On January 05 2011 14:09 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
The cooldown is 2x, it scales retardely well, it's physical damage... I think it's pretty well-balanced. Caitlyn seems like a strong DPS to me.

It's also bugged right now. Moving out of range, into brush, or out of line of sight should not break it but does atm.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

January 05 2011 05:36 GMT

#3423

You're comparing abilities of 2 entirely different characters that have different roles within the game too....

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 05 2011 05:58 GMT

#3424

On January 05 2011 14:11 Phrost wrote:

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It's also bugged right now. Moving out of range, into brush, or out of line of sight should not break it but does atm.

Does riot even have a ptr anymore? How does this bug make it all the way through testing?

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

January 05 2011 05:59 GMT

#3425

On January 05 2011 14:58 Two_DoWn wrote:

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Does riot even have a ptr anymore? How does this bug make it all the way through testing?

when I played competitive tf2 valve at one point broke jumping. jumping. you have it easy

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

January 05 2011 06:41 GMT

#3426

On January 05 2011 13:28 Folca wrote:
This is why Caitlyn seems so.. out of place

Ultimate:
Caitlyn takes time to line up the perfect shot, dealing massive damage to a single target at a huge range. Enemy champions can intercept the bullet for their ally.
Cost: 150 Mana
Physical Damage: 250 / 400 / 550 (+2 per Bonus Attack Damage)
Cooldown: 90 / 75 / 60 seconds
Range: 1400 / 1800 / 2200

One Unit, yes?

Karthus

Ultimate: After channeling for 3 seconds, Karthus deals magic damage to all enemy champions.
Range: Global
Cost: 150 / 175 / 200 Mana
Cooldown: 180 / 150 / 120 seconds
Magic Damage: 250 / 400 / 550 (+0.7 per Ability Power)

Rage ensue.

What you should be comparinig isn't Karth ult, but Lux ult.

On January 05 2011 14:09 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
The cooldown is 2x, it scales retardely well, it's physical damage... I think it's pretty well-balanced. Caitlyn seems like a strong DPS to me.

Then you realize she needs to build AS/AD, has no innate AS boost and has worse mana efficiency than Ashe.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 05 2011 08:17 GMT

#3427

AD makes her ult scale... so when she builds it... she gets more damage...

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 05 2011 08:19 GMT

#3428

I mean the big thing to me is that like, she has a GREAT form of CC + a kinda shitty one that doubles as an escape mechanism that can hop walls. She's already good because of that.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

January 05 2011 08:35 GMT

#3429

On January 05 2011 12:06 ghen wrote:

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How the fuck are you like +80 wins and still matched up against poppies that get 25 cs??

I'm struggling to stay even win/loss and everyone in game both sides have 120+ with correct itemization etc etc.

You're not playing against (or as) Poppy very often, are you? I don't think I ever got past 70 cs on Poppy. And in some games I spend quite a bit of time farming... Poppy doesn't build AD or AS (aside from Triforce maybe), so farming by autoattacking minions takes forever. Her spells don't even 1 shot minions most of the time (a huge part of her damage output is because of DFG and her ult) and they are single target.
Earlygame Poppy often camps a brush in the duo lane or is forced off the minions by ranged champions. Midgame she is roaming a lot. You really have a hard time farming as Poppy.

Jougen

122 Posts

January 05 2011 09:36 GMT

#3430

#1 karthus in action again. Also, TL representing!

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bosiddon

308 Posts

January 05 2011 10:37 GMT

#3431

dsc > rambo

Chrispy

Canada5878 Posts

January 05 2011 11:57 GMT

#3432

Pdiz best Karthus. #1.

Pdiz come join TL we'll start a LoL fanclub for you.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

January 05 2011 13:11 GMT

#3433

Pant passive blocks cait ulti, lol.

oberon

United States1320 Posts

January 05 2011 13:14 GMT

#3434

On January 05 2011 22:11 JackDino wrote:
Pant passive blocks cait ulti, lol.

Nevermind. "After attacking or casting spells 4 times, Pantheon will block the next incoming basic attack."

ghen

United States1356 Posts

January 05 2011 13:35 GMT

#3435

On January 05 2011 22:14 oberon wrote:

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Nevermind. "After attacking or casting spells 4 times, Pantheon will block the next incoming basic attack."

Panth's passive can't even block urgot's Q. I'm always fighting pantheons because I'm the only one on the team that can actually go 0/0/0 against him in most groups

(unless he's a baddie of course)

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

January 05 2011 13:51 GMT

#3436

Panth's passive blocks mf's double up too, but doesn't block his spear. Dunno what's the rule behind it, since caitlyn's ult doesnt apply onhit effects (or does it?)

-Kato-

Spain1146 Posts

January 05 2011 14:32 GMT

#3437

It does, it applies on-hit effects.

Norway

United States341 Posts

January 05 2011 15:05 GMT

#3438

Was playing her yesterday and raged when a panth with 100 hp ran away and his passive blocked my ult... Had i known that I would have just tried to chase him down and tower dive.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

January 05 2011 15:11 GMT

#3439

Damn if I were that soraka I would have stacked AP just to troll you pdiz and use ulti whenever you did with my 1.3 AP scaling vs 0.7 SUP

Scorcher2k

United States802 Posts

January 05 2011 15:19 GMT

#3440

It feels like they designed Caitlyn to just become useless late game.
-Her Q just doesn't scale well enough
-Her traps are extremely niche because you can only lay 2 of them down (they are also visible)
-Her net launcher doesn't put you over some walls that you would definitely have the distance for
-Her ult is weaker than lux's ult but only hits one target, and shes a mana hungry whore.

They could easily increase the scaling on her Q & increase the amount of damage removed from passing through targets to balance it. The rest of the stuff I'm just now sure about...