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TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
June 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#2061
On June 22 2011 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:

Didn't they make it so Parrley didn't apply GP's passive in some patch some time ago 'cause it was OP? Now they revert it after they buff his passive? I confuse.


That was because it had healing reduction, which is being taken away in this upcoming patch.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 22 2011 02:10 GMT
#2062
On June 22 2011 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax and xin nerfs are completely unnecessary imo. Jax has even less of a use than he did before rofl

Didn't they make it so Parrley didn't apply GP's passive in some patch some time ago 'cause it was OP? Now they revert it after they buff his passive? I confuse.

No idea about the Jax and XZ nerfs. But with the GP buff, Guinsoo wants Jungle GP to be able to open a gank with his Q. Currently, his most reliable way of getting a slow in is Ult since getting into melee range is not always practical without blowing summoners. Internal Riot test on a working patch gave GP a clear time of 3:40 or something on one jungle route with hard leash, opened Cloth+5 but did not need to use all pots. Do not know Runes+Masteries. Don't remember exact figures. But it was pretty good. Think this time might have gone up since that test.

On June 22 2011 11:01 crate wrote:
Gangplank looks terrifying.

Morello thinks GP is borderline OP and these will push him over. I'm inclined to agree. In particular, Jungle GP has many advantages with some self-sustain from Fruit and can earn more money than the other jungler thanks to Q. He is a bit reliant on Blue though.

On June 22 2011 10:54 R04R wrote:
Morg's black shield is even more op now. Gonna sit in their grouped up team 1v5 ulting

Idea is to make Morgana a viable pick over Lux and give her more use in a team.

On June 22 2011 11:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think all the xin nerfs in the past and the jax nerf now is probably 90% motivated by 900 elo nubs who think xin and jax are OP. Every time I smurf and play with my low summoner level friends hella people QQ about how OP xin is when the real problem is that they just overextend stupidly and get caught by xin combo.

To be fair Jax Q harass was a little ridiculous with the right rune page, but that nerf is a bit much imo.

Balance is an interesting thing at Riot. There is balance at the High-Elo spectrum, but there must always be balance at the Low-Elo area too. Many of the people who play this game are not ultra-competitive. In fact, many of the players are not ranked. As a significant portion of the player base, Riot must also ensure that playing the game is fun for them as well. If the game is not fun for them anymore, then there is no reason to play it. A game that is not accessible to people is not a direction that any game company should take if they want to remain viable.

A good article worth reading would be this. While it talks about Magic the Gathering instead of LoL, the same principles apply. It may also be worth noting that several of the Design Team have background in balancing and design from things such as Magic.
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
June 22 2011 02:11 GMT
#2063
Well. Get your GP games in now. Because he will be instaban status once this goes live. Parley procs passive again.
Asdkmoga
Profile Joined May 2010
United States496 Posts
June 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#2064
Yorrick... i will play the hell out of you... just come out sooner plz D:. i want you
"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action and over 600 is clearly the work of an ancient Sumerian demon or some shit."
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
June 22 2011 02:13 GMT
#2065
GP was already op this patch people just haven't realized it. Time for ban status zzzz.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
June 22 2011 02:15 GMT
#2066
LOL these GP buffs.

LOL.
Retvrn to Forvms
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 02:16:43
June 22 2011 02:15 GMT
#2067
On June 22 2011 11:10 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax and xin nerfs are completely unnecessary imo. Jax has even less of a use than he did before rofl

Didn't they make it so Parrley didn't apply GP's passive in some patch some time ago 'cause it was OP? Now they revert it after they buff his passive? I confuse.

No idea about the Jax and XZ nerfs. But with the GP buff, Guinsoo wants Jungle GP to be able to open a gank with his Q. Currently, his most reliable way of getting a slow in is Ult since getting into melee range is not always practical without blowing summoners. Internal Riot test on a working patch gave GP a clear time of 3:40 or something on one jungle route with hard leash, opened Cloth+5 but did not need to use all pots. Do not know Runes+Masteries. Don't remember exact figures. But it was pretty good. Think this time might have gone up since that test.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:01 crate wrote:
Gangplank looks terrifying.

Morello thinks GP is borderline OP and these will push him over. I'm inclined to agree. In particular, Jungle GP has many advantages with some self-sustain from Fruit and can earn more money than the other jungler thanks to Q. He is a bit reliant on Blue though.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 10:54 R04R wrote:
Morg's black shield is even more op now. Gonna sit in their grouped up team 1v5 ulting

Idea is to make Morgana a viable pick over Lux and give her more use in a team.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think all the xin nerfs in the past and the jax nerf now is probably 90% motivated by 900 elo nubs who think xin and jax are OP. Every time I smurf and play with my low summoner level friends hella people QQ about how OP xin is when the real problem is that they just overextend stupidly and get caught by xin combo.

To be fair Jax Q harass was a little ridiculous with the right rune page, but that nerf is a bit much imo.

Balance is an interesting thing at Riot. There is balance at the High-Elo spectrum, but there must always be balance at the Low-Elo area too. Many of the people who play this game are not ultra-competitive. In fact, many of the players are not ranked. As a significant portion of the player base, Riot must also ensure that playing the game is fun for them as well. If the game is not fun for them anymore, then there is no reason to play it. A game that is not accessible to people is not a direction that any game company should take if they want to remain viable.

A good article worth reading would be this. While it talks about Magic the Gathering instead of LoL, the same principles apply. It may also be worth noting that several of the Design Team have background in balancing and design from things such as Magic.


Have you guys considered tweaking the mana cost on morgs pool or upping her base movespeed? Seems like almost all the new champs have a distance creator that lets them just walk away from morgs ulti.

Also, gp insane and eve neutered. I think they just swapped for #1 ban in solo Q
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 22 2011 02:16 GMT
#2068
On June 22 2011 11:10 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax and xin nerfs are completely unnecessary imo. Jax has even less of a use than he did before rofl

Didn't they make it so Parrley didn't apply GP's passive in some patch some time ago 'cause it was OP? Now they revert it after they buff his passive? I confuse.

No idea about the Jax and XZ nerfs. But with the GP buff, Guinsoo wants Jungle GP to be able to open a gank with his Q. Currently, his most reliable way of getting a slow in is Ult since getting into melee range is not always practical without blowing summoners. Internal Riot test on a working patch gave GP a clear time of 3:40 or something on one jungle route with hard leash, opened Cloth+5 but did not need to use all pots. Do not know Runes+Masteries. Don't remember exact figures. But it was pretty good. Think this time might have gone up since that test.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:01 crate wrote:
Gangplank looks terrifying.

Morello thinks GP is borderline OP and these will push him over. I'm inclined to agree. In particular, Jungle GP has many advantages with some self-sustain from Fruit and can earn more money than the other jungler thanks to Q. He is a bit reliant on Blue though.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 10:54 R04R wrote:
Morg's black shield is even more op now. Gonna sit in their grouped up team 1v5 ulting

Idea is to make Morgana a viable pick over Lux and give her more use in a team.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think all the xin nerfs in the past and the jax nerf now is probably 90% motivated by 900 elo nubs who think xin and jax are OP. Every time I smurf and play with my low summoner level friends hella people QQ about how OP xin is when the real problem is that they just overextend stupidly and get caught by xin combo.

To be fair Jax Q harass was a little ridiculous with the right rune page, but that nerf is a bit much imo.

Balance is an interesting thing at Riot. There is balance at the High-Elo spectrum, but there must always be balance at the Low-Elo area too. Many of the people who play this game are not ultra-competitive. In fact, many of the players are not ranked. As a significant portion of the player base, Riot must also ensure that playing the game is fun for them as well. If the game is not fun for them anymore, then there is no reason to play it. A game that is not accessible to people is not a direction that any game company should take if they want to remain viable.

A good article worth reading would be this. While it talks about Magic the Gathering instead of LoL, the same principles apply. It may also be worth noting that several of the Design Team have background in balancing and design from things such as Magic.

Jungleplank had a slow even before passive rework. Gank with red buff, use Q insta slow gg. No idea why they need to change his Q to apply passive. Now Laneplank will be even stronger, maybe even OP. Kinda like the old days when Q applied his old passive. I guess the difference is that no heal reduc is slightly less OP, but still...

I get that it's important to balance for nubs too, but Xin and Jax are already niche enough already. Why make them worse?
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
June 22 2011 02:26 GMT
#2069
I guess Riot is happy with where the game is as this patch doesn't do much to effect the op champs in the game. Rumble only got his ulti nerfed lawl, and gp probably OP now.

Eve so bad now lawl, and why are they so hesitant to buff fiddle more he's just so terrible and they keep buffing him (or accidentally nerfing him) by tiny amounts.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
June 22 2011 02:29 GMT
#2070
Because all the old players remember in beta when CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAW

PENTAKILL
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 22 2011 02:30 GMT
#2071
On June 22 2011 11:15 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Have you guys considered tweaking the mana cost on morgs pool or upping her base movespeed? Seems like almost all the new champs have a distance creator that lets them just walk away from morgs ulti.

Also, gp insane and eve neutered. I think they just swapped for #1 ban in solo Q

I am not on Balance Team. Don't ask me. All I know is that this is not the last change for Morg.

Gap-closers on Tanky DPS is what Riot thinks is the number one thing that breaks them. That is why Yorrick is going to be tanky dps with no gap closer and then they'll hope he's not OP. Think of him being inspired by Udyr-style tanky dps no gap closer.

On June 22 2011 11:26 Goshawk. wrote:
I guess Riot is happy with where the game is as this patch doesn't do much to effect the op champs in the game. Rumble only got his ulti nerfed lawl, and gp probably OP now.

Eve so bad now lawl, and why are they so hesitant to buff fiddle more he's just so terrible and they keep buffing him (or accidentally nerfing him) by tiny amounts.

Fiddle has 2 players that main him high Elo on NA (Reidan and Honver I think). Don't know of any GP Mains (except maybe Chrispy? But don't think Classick/Statikk play much with him). So Fiddle gets less buffs than GP. Fiddle can now Fear into un-cancellable Ult even if you have some tenacity for what that counts.
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Sae
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
June 22 2011 02:34 GMT
#2072
about time they fixed the backwards spear bug, took way too long but still happy about it ^__^
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
June 22 2011 02:36 GMT
#2073
Blitzcrank

When Blitzcrank grabs a champion with Rocket Grab, he will now attempt to attack them as well


OMG
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Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
June 22 2011 02:37 GMT
#2074
On June 22 2011 11:30 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:15 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Have you guys considered tweaking the mana cost on morgs pool or upping her base movespeed? Seems like almost all the new champs have a distance creator that lets them just walk away from morgs ulti.

Also, gp insane and eve neutered. I think they just swapped for #1 ban in solo Q

I am not on Balance Team. Don't ask me. All I know is that this is not the last change for Morg.

Gap-closers on Tanky DPS is what Riot thinks is the number one thing that breaks them. That is why Yorrick is going to be tanky dps with no gap closer and then they'll hope he's not OP. Think of him being inspired by Udyr-style tanky dps no gap closer.


<3 thank you for the response.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 22 2011 02:39 GMT
#2075
Udyr may be able to Phoenix jungle agian. Sweet.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
June 22 2011 02:42 GMT
#2076
On June 22 2011 11:30 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:26 Goshawk. wrote:
I guess Riot is happy with where the game is as this patch doesn't do much to effect the op champs in the game. Rumble only got his ulti nerfed lawl, and gp probably OP now.

Eve so bad now lawl, and why are they so hesitant to buff fiddle more he's just so terrible and they keep buffing him (or accidentally nerfing him) by tiny amounts.

Fiddle has 2 players that main him high Elo on NA (Reidan and Honver I think). Don't know of any GP Mains (except maybe Chrispy? But don't think Classick/Statikk play much with him). So Fiddle gets less buffs than GP. Fiddle can now Fear into un-cancellable Ult even if you have some tenacity for what that counts.


Analyzing champs>> evidence of random players who get high elo with them. I don't mean to sound condescending but fiddle is terrible. It's not surprising no one has realized how strong GP is yet considering everyone just blindly said: "GP is dead" when he got his deny removed and he become thought of as a troll pick.

On June 22 2011 11:30 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 11:15 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Have you guys considered tweaking the mana cost on morgs pool or upping her base movespeed? Seems like almost all the new champs have a distance creator that lets them just walk away from morgs ulti.

Also, gp insane and eve neutered. I think they just swapped for #1 ban in solo Q


Gap-closers on Tanky DPS is what Riot thinks is the number one thing that breaks them. That is why Yorrick is going to be tanky dps with no gap closer and then they'll hope he's not OP. Think of him being inspired by Udyr-style tanky dps no gap closer.


That's why they made irilea, jarvan and renekton. :D
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
June 22 2011 03:02 GMT
#2077
Well time to buy Gangplank, I don't think I've seen a champion this ridiculously OP since pre-hotfix Leblanc.
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Alkadizar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia25 Posts
June 22 2011 03:18 GMT
#2078
Finally they are fixing the minion particle bug. anyone else been getting that?
It looks like giant channel lightning coming from ranged minions and the cannons just go heywire.

I was expecting the Kayle rework this patch after the latest Journal of justice.
Any news on upcoming Kayle changes MoonBear?
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
June 22 2011 03:32 GMT
#2079
looks like gangplank nerfs to me, lost his healing reduction which is the only good thing about him
Brees on in
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 22 2011 03:36 GMT
#2080
On June 22 2011 12:32 Brees wrote:
looks like gangplank nerfs to me, lost his healing reduction which is the only good thing about him

Yea, I agree with the loss of healin reduc bein terrible. I really liked that about GP. Once you locked onto a target, they can't get sona'd or soraka'd back to full hp.

Still, GP is still majorly buffed with Q applying passive now. He's also much harder to escape from w/out CC and Flash too.
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