What are strong 1v2 laners? Started ranked, not going to comment on a few unlucky games, but eh. Often times the solo top gets destroyed, so I figured I should take that role.

Nasus is okay at it, any others? Cho Gath perhaps? Tanky would be a plus.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

April 17 2011 12:12 GMT

#12526

On April 17 2011 21:02 BouBou.865 wrote:
What are strong 1v2 laners? Started ranked, not going to comment on a few unlucky games, but eh. Often times the solo top gets destroyed, so I figured I should take that role.

Nasus is okay at it, any others? Cho Gath perhaps? Tanky would be a plus.

Nasus is pretty bad at it actually. If your enemies want to zone you, they will have a really easy time.

Imo Maokai is the strongest 1v2 currently if he is supported by jungle/roam.
Malphite or Cho works kinda, Karthus should be fine at lower levels. Kennen should be good.

Ideally you want to have cheap long range spells that you can farm with, but you should also be able to hold your tower against hard pushing. Bonus points if you are not pushing while farming with spells.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

April 17 2011 12:50 GMT

#12527

Nasus isn't awful when compared to other melee since he has a lot of lifesteal and you can start cloth+5 pots as well. If the enemies are bad and push especially it's pretty safe to get some last hits and you are uber beefy with an imba slow if someone comes to gank. You can also control the pushed waves with spirit fire. But he's not the best.

The best 1v2'ers have some combination of long range, AoE, and healing. Morgana trumps this pack with all 3, chogath is great as well once you level your rupture and feral scream enough. Vlad is good. Malphite is bad now. Morde is good except vs like double ranged carry ashe/teemo stuff. Maokai I imagine does well but never seen him 1v2. Most ranged do fine though.

Again, mostly its bad players who auto attack lanes 1v2 vs you. Most players at top level don't try to 1v2 without jungle because usually teams have 1 1v2'er to support a roamer bot and they can just send the roamer top and have bot 1v2 if you try to set up a super deny but weak lane like gangplank/X.

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

April 17 2011 13:14 GMT

#12528

Well i think BouBou was asking about <1200 Elo or something so yeah, Nasus is good at 1v2ing at low Elo. Actually everything is, i used to 1v2 as annie vs bads and usually it means you get a double kill when you are lvl 6

Honestly it all depends if you are playing vs people who push 24/7 or people who just don't harass you too much. For the pushers ofc you need some anti-pushing skill, for the others you can go well with anything that doesn't require crapton of farm to be effective.

Lanzoma

Mexico813 Posts

April 17 2011 15:13 GMT

#12529

If you try to Vlad 1v2 you're going to get absolutely demolished.

Navi

5286 Posts

April 17 2011 16:23 GMT

#12530

vlad sucks 1v2 most of the time if ur opponents know what they're doing
generally tanky shit that have an extremely quick way of getting rid of creep waves at tower are most all purpose 1v2ers (singed, cho)
even if they do get harassed or w/e they can usually shrug it off (singed until he gets his cata, cho until he heals it back up at tower again). thus they have the ability to stay somewhat near exp range if the lane is pushing towards their side.

if the 2 in question is really weak, sometimes you can make do with shen or w/e, but cho and singed probably MVP because they are really good when it becomes a 1v1 as well (if the other goes roaming / healing or w/e).

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

April 17 2011 16:32 GMT

#12531

On April 18 2011 01:23 Navi wrote:
vlad sucks 1v2 most of the time if ur opponents know what they're doing
generally tanky shit that have an extremely quick way of getting rid of creep waves at tower are most all purpose 1v2ers (singed, cho)
even if they do get harassed or w/e they can usually shrug it off (singed until he gets his cata, cho until he heals it back up at tower again). thus they have the ability to stay somewhat near exp range if the lane is pushing towards their side.

if the 2 in question is really weak, sometimes you can make do with shen or w/e, but cho and singed probably MVP because they are really good when it becomes a 1v1 as well (if the other goes roaming / healing or w/e).

Imo Shen >>>> Singed for 1v2.
Singed can't really shrug 2 enemies' harrass off and has to get really close to grab lasthits. And even if they push, he still has to run around far enough from the tower that all their ranged stuff can hit him easily.
Shen can at least max Feint and lasthit with Vorpal.
Obviously Shen can't make use of his ult in a 1v2 lane, lol.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

April 17 2011 16:50 GMT

#12532

Hmmm, the most important thing is whether the champion can easily farm the ranged minions, imo. It's pretty much impossible to deny melee minion exp so as long as you have a champ that can 1-shot the ranged minions without overextending then that's good.

EmeraldSparks

United States1451 Posts

April 17 2011 16:56 GMT

#12533

lux has super range a snare and can antipush like its nobodys business

no heal though

Pigsquirrel

United States615 Posts

April 17 2011 17:08 GMT

#12534

One problem with solo anything morg is farming against anybody with a skillshot (Hello Ezreal) You're attack animation is so long they can walk up to you, drink a cup of coffee, take a piss, then shoot you in the face while you try to last hit a creep.
But once you get a few ranks in W you should be fine.

unichan

United States4223 Posts

April 17 2011 18:08 GMT

#12535

whenever i 1v2 with singed i get shit on :<
WHATS YOUR SECRET

Phrost

United States4008 Posts

April 17 2011 18:14 GMT

#12536

On April 18 2011 03:08 unichan wrote:
whenever i 1v2 with singed i get shit on :<
WHATS YOUR SECRET

Run faster, activate ult for maximum CC reduction.

Also make sure you have 3% runspeed from masteries, force of nature, and boots of swiftness for maximum move speed

edit

oh laaaning.... ezpz. Stand near the tower until they push then poison everything and run.

Caphe

Vietnam10817 Posts

April 17 2011 18:23 GMT

#12537

I want to know why at super low elo(1000-1200) people always ban all the tank. Is this the same for mid and high elo? Everygame I play Shen, Rammus, amumu always get baned 90% of the time.
Just play a very good game, while we have a big advantage but manage to throw it away and lost T_T, now i got some sense how ranked suppose to be.

Anyone who just start ranked want to team up?

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

April 17 2011 18:26 GMT

#12538

On April 18 2011 03:23 Caphe wrote:
I want to know why at super low elo(1000-1200) people always ban all the tank. Is this the same for mid and high elo? Everygame I play Shen, Rammus, amumu always get baned 90% of the time.
Just play a very good game, while we have a big advantage but manage to throw it away and lost T_T, now i got some sense how ranked suppose to be.

Anyone who just start ranked want to team up?

No. I been smurfing a lot lately and it's hillarious how at 1200-1400 people absolutely despise tanks.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

April 17 2011 18:43 GMT

#12539

When I first started ranked in EU every single game banned tryn and if you were first pick everyone demanded that you ban tryndamere.

Must be some smurf who loses every second game then plays tryndamere just to make the entire low elo of europe fear tryndamere.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

April 17 2011 18:44 GMT

#12540

Rammus still has strong and early ganks, as well as loads of map control. Definitely a good ban at lower elo because a decent Rammus can own all your lanes.
Shen is similar, because people at low elo usually don't keep in mind that there might be a Shen ulting in and overextend.
Amumu because his ult rapes people who don't position properly.

I personally ban Renekton/Amumu/Shen/Rammus/Nocturne (mixing it up depending on what I feel like) at now 1600 elo. My bans are based upon my previous games: If I see that people can't deal with a certain champ I'll put him on my ban list.
Teemo and Zilean or whatever is a popular ban at higher elo right now are not on that list simply because I don't ever run into problematic Teemos or Zileans.