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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 17 2010 15:22 GMT
#2401
Internet crapped out. Still can't connect back onto the server.

Apologies to all those in the ARAM.
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 17 2010 15:25 GMT
#2402
On December 17 2010 22:46 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 22:39 Abenson wrote:
Man...
If Neo and GuardsmenBob had chosen the other doran item, jungle eve might become viable O_O
lots of spellvamp on Q will def. help on jungling... I think

If Eve has any issues, it's not her ability to jungle. She's decent at it, and not even very slow.

Tbh right now she is viable, you just have to be smart and know how to gank and escape properly. Even in teamfights once she buys a couple HoGs she can initiate, run away and then hop in again. Her damage is fine and so is her survivability but a proper eve is a threat all game long.
Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
December 17 2010 15:26 GMT
#2403
Anyone plan on writing up a Vlad guide anytime soon?
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 17 2010 15:37 GMT
#2404
Check the old thread, since he barely got changed after the first 2 weeks the basics are still the same.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 17 2010 15:40 GMT
#2405
On December 18 2010 00:21 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 23:07 spinesheath wrote:
I go for Wriggles/Mercs on Eve, Hog/Negatron as I see fit, and then aiming for Triforce. I don't see how you can pull off BR and Malady before any tank items. Without tank items, you can only ambush and burst people, you can't stay in teamfights for very long. So I don't see why you would go BR instead of Sheen/Triforce.

Sorakabot goes Razor/Mobility/Triforce as far as I know. Smite/Revive. I have yet to see an Eve use her revive and then pull off a successful gank. If he's only using it to jungle then... it's soo bad.
Lategame, revive obviously doesn't do much on Eve unless your enemies forget about it and don't retreat appropriately.

Well... it's pretty difficult. I play Eve totally the wrong way as well, just farming most of the time with some ganks in between. Need to aim for like 7-10 minion kills per minute to get BR and Malady before like 25 minutes or so. Her ulti gives her decent survivability assuming you can burst someone down at the start of a fight. If I can't farm like crazy, I just start building tank after Bloodrazor.

I don't get Sheen etc. because I need to build pure tank after those 2 items, and with 2.5 aspd and the nice mpen from Malady your razors do all the dps you need... the Sheen is reduced by armor and so it isn't really significant at all.

175-250 minion kills in 25 minutes as a jungler? Are we playing the same game?

And the BR procs aren't reduced by MRes? Ravage reduces both Armor and MRes, APen runes > MPen runes, and Malady costs 2k which could be some other pysical damage increasing item.
Sheen certainly is significant...

On December 18 2010 00:25 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 22:46 spinesheath wrote:
On December 17 2010 22:39 Abenson wrote:
Man...
If Neo and GuardsmenBob had chosen the other doran item, jungle eve might become viable O_O
lots of spellvamp on Q will def. help on jungling... I think

If Eve has any issues, it's not her ability to jungle. She's decent at it, and not even very slow.

Tbh right now she is viable, you just have to be smart and know how to gank and escape properly. Even in teamfights once she buys a couple HoGs she can initiate, run away and then hop in again. Her damage is fine and so is her survivability but a proper eve is a threat all game long.

Yeah that's what I do. Gank at lvl 1 to remind my enemies that I am dangerous, then building as tanky as needed, then grabbing damage with Triforce.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 17 2010 15:51 GMT
#2406
If you max Q first try going sheen>ghostblade>phage inserting tanking items when needed, the double ghost is really strong and the crits make for some good healing from wriggles.
rapistzerg
Profile Joined August 2009
37 Posts
December 17 2010 15:52 GMT
#2407
I just found out there are lvl 3 xmas quints with same stats as normal and they cost 25% less.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
December 17 2010 15:55 GMT
#2408
On December 18 2010 00:52 rapistzerg wrote:
I just found out there are lvl 3 xmas quints with same stats as normal and they cost 25% less.

4, I think. Mpen, Apen, flat HP, and movespeed.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
December 17 2010 15:55 GMT
#2409
1) Mres is more difficult and expensive to itemise for, and
2) Bloodrazor scales off a % of the enemy health, giving Malady/BR natural scaling power.
3) Triforce gives Evelynn 159 extra damage at level 18 every 2 seconds assuming ideal cast/attack timing and a whole bunch of stats. Bloodrazor gives Evelynn 4% of their health every attack, which even with a measly 1 attack per second outdoes the triforce damage when enemies have 2000 health.
In addition, Wriggles + Triforce costs almost as much as Malady/BR.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 16:00:25
December 17 2010 15:57 GMT
#2410
On December 18 2010 00:40 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 00:21 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2010 23:07 spinesheath wrote:
I go for Wriggles/Mercs on Eve, Hog/Negatron as I see fit, and then aiming for Triforce. I don't see how you can pull off BR and Malady before any tank items. Without tank items, you can only ambush and burst people, you can't stay in teamfights for very long. So I don't see why you would go BR instead of Sheen/Triforce.

Sorakabot goes Razor/Mobility/Triforce as far as I know. Smite/Revive. I have yet to see an Eve use her revive and then pull off a successful gank. If he's only using it to jungle then... it's soo bad.
Lategame, revive obviously doesn't do much on Eve unless your enemies forget about it and don't retreat appropriately.

Well... it's pretty difficult. I play Eve totally the wrong way as well, just farming most of the time with some ganks in between. Need to aim for like 7-10 minion kills per minute to get BR and Malady before like 25 minutes or so. Her ulti gives her decent survivability assuming you can burst someone down at the start of a fight. If I can't farm like crazy, I just start building tank after Bloodrazor.

I don't get Sheen etc. because I need to build pure tank after those 2 items, and with 2.5 aspd and the nice mpen from Malady your razors do all the dps you need... the Sheen is reduced by armor and so it isn't really significant at all.

175-250 minion kills in 25 minutes as a jungler? Are we playing the same game?

And the BR procs aren't reduced by MRes? Ravage reduces both Armor and MRes, APen runes > MPen runes, and Malady costs 2k which could be some other pysical damage increasing item.
Sheen certainly is significant...

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 00:25 r33k wrote:
On December 17 2010 22:46 spinesheath wrote:
On December 17 2010 22:39 Abenson wrote:
Man...
If Neo and GuardsmenBob had chosen the other doran item, jungle eve might become viable O_O
lots of spellvamp on Q will def. help on jungling... I think

If Eve has any issues, it's not her ability to jungle. She's decent at it, and not even very slow.

Tbh right now she is viable, you just have to be smart and know how to gank and escape properly. Even in teamfights once she buys a couple HoGs she can initiate, run away and then hop in again. Her damage is fine and so is her survivability but a proper eve is a threat all game long.

Yeah that's what I do. Gank at lvl 1 to remind my enemies that I am dangerous, then building as tanky as needed, then grabbing damage with Triforce.

BR procs are reduced by Mres. I don't get AP or Mpen runes, I get flat dmg.

175 minion kills is if you don't get any kills, one kill equals like 15 minion kills so if you gank 4 times, you only need 115 minion kills by 25 min, which is really easy to get.

Sometimes I grab a chainmail / negatron earlier if it's necessary, and then build something like Thornmail/FoN -> Frozen Heart or Quicksilver or something(high resistances with low hp + how her passive works = she can heal herself to almost full every time your team kills someone)

I really dont think Sheen is significant in the end, it's like... 60 dmg hit -> 110 dmg hit(with some armor)? I attack at 2.5 aspd and I really don't think it matters to have an attack deal like 80 extra dmg every 7 attacks or so. Malady adds insane amounts of DPS to your Bloodrazor and gives you 2.5 aspd with ulti.

On December 18 2010 00:55 Tooplark wrote:
1) Mres is more difficult and expensive to itemise for, and
2) Bloodrazor scales off a % of the enemy health, giving Malady/BR natural scaling power.
3) Triforce gives Evelynn 159 extra damage at level 18 every 2 seconds assuming ideal cast/attack timing and a whole bunch of stats. Bloodrazor gives Evelynn 4% of their health every attack, which even with a measly 1 attack per second outdoes the triforce damage when enemies have 2000 health.
In addition, Wriggles + Triforce costs almost as much as Malady/BR.

And thank you for this! "Almost as much" is still a bit misleading - the difference is 30 gold.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 16:05:16
December 17 2010 15:58 GMT
#2411
On December 18 2010 00:51 r33k wrote:
If you max Q first try going sheen>ghostblade>phage inserting tanking items when needed, the double ghost is really strong and the crits make for some good healing from wriggles.

I usually go something like Q W Q E W, R > W > E > Q. I am thinking about putting more focus on E after the first 2 levels in Q. My intention is obviously to have stronger ganks/burst, at the expense of jungling speed/DPS, but I should have Wriggles by then and usually don't want to hog blue buff all the time.


Wriggles: Lifesteal. Free ward. With BR/Malady you have to chug potions all game long or rely on a steady stream of kills which would indicate a low level game to me...
Actually I almost never get to finish my Triforce. Even Sheen isn't always there, as I opt for Phage first in many cases.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 16:06:11
December 17 2010 16:00 GMT
#2412
You didn't take into consideration the stat bonuses especially some that are key like the +ms and slow on triforce.

And MR is the easiest stat to itemize for. 2 negatrons and you go from instagibbed to fine vs a farmed anivia.

As for the above post, tbh after seeing how effective reginald's eve build (which took only 1 rank in e, opened as a counterjungler and build zeal->ghostblade/phage picking parts as needed) or his brother's (sheen/brutalizer into hog spam into ghostblade) I became a believer in the power of her hate spike. I don't even own her but the dps I saw them do was really consistent. Can hate spike crit by chance? Because they were critting like 4 out of 5 autoattacks, with standard rune pages.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 16:04:39
December 17 2010 16:02 GMT
#2413
Her ulti gives all the MS you should need and I use Lizard almost all the time so I'd rather just have almost double the DPS instead.
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 17 2010 16:03 GMT
#2414
On December 18 2010 00:26 Brambled wrote:
Anyone plan on writing up a Vlad guide anytime soon?



i have some quick tips that might just be enough:

build magicpen first, it is really scary with the allready high dmg from maxed Q.
In the lane, if you go for the kill, build up your E before you attack.
dont use R as a finisher, you have to use it as the first skill without wasting it.
if you are getting focused, use W first, nuke, use Zhonyas, nuke nuke, use W again. It is very annoying.
Do not build Hp items like warmongs, its useless and HP stacking does not make anyone tanky at all. If you need defences, go for resists.

and most important:

W for escapes ONLY.


Vlad is hard to gank/kill with his W up, people are annoyed by that and you WILL end up with shen, panth, TF porting ontop of you, if you use it to harass or other useless stuff.
Also, its basically a free Xin ultimate on you for the enemy, if you use it because it looks funny.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 17 2010 16:07 GMT
#2415
On December 18 2010 01:02 Shikyo wrote:
Her ulti gives all the MS you should need and I use Lizard almost all the time so I'd rather just have almost double the DPS instead.

Don't hog buffs on characters that get instagibbed, especially on a stealth champion that gets owned by unseen oracles.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 17 2010 17:45 GMT
#2416
So what is the final consensus on Eve?
Personally I've been going BR--> tank because I find it too difficult to survive teamfights if I try to build another DPS item...should I building Malady after and then tank items?
Also I find building Mercs over Mobility makes ganking suck...gonna have to fiddle with a few builds and see what works for me.
That Wriggle's-->Triforce is intriguing though I can definitely see how BR/Mal lets you dish out more damage.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 17 2010 17:50 GMT
#2417
On December 18 2010 01:02 Shikyo wrote:
Her ulti gives all the MS you should need and I use Lizard almost all the time so I'd rather just have almost double the DPS instead.

I don't see Eve as being a good candidate for red buff past early/midgame. Certainly in a solo queue situation where you can't really rely on your teammates, but in any situation with somewhat dependable teammates, there's probably a better person to defer Lizard buff to.
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ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
December 17 2010 17:52 GMT
#2418
Won a close game last night where the enemy team was getting carried by a jungle mundo. Made me wanna try him out. I think his build looked something like razor (turned into BR really late game) boots visage warmogs atmas starks FoN and he was running smite ghost

Sooo what do u guys think about runes,skill build, item builds and jungle paths on mundo?
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 17 2010 18:01 GMT
#2419
Jungle mundo's bravest build: open greenpot+3 potions+ward, go to their red with your team and either ward red or wraiths, go back to your red and do cleaver/smite it, proceed by either ganking their mid or their jungler.

boots>sv>emblem of valor into either tanky items if needed or starks into more tankyness.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
December 17 2010 18:33 GMT
#2420
RUGFEEDER'S PRO MUNDO:
Doran's shield and pot
Harass and zone your opponents for the next 5 levels or so - if you're fighting a nuker harass really hard early but back off as their spells begin to catch up in damage; against ranged deeps do the opposite.
By level 6 most enemy champs will get a powerful ultimate; yours just lets you stay in lane forever. Do that. Farmfarmfarm. Try to save ult for escaping jungle ganks.
If you make it to 3k gold go back and buy a warmogs. Seriously. Otherwise, buy a combination of Spirit Visage Boots Mogs pieces and HoG. Ideally with Mundo you can stay solo top until level 11, because your ult really isn't much more than a weak ghost and a lanestaying tool - when you get it it doens't heal for much more than 300 health. Anyways, by the time you're done being a greedy MUNDO, you should have Warmogs, Spirit Visage, Boots and either chainmail or neg cloak as appropriate to their team. This is pretty much all you need for tank items. Next item (imoimoimo) is ZEAL. Movespeed, attackspeed, and crit are exactly what someone with massive base damage needs. I'm still up in the air about one or two. Either way, game's generally over very soon; if you're fed or the game goes late work on IE, then upgrade zeal to PD, then upgrade chainmail/neg cloak into Randuins/Atmas/QSS/FoN. Mundo's very situational and game dependent so don't take this as gospel. For runes I run armpen/armor/mres/flathp or ms. I also don't jungle mundo ever because Olaf is so much better in pretty much every respect.
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