uses Q and shuts down itself a couple of seconds later. FML.


what happens when you go against ryze bot lol
Hey! Listen!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
August 02 2011 00:29 GMT
#745
On August 02 2011 09:19 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 09:06 Shiv. wrote:
This week will kill me. My game freezes whenever Ryze uses Q and shuts down itself a couple of seconds later. FML.


what happens when you go against ryze bot lol

Basically... I try to avoid any Ryzes :D That'll be hard this week, seeing how I'm still leveling up.
currently rooting for myself.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 02 2011 00:39 GMT
#746
Uhm... I know I'm late to the party but on the whole dodge rune thingy...

I feel the strongest points of them (because of all the scaling previously mentioned) is to run them on any champ that will build armor eventually. I just love dodge/nimbleness combo on any of the solo top bruisers, especially because Ninja Tabis are so game-changing if you don't need Mercs.

Just so imba against those Bruiser/AP/AD+support/random jungle setups. Obviously you don't want it against dual AP but I really don't see that often. =P

Personally when I see dodge boots on the enemy solo top and I'm physical I QQ for laneswitches instantly 'cause it's just not winnable.

<3 Dodge.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 02 2011 00:48 GMT
#747
so with dan dinh repeatedly rolling with heimer on a top views stream

I am wondering what people's thoughts are on laning vs heimer
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#748
I was just thinking about this today. Heimer just seems like he should be a very strong pick because of how strong he is against tanky DPS.

Missiles are still very much OP especially because other nukes are constantly being nerfed in base damage.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 02 2011 01:10 GMT
#749
Well I only play normals so if I have a support to go bottom lane with I'll whip over to my new offense page, but I don't expect it to get much use ^_^ Do you run greed for your ninth point in utility or buff mastery?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 02 2011 01:13 GMT
#750
On August 02 2011 10:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Well I only play normals so if I have a support to go bottom lane with I'll whip over to my new offense page, but I don't expect it to get much use ^_^ Do you run greed for your ninth point in utility or buff mastery?

Generally buff mastery is considered superior. But if you know you're not gonna be getting the buffs, i guess you could drop the point in greed. However, you could just get a second point in that regen one i suppose...

Also, how exactly is heimer supposed to play anyways? Why would you pick him?
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 02 2011 01:21 GMT
#751
On August 02 2011 10:13 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 10:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Well I only play normals so if I have a support to go bottom lane with I'll whip over to my new offense page, but I don't expect it to get much use ^_^ Do you run greed for your ninth point in utility or buff mastery?

Generally buff mastery is considered superior. But if you know you're not gonna be getting the buffs, i guess you could drop the point in greed. However, you could just get a second point in that regen one i suppose...

Also, how exactly is heimer supposed to play anyways? Why would you pick him?

Buff mastery for 90% of situations imo. If you're a strong physical damage hero, especially if you are ranged, you know that you'll be getting red at some point, so the buff mastery helps in that regard. Also, if you're with any half decent support, then you're going to be gobbling up all the last hits, so greed is much less useful.

IDK, I've seen dan dinh roll a lot of strong people in the past few weeks with heimer, and he seems to just go for a standard AP build that could fit on Annie, Malz, Ori, anyone.... Other than the fact that heimer can push like a boss, what's so special about him? He's got a nice skillshot stun/blind, but the missile speed on that thing seems so slow that any other high elo player would just dodge it. Last time I checked, pushing lanes was not a desirable trait early on, since it paints a giant target on your back for the enemy jungler.

Can someone who's not a scrub like me explain why dan makes heimer so strong, other than good mechanics/last hitting/etc?
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 01:26:24
August 02 2011 01:22 GMT
#752
my understanding is that the way to win a teamfight with heimer is to get him blue, park your team outside a tower and mash w every time it's up. The range on missiles is gross, it's like the best poke in the game

pushing is actually hugely advantageous if you're not going to get ganked, your opponent is likely to miss a lot of cs because of the tower, you may be putting damage on tower, if he has to b he's going to lose a lot of xp and gold because the tower will eat all your creeps, and you can wonder off without him knowing since he has no vision in his lane

heimer is also not the easiest hero to gank near his turrets... I mean it's possible, just can be hard.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 01:26:40
August 02 2011 01:25 GMT
#753
On August 02 2011 10:21 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 10:13 Ryuu314 wrote:
On August 02 2011 10:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Well I only play normals so if I have a support to go bottom lane with I'll whip over to my new offense page, but I don't expect it to get much use ^_^ Do you run greed for your ninth point in utility or buff mastery?

Generally buff mastery is considered superior. But if you know you're not gonna be getting the buffs, i guess you could drop the point in greed. However, you could just get a second point in that regen one i suppose...

Also, how exactly is heimer supposed to play anyways? Why would you pick him?

Buff mastery for 90% of situations imo. If you're a strong physical damage hero, especially if you are ranged, you know that you'll be getting red at some point, so the buff mastery helps in that regard. Also, if you're with any half decent support, then you're going to be gobbling up all the last hits, so greed is much less useful.

IDK, I've seen dan dinh roll a lot of strong people in the past few weeks with heimer, and he seems to just go for a standard AP build that could fit on Annie, Malz, Ori, anyone.... Other than the fact that heimer can push like a boss, what's so special about him? He's got a nice skillshot stun/blind, but the missile speed on that thing seems so slow that any other high elo player would just dodge it. Last time I checked, pushing lanes was not a desirable trait early on, since it paints a giant target on your back for the enemy jungler.

Can someone who's not a scrub like me explain why dan makes heimer so strong, other than good mechanics/last hitting/etc?

Yea, you always want buff mastery unless you're playing support, in which case greed can be nice since you're starved for gold anyways. Or if you're playing a tanky dps or an AP champ (and you know you won't get blue 'cause you have say Oriana on your team as well or smth), you could go with greed or another point in that regen thing. Neither greed nor that regen mastery are all that great tho tbh.

I'm really confused about Heimer too. I know he pushes well and with good jungler support and warding you can push relatively safely. My guess is Heimer's insane range on his missiles allows for essentially risk-free harass against the mostly melee-dominated top lane. His E is also a amazing skill...if it hits. It's more useful as a counter-initiation type spell though I find. For example, if you see/know that WW/Jarvan jumping to you, you can preemptively E next to you and hit them that way. His turrets are also deceptively powerful, especially once you get rank 3 and they reduce armor/mres. Other than that, I have no idea why you would ever pick heimer.

Heimer confuses me :[
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 02 2011 01:37 GMT
#754
Didn't he, along with kennen, become less viable because of the zhonyas ring split?
hi
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 02 2011 01:45 GMT
#755
Most champions still have absolutely no good answer for turret + missle harass.

Plop down a turret to force them away from their creeps, and then missle the fuck outta them.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 01:54:27
August 02 2011 01:53 GMT
#756
On August 02 2011 10:37 Sponkz wrote:
Didn't he, along with kennen, become less viable because of the zhonyas ring split?

Tbh, he was never all that viable to begin with lol.

Kennen was viable because of his ability to basically stunlock an entire team. Heimer just kinda pushes lanes and farms. The biggest problem with Heimer is that his turrets kinda restrict his movement and mobility in teamfights. Additionally, his turrets are squishy and blow up pretty easily. Not to mention his missiles are not very reliable as they auto target and don't prioritize champs so you could be missile'ing creeps in teamfights. His E is also really slow in terms of projectile movement (even with his ulti up) so it's quite easy to dodge. His AP ratios are also pretty lackluster :\
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
August 02 2011 01:59 GMT
#757
On August 02 2011 09:06 Shiv. wrote:
This week will kill me. My game freezes whenever Ryze uses Q and shuts down itself a couple of seconds later. FML.



You tried repairing your install?
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 02 2011 02:24 GMT
#758
On August 02 2011 10:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 10:37 Sponkz wrote:
Didn't he, along with kennen, become less viable because of the zhonyas ring split?

Tbh, he was never all that viable to begin with lol.

Kennen was viable because of his ability to basically stunlock an entire team. Heimer just kinda pushes lanes and farms. The biggest problem with Heimer is that his turrets kinda restrict his movement and mobility in teamfights. Additionally, his turrets are squishy and blow up pretty easily. Not to mention his missiles are not very reliable as they auto target and don't prioritize champs so you could be missile'ing creeps in teamfights. His E is also really slow in terms of projectile movement (even with his ulti up) so it's quite easy to dodge. His AP ratios are also pretty lackluster :\


when u consider that heimer's spells are aoe and his turrets shoot like mofos (and you can have more than 1 of them active at a time at higher levels) his ratios are not bad.

heimer's strength in pushing and dominating lane, combined with map awareness and knowing when you are most vulnerable to ganks, makes him a viable solo queue pick. kind of like a safer version of mordekaiser with a bit more cc (and less single target burst).

u can win with any hero in solo queue
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 02 2011 02:28 GMT
#759
Has anyone ever tried a shield comp? Something that has Lee Sin, Janna, Orianna, Morg, etc. Seems like it would be good vs burst and maybe with a bruiser in front.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 02 2011 02:32 GMT
#760
On August 02 2011 11:28 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Has anyone ever tried a shield comp? Something that has Lee Sin, Janna, Orianna, Morg, etc. Seems like it would be good vs burst and maybe with a bruiser in front.


Remember shen, morg, janna, (carry, usually something like kog), nunu combos? 3 shields + AS + AD boost for carry. That used to be all the rage.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
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