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scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
July 15 2011 00:28 GMT
#21141
Dudes, any jungling tips for a new player? Still not reached level 30 but I thought I'd try out jungling as Amumu. Particularly need advice when dude's come and steal my blue. My team never seems to care and I don't really know how to recover when this happens.
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 15 2011 00:31 GMT
#21142
On July 15 2011 09:28 scottyyy wrote:
Dudes, any jungling tips for a new player? Still not reached level 30 but I thought I'd try out jungling as Amumu. Particularly need advice when dude's come and steal my blue. My team never seems to care and I don't really know how to recover when this happens.

I'm not a great player, but when teams bring players off lanes to counter jungle they're sacrificing exp and gold in lane to mess with your route.

Start at a safer place and don't be overeager, go back to heal if your alternate route takes you lower in health than the one that was disrupted by counter jungling. You'll be less behind since they denied themselves xp by coming off lane to counter.

Of course the best response is to get people on your team to come for kills, but below 30 that's not always easy to do.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 15 2011 00:41 GMT
#21143
Epic quadra Chrispy. Ez es #1!!
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#21144
On July 15 2011 09:28 scottyyy wrote:
Dudes, any jungling tips for a new player? Still not reached level 30 but I thought I'd try out jungling as Amumu. Particularly need advice when dude's come and steal my blue. My team never seems to care and I don't really know how to recover when this happens.


blue stolen -> wraiths -> minigolems -> wolves -> clear blue if little lizards left over -> red, u may have to b before doing red.

stealing their blue is possible, but i wouldnt recommend unless u have a ward+cv on your team, mostly just kus mumu gets a bit dicey @ blue when he doesnt get a leash.

@ hyperion, counterjungling for first buff is actually very common in higher levels of play and typically most teams can get it with minimal to no loss of xp/gold. Its all a matter of game by game basis and how well the teams stack up in a lvl 1 fight as to whether or not its worth defending. Sometimes the enemy team has blitz, cow, udyr and taric and you spend your lvl 1 just twiddling ur fingers in lane kus theres not a thing u can do if they invade.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 15 2011 00:48 GMT
#21145
On July 15 2011 09:44 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 09:28 scottyyy wrote:
Dudes, any jungling tips for a new player? Still not reached level 30 but I thought I'd try out jungling as Amumu. Particularly need advice when dude's come and steal my blue. My team never seems to care and I don't really know how to recover when this happens.


@ hyperion, counterjungling for first buff is actually very common in higher levels of play and typically most teams can get it with minimal to no loss of xp/gold. Its all a matter of game by game basis and how well the teams stack up in a lvl 1 fight as to whether or not its worth defending. Sometimes the enemy team has blitz, cow, udyr and taric and you spend your lvl 1 just twiddling ur fingers in lane kus theres not a thing u can do if they invade.

Ya, that's definitely true that some teams make the blue not worth defending. Fiddle's fear is worst in level 1 teamfight. Still, if you can't get people to come defend (as is his case in lower level games), we both agree it's better just to pull back/start somewhere else.

Is it that little of a loss in XP? If they bring 4 or 5 to counter and your team goes to their respective lanes, they might grab a buff but your top and mid lanes are likely going to be a level ahead at that point....
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 00:54:25
July 15 2011 00:53 GMT
#21146
On July 15 2011 09:48 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Is it that little of a loss in XP? If they bring 4 or 5 to counter and your team goes to their respective lanes, they might grab a buff but your top and mid lanes are likely going to be a level ahead at that point....

They'll only likely get 2-3 creeps ahead mid, and at most 4-5 top. It doesn't take 30 seconds to get back top, and nobody has the pushing power level 1 to push the first wave into tower that fast. You'll have creep control for sure, but it'll even out once they reset the lane (though before then they will probably fall further behind in CS, but not XP).
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 00:59:39
July 15 2011 00:55 GMT
#21147
On July 15 2011 09:48 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 09:44 barbsq wrote:
On July 15 2011 09:28 scottyyy wrote:
Dudes, any jungling tips for a new player? Still not reached level 30 but I thought I'd try out jungling as Amumu. Particularly need advice when dude's come and steal my blue. My team never seems to care and I don't really know how to recover when this happens.


@ hyperion, counterjungling for first buff is actually very common in higher levels of play and typically most teams can get it with minimal to no loss of xp/gold. Its all a matter of game by game basis and how well the teams stack up in a lvl 1 fight as to whether or not its worth defending. Sometimes the enemy team has blitz, cow, udyr and taric and you spend your lvl 1 just twiddling ur fingers in lane kus theres not a thing u can do if they invade.

Ya, that's definitely true that some teams make the blue not worth defending. Fiddle's fear is worst in level 1 teamfight. Still, if you can't get people to come defend (as is his case in lower level games), we both agree it's better just to pull back/start somewhere else.

Is it that little of a loss in XP? If they bring 4 or 5 to counter and your team goes to their respective lanes, they might grab a buff but your top and mid lanes are likely going to be a level ahead at that point....


the only situation where xp loss comes into play is when the purple team tries to steal bottom blue, and whoever is top has to trek all the way up and whoever is already top can actually make it to lvl 2-3 be4 they get there. typically we send the top player ahead of time once we've secured the blue already if we're in that position. Otherwise, bot may miss ~1-2 creeps and mid shouldnt miss any xp, tho possibly 1-2 gold, but thats not significant.

edit: also the reverse isnt quite true, due to the nature of the split xp, bascially A) 1 of the 2 players bot is gonna be support and will inevitably leave the lane a few times, cushioning any xp loss. B) creep flow will actually have more of an effect on who reaches lvl 6 first than missing 4-5 creeps. Mid should also never miss any xp.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 15 2011 01:13 GMT
#21148
K so I recorded the first commentary for a pretty good Dyrus solo queue game, I would appreciate if you guys checked it out and left some comments. Something is off with the mic because I sound really weird, I have to find what it is and fix that.

Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
July 15 2011 01:25 GMT
#21149
is it just me or does anyone else hate the current "best" laning set up?

Top : farmbot/apcarry
Mid: apcarry
bot: support/adcarry
jungle: depends on what top lane chose to be

i miss messing up top lane with trist
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
naonao
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States847 Posts
July 15 2011 01:31 GMT
#21150
So if this a hack thats been going around? or something just go terribly wrong?

[image loading]
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
July 15 2011 01:34 GMT
#21151
On July 15 2011 10:31 naonao wrote:
So if this a hack thats been going around? or something just go terribly wrong?

[image loading]


I posted this before, but it is possible to random last ban.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 15 2011 01:46 GMT
#21152
I posted this before, but it is possible to random last ban.


I never quite understood this...and Phreak has commented that it is impossible to abuse this intentionally...

Is that because the only way to get a champ is to let time run out and random a champ? Are people really risking randoming a champion that would be horrible for a team in order to get a banned one as often as I've heard about?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 15 2011 02:06 GMT
#21153
On July 15 2011 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
I posted this before, but it is possible to random last ban.


I never quite understood this...and Phreak has commented that it is impossible to abuse this intentionally...


seriously doubt he said this
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 15 2011 02:11 GMT
#21154
On July 15 2011 11:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I posted this before, but it is possible to random last ban.


I never quite understood this...and Phreak has commented that it is impossible to abuse this intentionally...


seriously doubt he said this

Phreak was commenting on the tibbers bug. I don't think the banned bug is easy to exploit.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
July 15 2011 02:24 GMT
#21155
Was there just a hotfix or anything? Cause I just had LoL trying to get itself new access rights on my comp... usually only happens after an update.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
July 15 2011 02:35 GMT
#21156
if you random because you afk or w/e during champion select you can sometimes get a banned champion
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 15 2011 02:42 GMT
#21157
Did I miss some ESL matches? I see the stream on and it's offline. Rainman said they had games later on tonight I really hope I didn't miss anything good.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 02:45:27
July 15 2011 02:43 GMT
#21158
On July 15 2011 11:42 r33k wrote:
Did I miss some ESL matches? I see the stream on and it's offline. Rainman said they had games later on tonight I really hope I didn't miss anything good.

TSM v RS it wasn't very good games.
+ Show Spoiler +
TSM won 2-0


A decent series will be tomorrow when CLG pays against unR. Then the qualifying tournament for gamescon is this weekend as well.
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
July 15 2011 02:44 GMT
#21159
If enemy takes double stun lane bot, you just pick sona/soraka/taric and depending on how strong the enemy lane is either play very safe or just trade hits and win the lane from your sustain. Nearly all the super strong non carry/support lanes are awful lategame.

You're a lot better off running something like Cait/Taric than Annie/Taric.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 15 2011 02:56 GMT
#21160
On July 15 2011 11:11 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 11:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 15 2011 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I posted this before, but it is possible to random last ban.


I never quite understood this...and Phreak has commented that it is impossible to abuse this intentionally...


seriously doubt he said this

Phreak was commenting on the tibbers bug. I don't think the banned bug is easy to exploit.


My mistake.
It wasn't Phreak, but
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=11390874#post11390874
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