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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
February 04 2011 21:58 GMT
#5961
im always amused by how every melee discussion that starts has a couple people who actually know about the competitive scene and then one person comes in and is like "OMG kirby(or insert other terrible low tier char) in melee so OP. i beat everyone i knew over and over so clearly this is true."

on another note, i really dig pikachu for FFAs in brawl. i think he has a nice skill set for KSing and getting people off your ass or running away. random downBs to KS = trololol.

i also scared away most people in my dorm from 1v1ing me in melee and im not even close to competitive caliber. but FFAs are always fun. i just keep rotating chars so im not always 4stocking them and I troll alot.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 04 2011 22:00 GMT
#5962
On February 05 2011 06:42 Phrost wrote:
Roy was removed because he was the same fucking character as marth. Ike has as significantly different move set and damage/speed

Wat. They shoulda removed marth then. Roy was 100x cooler cuz his b had flames.

I will now shut up about ssb.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
February 04 2011 22:03 GMT
#5963
On February 05 2011 05:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
Did anyone get skins? I just checked and I didnt get anything.



I randomly have the minuteman gangplank skin, so i can confirm that other thread is not a troll thread.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 04 2011 22:06 GMT
#5964
i liked playing low tiers, mr game and watch and mewtwo were prob my favs.

mewtwo's moveset is so fun, but hes awful.
Brees on in
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 22:19:06
February 04 2011 22:09 GMT
#5965
okay i was doing some theorycrafting in LP based on what southlight said in the old thread

guitarasaurus: taric 16.5 base armor + 18 cloth armor + 10 shatter + 8.19 reds + 6.3 blues +12.69 yellows + 12.78 quints
guitarasaurus: 84.46 starting armor
guitarasaurus: you know what
guitarasaurus: with new starting items
guitarasaurus: full armorpage taric + cloth + 5 pots
guitarasaurus: seems like a legit countercarry lane

84.46 armor is what, 45.78% damage reduction? if the carry is running ArPen reds for 13 arpen, you'd still have 42.34% damage reduction. level 1 ashe would hit for 28.656 damage, 57.3 on her first crit. your base heal on imbue is 84 to self. not to mention you've got 1000 HP in the form of pots. what's going to keep you from completely zoning ashe besides jungle presence? farm up some AP and be a healing machine for your team midgame, roll them at 20 minutes while their carry has 3 doran's blades and boots 1.

ofc you could do this with many champs i suppose. nasus with 70 something armor could farm all day freely and mb have more of an impact, not sure.

what do you guys think

o wow i didn't even include 6 from masteries cause i'm dumb. just make his armor 90.46 and ashe's damage goes down to like 27 and 54 crit derp
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
February 04 2011 22:18 GMT
#5966
On February 05 2011 07:09 gtrsrs wrote:
okay i was doing some theorycrafting in LP based on what southlight said in the old thread

guitarasaurus: taric 16.5 base armor + 18 cloth armor + 10 shatter + 8.19 reds + 6.3 blues +12.69 yellows + 12.78 quints
guitarasaurus: 84.46 starting armor
guitarasaurus: you know what
guitarasaurus: with new starting items
guitarasaurus: full armorpage taric + cloth + 5 pots
guitarasaurus: seems like a legit countercarry lane

84.46 armor is what, 45.78% damage reduction? if the carry is running ArPen reds for 13 arpen, you'd still have 42.34% damage reduction. level 1 ashe would hit for 28.656 damage, 57.3 on her first crit. your base heal on imbue is 84 to self. not to mention you've got 1000 HP in the form of pots. what's going to keep you from completely zoning ashe besides jungle presence? farm up some AP and be a healing machine for your team midgame, roll them at 20 minutes while their carry has 3 doran's blades and boots 1.

ofc you could do this with many champs i suppose. nasus with 70 something armor could farm all day freely and mb have more of an impact, not sure.

what do you guys think


With ZERO mana regen you're not going to be able to spam your heal for too long before you need to B or your potions run out, since ashe/insert other carry, outranges you.

And it's not like you're going to be stunning them or using ANY of your other abilities, since you need it for heal.

Horrible run setup IMO, almost as bad as going full out AP runes
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 22:37:19
February 04 2011 22:32 GMT
#5967
taric base mana 255, base regen 0.8/s = 4/5s
auto attack restores mana equal to 7.5% damage dealt, so to a melee creep (what do they have, 13 armor? idr) you'd do 51.3 damage and get back 3.84 mana
EDIT: also forgot meditation mastery etc, you could even take clarity *LOL*

heal cost 80 mana, shatter cost 50 mana, stun cost 95 mana

it takes ashe 4 attacks to do the damage that 1 heal would negate, she'll be taking creep aggro and not last hitting if she does this

don't want to ass with all the math cause AS and CDs aren't listed on the LoL website and i'm not 100% sure on stuff like creep armor and whatnot

if ashe is doing enough damage to burn through 1000 HP worth of potions at only 25 damage per hit, not to mention your base HP regen (1.42/s), and your base HP (468) she's attacking you more than 60 times. good chance you'd be able to get a stun shatter combo off a couple times in there

i dunno this is all theorycrafting i just remember southlight bringing it up and since you can't take a pot with doran's any more i thought it might be more applicable
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 04 2011 22:34 GMT
#5968
Interestingly enough, I face a Taric yesterday who did exactly this.
We were able to burst through him if there were 2-3 of us wailing on only him for the first little while, but then his team had caught up in items and such and they absolutely WRECKED us.
He stacked Archangel's Staves after the laning phase ended....it was just ridiculous.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 04 2011 22:36 GMT
#5969
but ofc taric is 3150 IP and the total cost of all those runes would be (205x9) + (205x9) + (205x9) + (1025x3) = 11750 IP and i don't have that much so i can't really reasonably test this but if someone has 12k IP to burn and they want to try something that looks solid on paper feel free to be my guest for an actual proof of this
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 04 2011 22:45 GMT
#5970
Re: Taric stuff
it rapes certain carries, hard. I had a Taric solo vs. my pantheon once and i felt completely helpless.

On February 05 2011 06:45 gtrsrs wrote:
wait pikachu was considered broken in 64? it's been forever since i played but i thought fox/kirby were the broken ones... pikachu was like next after them but i didn't realize he was the best

We've known Pikachu was #1 in 64 for at least 6 or 7 years now, probably more.

On February 05 2011 06:54 dnastyx wrote:
Pikachu is incredibly broken in 64. Retarded moveset, retarded hitboxes, retarded combo potential, retarded priority, retarded everything.

Kirby also contender for top tier, Fox is okay but not amazing.

you forgot that he's also the only character in the entire game who can escape combos or recover vs. proper edgeguarding because his up B is so strong.

for whatever it's worth, the general consensus on 64 tier list is

Pika
-----
Fox/Kirby
-------
Falcon/Mario
-------
Yoshi
-------
Luigi/Ness/DK/Jiggs
-------
Link/Samus
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
February 04 2011 23:15 GMT
#5971
I actually have a full armor page, though I feel it's worth swapping out blues for mp5s. It's so frigging fun.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 23:30:10
February 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#5972
lol I'm playing with a jungle AP trynd atm
45 AP lvl 1 op
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 04 2011 23:47 GMT
#5973
Don't forget the -2 physical damage, -2 damage from minions, 3 SoS, 48 HP Vet Scars, -4% damage, and maybe 1% dodge or so? Actually you might as well go 3/24/3 for some extra AP, nimbleness and - in this very special case - perseverance.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 04 2011 23:50 GMT
#5974
On February 05 2011 07:45 Mogwai wrote:
Re: Taric stuff
it rapes certain carries, hard. I had a Taric solo vs. my pantheon once and i felt completely helpless.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 06:45 gtrsrs wrote:
wait pikachu was considered broken in 64? it's been forever since i played but i thought fox/kirby were the broken ones... pikachu was like next after them but i didn't realize he was the best

We've known Pikachu was #1 in 64 for at least 6 or 7 years now, probably more.

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 06:54 dnastyx wrote:
Pikachu is incredibly broken in 64. Retarded moveset, retarded hitboxes, retarded combo potential, retarded priority, retarded everything.

Kirby also contender for top tier, Fox is okay but not amazing.

you forgot that he's also the only character in the entire game who can escape combos or recover vs. proper edgeguarding because his up B is so strong.

for whatever it's worth, the general consensus on 64 tier list is

Pika
-----
Fox/Kirby
-------
Falcon/Mario
-------
Yoshi
-------
Luigi/Ness/DK/Jiggs
-------
Link/Samus

I'm surprised Mario's so high, to be honest. Is it just because of his smashes? They're amazing finishers on most chars when they get above like 80% and he's got a couple of good combos/initiations, but I'd still put Yoshi over him... or at like... I don't feel he belongs in Falcon tier lol.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 00:26:25
February 05 2011 00:26 GMT
#5975
On February 05 2011 06:02 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 05:34 Phunkapotamus wrote:
On February 05 2011 05:15 Mogwai wrote:
5MASHCOMBO


shfflaser->shffldair->downB->move of choice depending on percent->Up on D-pad.

laser can't legitimately combo into another aerial. best you can do is to delay a Falco laser long enough that it combos into a shine right when you land. Also, I'm not sure if taunt counts as a hit in a combo unless you pull off the super taunt on Corneria so that Peppy continues your combo with the arwing (though they'd be out of hitstun by the time he got there so it still wouldn't really be a combo).

dair -> utilt -> shine (waveland on platform) -> shine -> firebird is a much more likely suspect of a 5MASHCOMBO that I'd do[/MeleeNerdRant]


Oh dear lord. I knew I'd bait you but I had no idea I'd derail general discussion into a melee discussion. I got some Project M going down @ work later today... desperately trying to relive the awesomeness that was Melee.

Hypothetically speaking, if melee was remade on PC, had more characters, and had excellent netcode, how many of you would play it?

Anyway, on the topic of LoL: I get some really freaky things happening when I play characters that have some sort of displacement ability. For example: Renekton and Nidalee. If I Slice/Pounce respectively, whilst mashing Q or E respectively, i'll get weird stuff happening. The animation of Q/E seems to play as I move through things. Does anyone else have this? It doesn't seem to happen on other people's computers. The machine it happens on uses a Das Keyboard, so maybe there's some weirdness happening with quick input?
"Do a barrel roll"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 05 2011 00:34 GMT
#5976
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/news/148315

Joug/Chrispy/Spud/Numbers/Smash/Yiruru/whoever, let's get on this.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
February 05 2011 00:37 GMT
#5977
On February 05 2011 09:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/news/148315

Joug/Chrispy/Spud/Numbers/Smash/Yiruru/whoever, let's get on this.

loco/regi/feed/saint/oddone/chaox,see u at finals~
i wish riot would give me better ping
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 00:38:41
February 05 2011 00:38 GMT
#5978
LOL easy win. (for tl)
Retvrn to Forvms
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 05 2011 00:38 GMT
#5979
new requirement
average 1500 elo
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
February 05 2011 00:43 GMT
#5980
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