General Discussion/Off-topic - Page 5

On November 05 2010 04:11 Mogwai wrote:
well, as far as a single point goes, greed outperforms most generic masteries really quickly. For instance, 1 point in Armor gives you 2 armor. Cloth armor is 18 armor for 300 gold which means that 2 armor = ~33 gold, which greed will make in 5.5 minutes, making the decision really easy. Of course it's trickier with something that can't be measured in terms of items like defensive mastery, but I think greed makes more sense than it in at least many situations.

On November 05 2010 02:06 TheYango wrote:

I think the comparison works out worse for her at lower levels, because she has 4 damage spells, while Annie, Kass, and Veigar only have 3. And Annie and Kass max their non-damage spell last.

At level 6, zero AP:

LeBlanc: 230 (Rank 3 Sigil) + 345 (Mimiced Sigil) + 90 (Rank 1 Distortion) + 90 (Rank 1 Chains) = 755

Annie: 170 (Rank 3 Disintegrate) + 145 (Rank 2 Incinerate) + 200 (Rank 1 Tibbers) + 160 (2 Tibbers autoattacks) + 50-100 (Tibbers aura, couldn't find the numbers anywhere) = 725-775

Anivia: 180 (Rank 2 Flash Frost) + 230 (Rank 3 Frostbite) + 240 (3 ticks of Rank 1 Glacial Storm) = 650

Kassadin: 180 (Rank 3 Null Sphere) + 120 (Rank 2 Force Pulse) + 60 (Rank 1 Riftwalk) = 360
(Note Kassadin's output gets way better if there's a non-negligible chase distance, because Riftwalk + Force Pulse drastically improves his ability to chase compared to Annie or Leblanc).

Veigar (assuming 30 AP from Baleful Strike): 188 (Rank 3 Baleful Strike) + 150 (Rank 1 Dark Matter) + 280 (Rank 1 Primordial Burst) = 618

On November 05 2010 05:01 Kingske wrote:
5hit is just full of bravery

On November 05 2010 04:47 Seiuchi wrote:


The problem with that comparison is noticing how much of that comes from Q+R for LeBlanc - you honestly don't even need to hit the other abilities most of the time, since cooldown for R will be done in 20 seconds and your next Q+R hit = dead enemy. It's going to be hotfixed anyways, but that's the part of the comparison that isn't felt by the numbers, the ease of use and CD.

The LeBlanc hotfix should be our very shortly. There might be some tooltip discrepancies until you relog. Like I mentioned in the previous thread, we wanted to solve two primary issues: the strength of Q-R, especially at level 6, and her mana efficiency.

For Q-R the following changes:
Reduced the initial damage on Sigil of Silence to 70/110/150/190/230 from 80/125/170/215/260.
Reduced the cast range on Sigil of Silence to 700 from 750.
Increased the cooldown of Mimic to 40 seconds from 30 seconds at all ranks.
Reduced the damage amplification on Mimic to 10/25/40% from 20/30/40%. (The tooltip was incorrectly stating 20/35/50%).

To address her mana efficiency we made the following changes:
Increased the mana cost on Sigil of Silence to 70/75/80/85/90 from 60/65/70/75/80.
Increased the mana cost on Distortion to 80/90/100/110/120 from 60/70/80/90/100.
Increased the mana cost on Ethereal Chains to 80 from 70 at all ranks.
Reduced her mana per level to 50 from 56.

We made two minor changes in addition to the ones noted above. We reduced her armor per level by 0.5 since melee need to feel she's appropriately squishy, and we reduced the damage of Distortion and Ethereal Chains by 5 at all ranks to preserve Q's position as the highest damage output ability and not adjust skill choices.

We will be carefully monitoring the impact of these changes.