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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On December 17 2010 22:46 spinesheath wrote: If Eve has any issues, it's not her ability to jungle. She's decent at it, and not even very slow. Tbh right now she is viable, you just have to be smart and know how to gank and escape properly. Even in teamfights once she buys a couple HoGs she can initiate, run away and then hop in again. Her damage is fine and so is her survivability but a proper eve is a threat all game long. | ||
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 18 2010 00:21 Shikyo wrote: Well... it's pretty difficult. I play Eve totally the wrong way as well, just farming most of the time with some ganks in between. Need to aim for like 7-10 minion kills per minute to get BR and Malady before like 25 minutes or so. Her ulti gives her decent survivability assuming you can burst someone down at the start of a fight. If I can't farm like crazy, I just start building tank after Bloodrazor. I don't get Sheen etc. because I need to build pure tank after those 2 items, and with 2.5 aspd and the nice mpen from Malady your razors do all the dps you need... the Sheen is reduced by armor and so it isn't really significant at all. 175-250 minion kills in 25 minutes as a jungler? Are we playing the same game? And the BR procs aren't reduced by MRes? Ravage reduces both Armor and MRes, APen runes > MPen runes, and Malady costs 2k which could be some other pysical damage increasing item. Sheen certainly is significant... On December 18 2010 00:25 r33k wrote: Tbh right now she is viable, you just have to be smart and know how to gank and escape properly. Even in teamfights once she buys a couple HoGs she can initiate, run away and then hop in again. Her damage is fine and so is her survivability but a proper eve is a threat all game long. Yeah that's what I do. Gank at lvl 1 to remind my enemies that I am dangerous, then building as tanky as needed, then grabbing damage with Triforce. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
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rapistzerg
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On December 18 2010 00:52 rapistzerg wrote: I just found out there are lvl 3 xmas quints with same stats as normal and they cost 25% less. 4, I think. Mpen, Apen, flat HP, and movespeed. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
2) Bloodrazor scales off a % of the enemy health, giving Malady/BR natural scaling power. 3) Triforce gives Evelynn 159 extra damage at level 18 every 2 seconds assuming ideal cast/attack timing and a whole bunch of stats. Bloodrazor gives Evelynn 4% of their health every attack, which even with a measly 1 attack per second outdoes the triforce damage when enemies have 2000 health. In addition, Wriggles + Triforce costs almost as much as Malady/BR. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 18 2010 00:40 spinesheath wrote: 175-250 minion kills in 25 minutes as a jungler? Are we playing the same game? And the BR procs aren't reduced by MRes? Ravage reduces both Armor and MRes, APen runes > MPen runes, and Malady costs 2k which could be some other pysical damage increasing item. Sheen certainly is significant... Yeah that's what I do. Gank at lvl 1 to remind my enemies that I am dangerous, then building as tanky as needed, then grabbing damage with Triforce. BR procs are reduced by Mres. I don't get AP or Mpen runes, I get flat dmg. 175 minion kills is if you don't get any kills, one kill equals like 15 minion kills so if you gank 4 times, you only need 115 minion kills by 25 min, which is really easy to get. Sometimes I grab a chainmail / negatron earlier if it's necessary, and then build something like Thornmail/FoN -> Frozen Heart or Quicksilver or something(high resistances with low hp + how her passive works = she can heal herself to almost full every time your team kills someone) I really dont think Sheen is significant in the end, it's like... 60 dmg hit -> 110 dmg hit(with some armor)? I attack at 2.5 aspd and I really don't think it matters to have an attack deal like 80 extra dmg every 7 attacks or so. Malady adds insane amounts of DPS to your Bloodrazor and gives you 2.5 aspd with ulti. On December 18 2010 00:55 Tooplark wrote: 1) Mres is more difficult and expensive to itemise for, and 2) Bloodrazor scales off a % of the enemy health, giving Malady/BR natural scaling power. 3) Triforce gives Evelynn 159 extra damage at level 18 every 2 seconds assuming ideal cast/attack timing and a whole bunch of stats. Bloodrazor gives Evelynn 4% of their health every attack, which even with a measly 1 attack per second outdoes the triforce damage when enemies have 2000 health. In addition, Wriggles + Triforce costs almost as much as Malady/BR. And thank you for this! "Almost as much" is still a bit misleading - the difference is 30 gold. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 18 2010 00:51 r33k wrote: If you max Q first try going sheen>ghostblade>phage inserting tanking items when needed, the double ghost is really strong and the crits make for some good healing from wriggles. I usually go something like Q W Q E W, R > W > E > Q. I am thinking about putting more focus on E after the first 2 levels in Q. My intention is obviously to have stronger ganks/burst, at the expense of jungling speed/DPS, but I should have Wriggles by then and usually don't want to hog blue buff all the time. Wriggles: Lifesteal. Free ward. With BR/Malady you have to chug potions all game long or rely on a steady stream of kills which would indicate a low level game to me... Actually I almost never get to finish my Triforce. Even Sheen isn't always there, as I opt for Phage first in many cases. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
And MR is the easiest stat to itemize for. 2 negatrons and you go from instagibbed to fine vs a farmed anivia. As for the above post, tbh after seeing how effective reginald's eve build (which took only 1 rank in e, opened as a counterjungler and build zeal->ghostblade/phage picking parts as needed) or his brother's (sheen/brutalizer into hog spam into ghostblade) I became a believer in the power of her hate spike. I don't even own her but the dps I saw them do was really consistent. Can hate spike crit by chance? Because they were critting like 4 out of 5 autoattacks, with standard rune pages. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On December 18 2010 00:26 Brambled wrote: Anyone plan on writing up a Vlad guide anytime soon? i have some quick tips that might just be enough: build magicpen first, it is really scary with the allready high dmg from maxed Q. In the lane, if you go for the kill, build up your E before you attack. dont use R as a finisher, you have to use it as the first skill without wasting it. if you are getting focused, use W first, nuke, use Zhonyas, nuke nuke, use W again. It is very annoying. Do not build Hp items like warmongs, its useless and HP stacking does not make anyone tanky at all. If you need defences, go for resists. and most important: W for escapes ONLY. Vlad is hard to gank/kill with his W up, people are annoyed by that and you WILL end up with shen, panth, TF porting ontop of you, if you use it to harass or other useless stuff. Also, its basically a free Xin ultimate on you for the enemy, if you use it because it looks funny. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On December 18 2010 01:02 Shikyo wrote: Her ulti gives all the MS you should need and I use Lizard almost all the time so I'd rather just have almost double the DPS instead. Don't hog buffs on characters that get instagibbed, especially on a stealth champion that gets owned by unseen oracles. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Personally I've been going BR--> tank because I find it too difficult to survive teamfights if I try to build another DPS item...should I building Malady after and then tank items? Also I find building Mercs over Mobility makes ganking suck...gonna have to fiddle with a few builds and see what works for me. That Wriggle's-->Triforce is intriguing though I can definitely see how BR/Mal lets you dish out more damage. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 18 2010 01:02 Shikyo wrote: Her ulti gives all the MS you should need and I use Lizard almost all the time so I'd rather just have almost double the DPS instead. I don't see Eve as being a good candidate for red buff past early/midgame. Certainly in a solo queue situation where you can't really rely on your teammates, but in any situation with somewhat dependable teammates, there's probably a better person to defer Lizard buff to. | ||
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ManBearPig
Belgium207 Posts
Sooo what do u guys think about runes,skill build, item builds and jungle paths on mundo? | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
boots>sv>emblem of valor into either tanky items if needed or starks into more tankyness. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Doran's shield and pot Harass and zone your opponents for the next 5 levels or so - if you're fighting a nuker harass really hard early but back off as their spells begin to catch up in damage; against ranged deeps do the opposite. By level 6 most enemy champs will get a powerful ultimate; yours just lets you stay in lane forever. Do that. Farmfarmfarm. Try to save ult for escaping jungle ganks. If you make it to 3k gold go back and buy a warmogs. Seriously. Otherwise, buy a combination of Spirit Visage Boots Mogs pieces and HoG. Ideally with Mundo you can stay solo top until level 11, because your ult really isn't much more than a weak ghost and a lanestaying tool - when you get it it doens't heal for much more than 300 health. Anyways, by the time you're done being a greedy MUNDO, you should have Warmogs, Spirit Visage, Boots and either chainmail or neg cloak as appropriate to their team. This is pretty much all you need for tank items. Next item (imoimoimo) is ZEAL. Movespeed, attackspeed, and crit are exactly what someone with massive base damage needs. I'm still up in the air about one or two. Either way, game's generally over very soon; if you're fed or the game goes late work on IE, then upgrade zeal to PD, then upgrade chainmail/neg cloak into Randuins/Atmas/QSS/FoN. Mundo's very situational and game dependent so don't take this as gospel. For runes I run armpen/armor/mres/flathp or ms. I also don't jungle mundo ever because Olaf is so much better in pretty much every respect. | ||
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