Lower missile speed or smaller hitbox do NOT increase the skill cap for the Ashe. All that does is make it easier to dodge. That puts the success of an Arrow into the hands of the enemy and nobody else. You do not want that.

The only reasonable change I can think of right now is to slightly reduce the maximum range stun duration while keeping the base duration. This would force better team coordination as you have less time to engage before the effect wears off.

Actually I just noticed that I dislike this Arrow change quite a bit. After all, Arrow was one of the few things Ashe had to deal with ganks during laning. It's not ideal to use an Arrow to escape, but it's better than dieing. Ashe sure as hell did not need a nerf for her laning phase.

Im fine with it. It gave ashe a free 75 second kill in lane in conjunction with a gank, or a get out of jail free card. Nothin wrong with gettin rid of that aspect of it.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

July 08 2011 17:14 GMT

#2223

Gotta love those 150 mana 75 second cooldown <1 second skillshot stuns for getting out of jail free.
(insert random champ here) has nothing on that.

tyCe

Australia2542 Posts

July 08 2011 18:25 GMT

#2224

Not to mention that Ashe's ECA, because of its huge cooldown, has a huge pressure to actually initiate properly, set up a gank or save a teammate. Skillshots like Amumu's Bandage Toss give a decent stun and can be fired every few seconds. I'm not saying that ECA isn't better than other skillshots, but the importance of the ECA actually hitting and hitting the right target was immense, such that having to waste it as a get-away tool is just a shitty situation for Ashe to get into.

Now, with this nerf, it just makes the importance of hitting the ECA on the right target at the right time, in the right position even greater. In that sense, I like the Ashe nerf since good Ashe players were controlling the metagame in Europe too heavily imo, but the nerf will separate the great Ashes from the world-class ones.

In another sense, as an Ashe player, I hate the nerf T.T

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

July 08 2011 21:21 GMT

#2225

RABADAN. NOOOOOOO

gonna be trying Yorick now :3

I_Love_Bacon

United States5765 Posts

July 08 2011 23:57 GMT

#2226

AP Alistar nerfed.... My heart has been broken. I've been playing a lot of Ashe and Amumu lately, but any chance I could I always went to AP Alistar. Just so much damn fun when people don't expect the ridiculous W>Q combo to light them up.

Lorken

New Zealand804 Posts

July 09 2011 00:09 GMT

#2227

Nice patch except rabadon's

I wish they'd buff Ezreal's base damage though.

Irave

United States9965 Posts

July 09 2011 01:23 GMT

#2228

Looks pretty good, funny thought you put ward hoping back into the game. I don't think being able to tell someone is teleporting to a ward will save many lives.

LoCicero

1100 Posts

July 09 2011 19:38 GMT

#2229

Thank god for the Ryze buff, imo that puts him closer to where he should be. I think he's probably very well balanced at this point. I haven't played LoL in a while (drunk veigar games don't count), but I might have to play some Ryze after that change.

zalz

Netherlands3704 Posts

July 09 2011 21:16 GMT

#2230

I dumped several thousand IP points into a set of runes that only work for Ryze, the least they could do is make him viable

BajaBlood

United States205 Posts

July 10 2011 21:50 GMT

#2231

I've still been getting stunned by Ashe arrow, it could be that they were just tweaking the slowing part of it and not removing the stun.

Parametric

Canada1261 Posts

July 10 2011 22:13 GMT

#2232

Ashe

Enchanted Crystal Arrow
Cooldown increased to 100/90/80 from 75 at all levels
Slow duration no longer scales with level and now slows for 3 seconds at all levels

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/release-notes-v100121

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

July 10 2011 22:13 GMT

#2233

On July 11 2011 06:50 BajaBlood wrote:
I've still been getting stunned by Ashe arrow, it could be that they were just tweaking the slowing part of it and not removing the stun.

Yes, exactly what the patch notes said. Removing the stun would be the biggest nerf in recent LoL history.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

July 10 2011 22:49 GMT

#2234

General
Fixed areas in brush that did not correctly hide units

:turbobowdown:

the best and most important change they've made in 2 years

Goshawk.

United Kingdom5338 Posts

July 25 2011 11:34 GMT

#2235

TF, Panth no longer global ultis, galio buff, corki nerf, tyrn with rage system.

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

July 25 2011 12:40 GMT

#2236

On July 25 2011 20:34 Goshawk. wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrSNXkBQ4K8

TF, Panth no longer global ultis, galio buff, corki nerf, tyrn with rage system.

Good patch overall; makes a lot of sense. TF is straight up OP, corki is a little bit too hard to catch for a carry with so much dmg and Galio was pretty useless.

Although I hope this doesn't mean a wave of noob Trynds will hit public. Last thing we need is a noob Trynd instant-lock to go with the standard noob Yi instant-lock.

rwrzr

United States1980 Posts

July 25 2011 16:01 GMT

#2237

FUKC YEAH FURY RUNES INCOMING BEACHES

edit: please don't ban me kthx

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

July 25 2011 16:56 GMT

#2238

The Galio changes confuse me. Better base stats and more damage reduction on his ult are helpful, but they don't really address Galio's most fundamental problems as a main tank.

Galio's core problem remains that the moment his ult is finished he's completely ignorable. All other tanks are able to keep hard CCing enemies throughout the team fight, but Galio only has a soft CC and a haste buff which is both positional and directional. These tools aren't useless, but their effects are limited in an era chock full of gap closers.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

July 25 2011 17:01 GMT

#2239

Try playing him as Yiruru had in his guide, Galio is definitely not something you can ignore if given enough farm. The issue is just that he is mostly outclassed by other casters in them having better utility or damage output in the long run. If I have to make a comparison, Galio at the moment is kinda similar to the pre buff Annie, without a point and click stun capability and with more tank.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

July 25 2011 20:20 GMT

#2240

Galio's trademark is still the 90 armor/MR buff he can give to anyone on his team. All tanks are meant to be ignored as soon as a better target presents itself anyways.

Galio is basically malphite in that his role is to start off a fight with a bang and lets his team finish the job while he just autoattacks whoever and casts w/e spells. If the initial bang is big enough then even a tank doesn't really need much follow-up cc's.