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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
November 11 2010 20:52 GMT
#501
Yeah when i first read it I was like holy shit thats BUCKETS of mana
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
November 11 2010 21:00 GMT
#502
Plus his Q scales off his mana so he'll still get slight damage increase.

Also Pantheon buffs LOL, uh oh OP Panth in every game time again. \o/
Nerf Sona to oblivion please. Dumb ass champion... seriously what were they smoking.
Retvrn to Forvms
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
November 11 2010 21:09 GMT
#503
On November 12 2010 05:40 Mogwai wrote:
Ghost and free mana on an effective 10 second CD sounds REALLY good to me. You have to look at the ability as a whole and how it works with the character, and frankly I think it's gonna be pretty fucking epic on Ryze.


Sigh, I am looking at the ability as a whole. Your core build is boots/AA/ROA/Frozen Heart right? If my rough math is right, at lvl 18 with that core build you have roughly 3800 mana but only 120ish AP. How much more useful is 300 bonus mana on a mana pool that size as opposed to nearly doubling your base AP?

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, you think its going to be epic and I think going to be terrible.

Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
November 11 2010 21:31 GMT
#504
Remember that they also change his other abilities, they will ALSO scale with Mana.
It´s going to be terrible in the 1 shot supernuke playstyle he currently has but it´s exactly what makes him subpar right now.
He is supposed to have a more consistent spell -> damageoutput, thus you need plenty of Mana.

Regarding Irelia, looks like we finally might get a Tank again - depending how exactly her numbers end up. She can close in with Q and should the enemy Team focus her she migitates the CC and "upgrades" her own slow to a stun.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
November 11 2010 22:01 GMT
#505
On November 12 2010 06:31 Unentschieden wrote:
Remember that they also change his other abilities, they will ALSO scale with Mana.


Really? I saw his W was going to scale with total mana, but that was not mentioned at all for either his Q or E.

Also I am interested in if his Ult is retaining in AOE effect.

For reference here are the "confirmed" notes:

* General
o Attack speed per level increased to 3 from 2.112

* Overload
o Cooldown reduced to 7.5/6.5/5.5/4.5/3.5 from 11/10/9/8/7
o Base Damage reduced to 20/40/60/80/100
o Mana cost changed to 75/70/65/55 from 30/65/80/95/110
o Missile speed increased to 1400 from 1200
o AP ratio increased to .5 from .45
o Range increased to 700 from 600.

* Rune Prison
o No longer deals damage per tick and deals 60/95/130/165/200 damage up front (down from 80/120/160/200/240 over the duration)
o AP Ratio changed to a flat .6 from .4/.6/.8/1/1.2 (depending on snare duration)
o Now deals 5% of Ryze’s maximum mana in bonus damage.
o Cast range increased to 650 from 600.

* Spell flux
o AP ratio per hit reduced to .2 from .38
o Mana cost reduced to 60/65/70/75/80 from 60/80/100/120/140.
o Cast range increased to 700 from 625

* Desperate Power
o No longer grants AP, but now grants 20/25/30 % movespeed.
o Duration changed to 4/5/6 from 8.
o Now grants a temporary 100/200/300 mana.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 11 2010 22:03 GMT
#506
His Q already scales with mana. Unless they say otherwise, that's probably not going away.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 11 2010 22:10 GMT
#507
Yea, his Q already adds 10% mana to the damage.

His ult will still do AoE... again, since they're not saying anything about it going away, I think it's safe to assume it's sticking around.

They're also axing the cost on his Q by half at max level, which is really big.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 22:13:27
November 11 2010 22:11 GMT
#508
I forgot about that. I am still a bit underwhelmed tho at bonus mana rather than bonus AP though. 300 extra mana equates to an extra 30 dmg on Q and an extra 15 damage on W. The 105 AP would be an extra ~52 dmg on Q and 126 dmg on W using the the improved ratios.

We shall see though. I could play him and be completely overwhelmed, I just remain skeptical.

Edit- I agree the new Q is GREAT. I also love the new W (Rune Prison). Its just the new Ult I am wary of.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 22:30:07
November 11 2010 22:28 GMT
#509
Doesn't matter that he loses out on AP, you can toss out like 2 E, and 3 Q's in the duration of 1 ult now, and most likely have 2 usage of rune prison within that timeframe as well.
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
November 11 2010 22:56 GMT
#510
Man, with Ryze possibly getting all those changes, he might just be a real powerhouse, but practice will have to show what theorycrafting I'm seeing. Hopefully he'll get a lot more plays though, you nearly don't see him well enough.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 11 2010 23:00 GMT
#511
I must say, AD Kass is lots of fun. Well in that last game our Eve kinda disliked my build, but honestly, I just suck with Kassadin in general (until now). I played him a grand total of two times. I doubt my build was the biggest problem :p
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 23:05:07
November 11 2010 23:04 GMT
#512
[image loading]

http://img834.imageshack.us/f/yourproblem.png/

Well there's your problem.
#1 brave build
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 11 2010 23:14 GMT
#513
i think the last iteration they bumped Q to 15% of mana not 10%
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 11 2010 23:38 GMT
#514
On November 12 2010 08:14 Phrost wrote:
i think the last iteration they bumped Q to 15% of mana not 10%

Played him earlier this week and it was 10% in the tooltip. So unless the tooltip is bugged or it's a TR thing, it's still 10%.
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
November 11 2010 23:40 GMT
#515
On November 12 2010 07:28 Juicyfruit wrote:
Doesn't matter that he loses out on AP, you can toss out like 2 E, and 3 Q's in the duration of 1 ult now, and most likely have 2 usage of rune prison within that timeframe as well.


True but I still would have preferred the longer ult time (8 sec vs 6 sec) and the better bonus damage. These changes certainly make Ryze a better poker. He just wont have the ability the OMGWTFBBQ on a moments notice anymore.

On November 12 2010 08:14 Phrost wrote:
i think the last iteration they bumped Q to 15% of mana not 10%


I took 10% from the wiki since I couldn't access LoL at the time.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 23:53:32
November 11 2010 23:53 GMT
#516
new skin concept art:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 11 2010 23:56 GMT
#517
every time you post new skin concept art phrost, you make my brain hurt
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Jokey665
Profile Joined April 2010
United States138 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 02:08:18
November 12 2010 02:04 GMT
#518
Boots + 5 manamune new ryze. thoughts?

edit: with full mana/lv rune page
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
November 12 2010 02:28 GMT
#519
Was wondering if the aoe from desperate power would deal aoe damage with rune prison since it's all upfront now
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 02:51:12
November 12 2010 02:49 GMT
#520
New topic of discussion:

When to free-farm off an undefended tower, and when to take it?

This applies strictly to top tower, as mid tower and bot tower you always want out of the way ASAP to get map control.
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