[Discussion] Patch Notes - Page 104

On June 22 2011 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:

Didn't they make it so Parrley didn't apply GP's passive in some patch some time ago 'cause it was OP? Now they revert it after they buff his passive? I confuse.

On June 22 2011 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax and xin nerfs are completely unnecessary imo. Jax has even less of a use than he did before rofl

Didn't they make it so Parrley didn't apply GP's passive in some patch some time ago 'cause it was OP? Now they revert it after they buff his passive? I confuse.

On June 22 2011 11:01 crate wrote:
Gangplank looks terrifying.

On June 22 2011 10:54 R04R wrote:
Morg's black shield is even more op now. Gonna sit in their grouped up team 1v5 ulting

On June 22 2011 11:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think all the xin nerfs in the past and the jax nerf now is probably 90% motivated by 900 elo nubs who think xin and jax are OP. Every time I smurf and play with my low summoner level friends hella people QQ about how OP xin is when the real problem is that they just overextend stupidly and get caught by xin combo.

To be fair Jax Q harass was a little ridiculous with the right rune page, but that nerf is a bit much imo.

On June 22 2011 11:10 MoonBear wrote:

No idea about the Jax and XZ nerfs. But with the GP buff, Guinsoo wants Jungle GP to be able to open a gank with his Q. Currently, his most reliable way of getting a slow in is Ult since getting into melee range is not always practical without blowing summoners. Internal Riot test on a working patch gave GP a clear time of 3:40 or something on one jungle route with hard leash, opened Cloth+5 but did not need to use all pots. Do not know Runes+Masteries. Don't remember exact figures. But it was pretty good. Think this time might have gone up since that test.


Morello thinks GP is borderline OP and these will push him over. I'm inclined to agree. In particular, Jungle GP has many advantages with some self-sustain from Fruit and can earn more money than the other jungler thanks to Q. He is a bit reliant on Blue though.


Idea is to make Morgana a viable pick over Lux and give her more use in a team.


Balance is an interesting thing at Riot. There is balance at the High-Elo spectrum, but there must always be balance at the Low-Elo area too. Many of the people who play this game are not ultra-competitive. In fact, many of the players are not ranked. As a significant portion of the player base, Riot must also ensure that playing the game is fun for them as well. If the game is not fun for them anymore, then there is no reason to play it. A game that is not accessible to people is not a direction that any game company should take if they want to remain viable.

A good article worth reading would be this. While it talks about Magic the Gathering instead of LoL, the same principles apply. It may also be worth noting that several of the Design Team have background in balancing and design from things such as Magic.

On June 22 2011 11:10 MoonBear wrote:

No idea about the Jax and XZ nerfs. But with the GP buff, Guinsoo wants Jungle GP to be able to open a gank with his Q. Currently, his most reliable way of getting a slow in is Ult since getting into melee range is not always practical without blowing summoners. Internal Riot test on a working patch gave GP a clear time of 3:40 or something on one jungle route with hard leash, opened Cloth+5 but did not need to use all pots. Do not know Runes+Masteries. Don't remember exact figures. But it was pretty good. Think this time might have gone up since that test.


Morello thinks GP is borderline OP and these will push him over. I'm inclined to agree. In particular, Jungle GP has many advantages with some self-sustain from Fruit and can earn more money than the other jungler thanks to Q. He is a bit reliant on Blue though.


Idea is to make Morgana a viable pick over Lux and give her more use in a team.


Balance is an interesting thing at Riot. There is balance at the High-Elo spectrum, but there must always be balance at the Low-Elo area too. Many of the people who play this game are not ultra-competitive. In fact, many of the players are not ranked. As a significant portion of the player base, Riot must also ensure that playing the game is fun for them as well. If the game is not fun for them anymore, then there is no reason to play it. A game that is not accessible to people is not a direction that any game company should take if they want to remain viable.

A good article worth reading would be this. While it talks about Magic the Gathering instead of LoL, the same principles apply. It may also be worth noting that several of the Design Team have background in balancing and design from things such as Magic.

On June 22 2011 11:15 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Have you guys considered tweaking the mana cost on morgs pool or upping her base movespeed? Seems like almost all the new champs have a distance creator that lets them just walk away from morgs ulti.

Also, gp insane and eve neutered. I think they just swapped for #1 ban in solo Q

On June 22 2011 11:26 Goshawk. wrote:
I guess Riot is happy with where the game is as this patch doesn't do much to effect the op champs in the game. Rumble only got his ulti nerfed lawl, and gp probably OP now.

Eve so bad now lawl, and why are they so hesitant to buff fiddle more he's just so terrible and they keep buffing him (or accidentally nerfing him) by tiny amounts.

On June 22 2011 11:30 MoonBear wrote:

I am not on Balance Team. Don't ask me. All I know is that this is not the last change for Morg.

Gap-closers on Tanky DPS is what Riot thinks is the number one thing that breaks them. That is why Yorrick is going to be tanky dps with no gap closer and then they'll hope he's not OP. Think of him being inspired by Udyr-style tanky dps no gap closer.

On June 22 2011 11:30 MoonBear wrote:

Fiddle has 2 players that main him high Elo on NA (Reidan and Honver I think). Don't know of any GP Mains (except maybe Chrispy? But don't think Classick/Statikk play much with him). So Fiddle gets less buffs than GP. Fiddle can now Fear into un-cancellable Ult even if you have some tenacity for what that counts.

On June 22 2011 11:30 MoonBear wrote:


Gap-closers on Tanky DPS is what Riot thinks is the number one thing that breaks them. That is why Yorrick is going to be tanky dps with no gap closer and then they'll hope he's not OP. Think of him being inspired by Udyr-style tanky dps no gap closer.

On June 22 2011 12:32 Brees wrote:
looks like gangplank nerfs to me, lost his healing reduction which is the only good thing about him