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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 20 2011 17:31 GMT
#17901
ROA on singed isnt all that good. Fast cata->Rylais= much better imo
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
June 20 2011 17:39 GMT
#17902
On June 21 2011 02:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
ROA on singed isnt all that good. Fast cata->Rylais= much better imo

I just checked, and RoA gives singed a net +811 HP because of his passive applying to the mana given from RoA (of course assuming it's fully stacked). Also gives extra mana and the exact same amount of AP as Rylais.

Is the slow on spell damage really worth going with an inferior stat boost overall? Rylais is also more expensive, but only by ~70 gold IIRC.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 20 2011 17:40 GMT
#17903
Spellblock is op yo, you do it for the BV. and the rylais slow+ survivability makes you pretty much unkilable mid game.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 20 2011 17:41 GMT
#17904
Rylai's gives you the stats immediately, which is pretty relevant. And yes, the perma slow is quite strong.
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 17:44:35
June 20 2011 17:43 GMT
#17905
On June 21 2011 02:41 Mogwai wrote:
Rylai's gives you the stats immediately, which is pretty relevant. And yes, the perma slow is quite strong.

That's true, RoA takes 15 minutes to become even with Rylais in health, and the full 20 to become even in AP boost....

Edit: wow, vayne + support = new op lane combo.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
June 20 2011 17:46 GMT
#17906
On June 21 2011 02:39 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 02:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
ROA on singed isnt all that good. Fast cata->Rylais= much better imo

I just checked, and RoA gives singed a net +811 HP because of his passive applying to the mana given from RoA (of course assuming it's fully stacked). Also gives extra mana and the exact same amount of AP as Rylais.

Is the slow on spell damage really worth going with an inferior stat boost overall? Rylais is also more expensive, but only by ~70 gold IIRC.


15% perma slow on smoke is really good. Also cata better off building into bveil than roa
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 20 2011 18:10 GMT
#17907
RoA on singed is fine. i get it if i'm having a good early game because it makes your midgame that much stronger. in a normal game i'd rush go cata->sunfire->rylai->banshee but if i have a kill in lane or something and i can get a 13 minute RoA? i'm doing it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 20 2011 18:15 GMT
#17908
How does RoA make your midgame stronger? You dont get any immediate stats, and it isnt like singed does any burst damage, so getting tanky stats faster means you do more damage since your alive longer. Plus, as bv+rylais lets you 1v5 throughout the midgame. What is stronger than that?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
June 20 2011 18:17 GMT
#17909
RoA also gives you some AP, which is nice. (Obviously Singed doesn't have uber AP scaling, but it's still something)
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 20 2011 18:25 GMT
#17910
On June 21 2011 03:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
How does RoA make your midgame stronger? You dont get any immediate stats, and it isnt like singed does any burst damage, so getting tanky stats faster means you do more damage since your alive longer. Plus, as bv+rylais lets you 1v5 throughout the midgame. What is stronger than that?


fully charged RoA is like the second most cost efficient item in the game after rageblade isn't it? and one of the stats doubles up on singed so it's even better on him. there are no stats he can't use from it (well... he doesn't NEED the mana true, but it does stack his HP).

RoA also keeps the catalyst level-up passive, so there's no need to hold onto your cata if you're doing well early game.

rylai's is a great item on him i just don't like rushing it. rushing BV is fine too but honestly the spellshield isn't all that great on him. melee champs get the shield popped really easily. so if you have the catalyst and the negatron you're in good shape and you can start going for another item instead, like sunfire/rylai.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 20 2011 18:27 GMT
#17911
Thanks to Dreamhack, my mates can't force me to go solo with Vayne anymore. So I'll finally get the support I wanted all the time!

Well, that, or Vayne gets even more bans now....
A backwards poet writes inverse.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 20 2011 18:46 GMT
#17912
On June 21 2011 03:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
How does RoA make your midgame stronger? You dont get any immediate stats, and it isnt like singed does any burst damage, so getting tanky stats faster means you do more damage since your alive longer. Plus, as bv+rylais lets you 1v5 throughout the midgame. What is stronger than that?

Straight up RoA obviously finishes earlier than Cata -> Rylai's. So during that time you need to farm up those 1350 gold, RoA is stronger.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 19:15:33
June 20 2011 19:04 GMT
#17913
On June 21 2011 03:46 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 03:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
How does RoA make your midgame stronger? You dont get any immediate stats, and it isnt like singed does any burst damage, so getting tanky stats faster means you do more damage since your alive longer. Plus, as bv+rylais lets you 1v5 throughout the midgame. What is stronger than that?

Straight up RoA obviously finishes earlier than Cata -> Rylai's. So during that time you need to farm up those 1350 gold, RoA is stronger.

I really want to test this, but it's almost impossible to get a controlled set of circumstances under which any conclusions can be made. D=

RoA gives approximately half of its stats as an initial, so I guess there's a small period of time where it gives better stats, but the faster BV given by going cata->rylais gives more health when those two items are done, more MR faster, but slightly less mana (which isn't really a problem on singed).

Also, are you guys watching this Riot vs. Pro game? Riot picked five supports for the pros, and they're still doing fine. For gods sake, Soraka has 15 more cs in lane than ashe, lol.

10 minute later edit: 5 supports is actually winning, they pushed down an inhib... Really shows the skill difference between pros and joes.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 20 2011 19:24 GMT
#17914
actually 5 supports is insanely strong midgame
right when their heals are at their highest (level 9-13) and before the enemy champs have any real items, a 5 support (or 4 support and 1 carry) comp can just push and win and there's nothing you can do about it, as they're all impossible to kill and even if they weren't, you're undergeared for it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 20 2011 19:28 GMT
#17915
Also riot didnt pick any anti-heals like Trist or GP
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 19:39:09
June 20 2011 19:32 GMT
#17916
I like RoA on singed cause banshee veil sucks on him.

RoA --> rylai's ---> FoN

if you are letting their ad carries attack you are doing it wrong, so dont really ever feel a need to get armor.

if they have a lot of tanky dps I will get randuin's though, sunfire es noob trap on singed, sucks on him
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
June 20 2011 19:37 GMT
#17917
if their ad carries are attacking you they're not attacking someone else
armor is for weaklings
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Sae
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
June 20 2011 19:47 GMT
#17918
I think the idea is more that the ad carries should be trying not to get flung into death rather than them ignoring you.
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 19:49:27
June 20 2011 19:48 GMT
#17919
On June 21 2011 04:37 Tooplark wrote:
if their ad carries are attacking you they're not attacking someone else
armor is for weaklings

Yeah, but if you're playing singed in the traditional setup, you're the player on your team who can take the most damage, initiate fights, and generally turn the tide of battle by throwing their squishies into your team.... You still need to build some armor on singed to fulfill that role, especially if they have a strong ad carry like vayne.

I generally go RoA by convention (been doing it for so long I've never considered anything else), BV, and maybe even thornmail if their AD's are super fed. I'm going to test up the cata - rylais today though.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
June 20 2011 19:50 GMT
#17920
So I can't login into EU server for like 2 days straight. They have shut down the whole server to host Dreamhack or what?
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